Cardinals at Bills gameday thread 9-8-24

[Stout]

The K-1 haters won’t like this.

lol Are you a Cards fan or a Kyler fan? Honest question. We've had plenty here who cannot stand the slightest criticism of KM.

Honest evaluation of KM? Really nice little 1st half, really awful 2nd half, never really tried to be aggressive downfield, and completed no pass beyond 9 yards. You can't get that from your QB and win games. You just can't. Also had a chance to make the big play and scrambled instead. Story of his career thus far.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Brutally bad. Just brutally bad. Some of the blame goes to Petzing, but plenty goes to KM.

Blame goes to everyone. Murray not making plays when it mattered most. Terrible second half playcalling. And atrocious work by Monti in the offseason, putting together an absolutely woeful defense.

 

[nashman]

Allen had no problem with it.

That’s pure assumption on your part, saw him sail a few passes high and a few in the dirt so… we didn’t throw that ball all that much with the conservative playcalling so not sure it was much of a factor anywhere except probably kick offs or punting. We did have a pathetic shanked punt and that was downwind ironically lol…

 

[Cheesebeef]

That’s pure assumption on your part, saw him sail a few passes high and a few in the dirt so…

No it’s not. I literally watched with my own eyes. He wasn’t afraid to throw it, that’s for sure. And they scored going into the wind before the half, helped by a deep ball to Coleman. And they didn’t have a problem scoring against the wind in the 4th quarter either.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Or he could have, you know, not bailed and hit the guy running wide open who is directly in his sight line. This was a bad miss by KM and exactly one of his bad habits that has plagued him his entire career.

So you're saying your analysis of the play is more accurate than Orlorvsky's?

Not trolling. Honest question.

 

[DaHilg]

This is why we lost.

To be fair.. 2 of those incompletions were drops by MHJR and Wilson.. then a 3rd and 4th whatever you want to call it by Dortch w those suspect non PI calls. So that’s 4/6 incompletions right there.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Totally different circumstances though (assuming this is the play you're talking about)

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Yes, that's the play. I agree totally different situation but my point was about the QB seeing the field and making the throw.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

"Palmer wasn't that good actually" really sums up the vibe of most of this board.

Agree. Anyone who thinks Murray is a better passer of the football than Palmer should probably stick to watching rugby.

 

[urs]

This is why we lost.

MHJ back shoulder throw that he didn't turn around for.
Drop by MHJ
Drop by Wilson
2x PI on perfectly thrown balls
Bad throw to Trey while running to his left(and should have kept running)

Certainly a different perspective on the 0 for 6

Having only 6 is concerning though.

 

[urs]

To be fair.. 2 of those incompletions were drops by MHJR and Wilson.. then a 3rd and 4th whatever you want to call it by Dortch w those suspect non PI calls. So that’s 4/6 incompletions right there.

Yep and another was MHJ not coming back for the back shoulder

 

[Ronin]

Kyle Odegard

@Kyle_Odegard
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17m

The Cardinals had the worst defensive showing in the NFL on Sunday, according to @FTNFantasy.They finished last in the NFL in defensive efficiency in 2023.

 

[Shane]

Kyle Odegard
@Kyle_Odegard
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17m

The Cardinals had the worst defensive showing in the NFL on Sunday, according to @FTNFantasy.They finished last in the NFL in defensive efficiency in 2023.

OOOOOF

 

[BirdGangThing]

Johnny Venerable
@JohnnyVenerable
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25m

Mack Wilson Sr. (87.9) and Zaven Collins (85.8) were the two highest graded Arizona Cardinal defenders vs Buffalo, per @PFF.Both flashed on an otherwise tough day for AZ's front-7.

they had good games - even with collins getting robbed

 

[SoonerLou]

Kyle Odegard
@Kyle_Odegard
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17m

The Cardinals had the worst defensive showing in the NFL on Sunday, according to @FTNFantasy.They finished last in the NFL in defensive efficiency in 2023.

OOOOOF

I feel for Gannon with this roster Monti has given him and to a lesser degree Keim (C'mon Chop you know its true!) However, him being a defensive coach sort puts him in a tougher spot. Cause it shouldn't be *that* bad.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I feel for Gannon with this roster Monti has given him and to a lesser degree Keim (C'mon Chop you know its true!) However, him being a defensive coach sort puts him in a tougher spot. Cause it shouldn't be *that* bad.

I don’t care how much of a genius a coach can be, if you have almost zero talent in your front four and non-existent edge players, your defense is going to horrible.

 

[Ronin]

Johnny Venerable
@JohnnyVenerable
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1h

The Arizona Cardinals defensive line had a tough day against Buffalo, per
@PFF
Dante Stills: 52.0
Justin Jones: 43.3
Bilal Nichols: 43.3
L.J. Collier: 39.0

 

[Ronin]

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[MadCardDisease]

Johnny Venerable
@JohnnyVenerable
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1h

The Arizona Cardinals defensive line had a tough day against Buffalo, per
@PFF
Dante Stills: 52.0
Justin Jones: 43.3
Bilal Nichols: 43.3
L.J. Collier: 39.0

For me this was the biggest disappointment of the game. With the players who the Cardinals brought in via FA I had hoped at least the rush defense would look somewhat better. Yet they still got gashed in the run game.

 

[BritCard]

Douglass awful decision in the moment doesn't make it a bad decision on the QB. Dortch would need to be spread out more to make that a more obvious decision as to what you are saying. Douglass has no reason to be jumping near the middle of the field.

And as Dan said by the time KM works his way back that ball is possibly tipped or int. It would need to be thrown to the back pylon and MHJ already stopped his momentum as well.

Just unfortunate we didn't capitalize on a blown coverage

There's a massive amount of cope around this.

20 out of 32 starting QB's in the league see MHJ on the 2nd read, take two steps to their right to relieve the pressure from the edge, and find Marv downfield. It's an average NFL throw.

If any other QB in the league did this we would all be laughing at them.

On top of all that, I think coming off a wide open Dortch for a 1st down was poor too. Top 10 QB's are changing their arm angle and finding him.

 

[SoonerLou]

I don’t care how much of a genius a coach can be, if you have almost zero talent in your front four and non-existent edge players, your defense is going to horrible.

That's fair. Especially against an MVP caliber QB.

Still hope we can cook up up something against injured Rams team.

 

[BritCard]

To be fair.. 2 of those incompletions were drops by MHJR and Wilson.. then a 3rd and 4th whatever you want to call it by Dortch w those suspect non PI calls. So that’s 4/6 incompletions right there.

Those aren't the problem. The less than 3 air yards to completion is the problem.

 

[DaHilg]

Those aren't the problem. The less than 3 air yards to completion is the problem.

But is that a play calling problem?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Johnny Venerable
@JohnnyVenerable
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1h

The Arizona Cardinals defensive line had a tough day against Buffalo, per
@PFF
Dante Stills: 52.0
Justin Jones: 43.3
Bilal Nichols: 43.3
L.J. Collier: 39.0

This is just beyond pathetic. Justin Jones, 10M man.

 

[Stout]

So you're saying your analysis of the play is more accurate than Orlorvsky's?

Not trolling. Honest question.

I'm using the eye test and remembering there are thousands of analysts and they all have widely differing opinions. Is your sole defense of KM based on Orlovsky?

I know KM is your guy, but tell me why we shouldn't be down on him after that awful 2nd half performance or when he didn't complete a pass thrown more than 9 yards?

 

[SoonerLou]

There's a massive amount of cope around this.

20 out of 32 starting QB's in the league see MHJ on the 2nd read, take two steps to their right to relieve the pressure from the edge, and find Marv downfield. It's an average NFL throw.

If any other QB in the league did this we would all be laughing at them.

On top of all that, I think coming off a wide open Dortch for a 1st down was poor too. Top 10 QB's are changing their arm angle and finding him.

Lol Ok Brit