Card coaching search rumors and speculation

[Buckybird]

It would be interesting to know WHY Bieniemy is rejecting the Cardinals.

Got to be the personnel & possibly the quick hook of Wilks.

It’s a tough situation personnel wise & when rumors of ownership question marks start its has an effect.

 

[GuernseyCard]

McCarthy and Bieniemy by passing on Cardinals interviews in semi public fashion, are saying we don't want anything to do with organization now or in the future. These are not small things.

Perhaps "now" but you, or anyone else, can't speak to the "future".

 

[GuernseyCard]

Got to be the personnel & possibly the quick hook of Wilks.

It’s a tough situation personnel wise & when rumors of ownership question marks start its has an effect.

Or... perhaps, four "meet-and-greet" in 24hrs when you are preparing for the playoffs is more than enough.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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#Chiefs OC Eric Bienemy is set to interview with two teams today -- #Jets and #Bucs. He’ll do his #Dolphins interview tomorrow. The #Bengals interview is Friday, following Vance Joseph’s today. He’s elected to not take the #AZCardinals interview. Four is plenty.

Welp that’s the first bad sign. How come we never read of coaching candidates turning down interviews for other teams?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Pederson just has a more innovative football mind. I don't think you realize just how good a coach Pederson actually is. Everyone tried to give credit to all his assistants in Philly last year for their success. Talk to people actually in the know & they will tell you that Pederson is an extraordinary coach. That Philly team was decimated this year with injuries & still found a way to sneak into the playoffs. I watched them get horrible calls in Dallas that cost them the game & what then appeared to be a dagger in the heart. His leadership brought them back from the brink & don't be surprised if they go into Chicago this weekend & win.

Bieniemy may turn out ok, but he's not even remotely in Pederson's league. He may be a good choice for a less desperate franchise, but IMO, not ours.

I question how you know anything concrete about bieniemy’s coaching chops.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Expect news of a Jim Cooter interview.

 

[Totally_Red]

Welp that’s the first bad sign. How come we never read of coaching candidates turning down interviews for other teams?

Jerry Reese turned down an Oakland GM interview. ISU coach Matt Campbell turned down the Jets.

Better to ask the prettiest girl and be rejected, than to wonder 'What if?' I'm glad the Cardinals are asking.

 

[Mainstreet]

It's hard to keep up. I didn't know if this has been posted.

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[Southpaw]

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/arti...cardinals/s1_127_28126787?mb_edition=20190102

 

[Krangodnzr]

McCarthy and Bieniemy by passing on Cardinals interviews in semi public fashion, are saying we don't want anything to do with organization now or in the future. These are not small things.

Meh Bienemy seems like the worst candidate to me anyway...

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Cards are playing close to the vest this time, right? Doesn't mean the candidates are, or have too. Maybe EB knows something...like he's just a cursory, kick the tires, interview and not a serious candidate...and he doesn't see that as necessary, when he has 4 other interviews lined up...Also, all of his interviews may just be going through the process...I think this is really his 1st year being considered, right?

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[GuernseyCard]

Cards are playing close to the vest this time, right? Doesn't mean the candidates are, or have too. Maybe EB knows something...like he's just a cursory, kick the tires, interview and not a serious candidate...and he doesn't see that as necessary, when he has 4 other interviews lined up...Also, all of his interviews may just be going through the process...I think this is really his 1st year being considered, right?

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And that perhaps after a 20-minute chat, they've met the Rooney Rule.

 

[PACardsFan]

I question how you know anything concrete about bieniemy’s coaching chops.

IMO, there’s no comparison. Again, that’s my opinion based on what Pederson has already proven. I absolutely could be wrong. If the Cardinals hire Bieniemy, I will back him 100%.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Jerry Reese turned down an Oakland GM interview. ISU coach Matt Campbell turned down the Jets.

Better to ask the prettiest girl and be rejected, than to wonder 'What if?' I'm glad the Cardinals are asking.

Thanks, that eases my mind to see we aren’t the only rejects. And 100% agree . . . don’t ask, don’t receive.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

IMO, there’s no comparison. Again, that’s my opinion based on what Pederson has already proven. I absolutely could be wrong. If the Cardinals hire Bieniemy, I will back him 100%.

I only question because Pederson came from same tree. So if bieniemy isn’t responsible for chiefs success as OC (which I wonder based on Reid’s likely involvement) why would that have been the case with Pederson (and Nagy for that matter), right? Only differences I see are that bieniemy came via RBs coach route instead of QBs coach route and has less time as OC than either of those (although Nagy only had two years and Pederson 3 - I believe).

 

[PACardsFan]

I only question because Pederson came from same tree. So if bieniemy isn’t responsible for chiefs success as OC (which I wonder based on Reid’s likely involvement) why would that have been the case with Pederson (and Nagy for that matter), right? Only differences I see are that bieniemy came via RBs coach route instead of QBs coach route and has less time as OC than either of those (although Nagy only had two years and Pederson 3 - I believe).

Yes, and Bieniemy was awful as OC while at Colorado. I do prefer former QB’s as offensive guru’s as opposed to former RB’s.

 

[juza76]

Yes, and Bieniemy was awful as OC while at Colorado. I do prefer former QB’s as offensive guru’s as opposed to former RB’s.

Definitely
Its like a special team coach getting the head coach job

 

[gimpy]

Just because someone comes from a certain "tree", doesn't, in my mind, mean that they will be an automatic success or failure. I'm sure a lot of it has to do with the person himself, and the qualities that they possess and can impart to their people.

 

[Zeno]

Definitely
Its like a special team coach getting the head coach job

Like Super Bowl Champion John Harbaugh? Marv Levy reached 4 Super Bowls as a former ST coach.

I see no problem with a ST coordinator becoming a head coach to be honest as long as they have all the other qualities you need in a HC.

 

[juza76]

Like Super Bowl Champion John Harbaugh? Marv Levy reached 4 Super Bowls as a former ST coach.

I see no problem with a ST coordinator becoming a head coach to be honest as long as they have all the other qualities you need in a HC.

I know about john harbaugh but if i have to make the choice i wont ever pick someone who has been just a special team coach previously

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Definitely
Its like a special team coach getting the head coach job

John Harbaugh says, hold my beer...lol

 

[CardsFan88]

Just because someone comes from a certain "tree", doesn't, in my mind, mean that they will be an automatic success or failure. I'm sure a lot of it has to do with the person himself, and the qualities that they possess and can impart to their people.

Exactly. One reason I think people are pulling from certain 'trees' is that the trunk may be good at creating new branches.

Some of these guys like to surround themselves with similar offensive minds/personal traits. Then they spend a few years bouncing ideas back and forth while developing gameplans, breaking down film, scouting guys, etc.

It's up to prospective teams to discover whether or not that person can go it alone. A guy could be an important part of someone elses success and not necessarily able to be that themselves. Or maybe they could be, but don't have the ability to surround themselves with such assistants of a quality to do it because they aren't good at seeing it in assistants.

When one of these guys leaves, guys like Reid find another guy with similar ideas/traits and brings him into the fold. So I think it's valid to look in these places, but we have to have the chops to be able to tell if any of these guys are viable. Do we have that? I don't know. I do think there is valid hope IF the rumor that Keim wanted McVay is true. IF he had the ability to identify him, he might have it for one of these other guys.

It is important for us imo that with our horrible offense and the direction that NFL offenses are heading towards, that we find a guy capable of emulating the offensive trend and hopefully sets trends on top of that. That would be the goal. Maybe not achievable, but the ideal to strive for.

I also agree that having a background as a QB likely contributes to a deeper understanding of how to create/sustain a succesful offense in the NFL. But that doesn't mean he has to of been one.

Alot of these trees are filled with former QB's. Arians was a QB. Even our college interview Kingsbury was a QB and tried for a number of years to make it professionally. NFL, NFL Europe, CFL. Once he retired, he went from quality control to head coach of a big 12 school in five years. Explosive offenses every stop along the way at three different colleges.

It's interesting that Sumlin was considered to be an up and coming college coach, but he hasn't done very well since Kingsbury left to be his own head coach. Maybe Kingsbury was the secret sauce propelling Sumlin?

He's a guy who recruited and signed Mahomes. Manziel played his best with him. He helped make Webb and Keenum into NFL players.

I just see a guy who seems to make people better when he's around, and when he's not, some of these guys (players/coaches) don't do as well. The ones that are either have supreme talent and/or are with similar offensive minds.

He seems to have a pulse on what is going on, and has been in part a creator of it. He may be nothing or the next McVay/Nagy/etc. But the guy definitely is hitting all the checkmarks of someone that could be the next guy. Isn't that what we hoping for? A guy who legitimately checks some of those boxes? He may be out there and interviewing with us.

Whoever we get for coach, I simply hope they have 'it'.

 

[AZfaninMN]

James Robert Cooter???

Could he fit in, in AZ?

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+1 for Jim Bob Cooter as OC. Staffords career turned around when he became the OC.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

+1 for Jim Bob Cooter as OC. Staffords career turned around when he became the OC.

Agreed...and I think he's out because of Patricia, not job performance.

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[AZfaninMN]

Agreed...and I think he's out because of Patricia, not job performance.

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Absolutely agree