Cavs land Shaq for Wallace, Pavlovic

[Chris_Sanders]

If Sarver were cheap, he wouldn't have traded for Shaq, who actually made more than Marion.

The Shaq trade saved Sarver money and that is a fact. It was because Bank's long term deal plus Marion's deal cost more than Shaq's deal.

By now dumping Shaq he has saved even more money.

 

[Gaddabout]

How exactly does this trade help with rebuilding? The Suns don't own their own draft pick next year. In fact, why would Oklahoma trade it now? The Suns had to get their pick back before making this trade.

This is just terrible mismanagement on the part of the Suns.

It does mean the Suns might be able to get a free agent who can guard the pick and roll like an NBA center.

 

[TBaslim]

(Posted this response in the trade thread too...)

Kerr couldn't even get Ferry to throw in a future 1st rounder or Hickson? Chrimmy - he better have some more stuff planned after this salary dump.

And just think - if we had just kept Marion, we would have $21 million expiring this summer.

The Cavs owe us for DECADES if they win the title next year. We pay through the nose for Shaq, rehab him, miss the playoffs, and ship him to them for broken parts.

Wow.

 

[tobiazz]

How exactly does this trade help with rebuilding? The Suns don't own their own draft pick next year. In fact, why would Oklahoma trade it now? The Suns had to get their pick back before making this trade.

This is just terrible mismanagement on the part of the Suns.

That pick is much more valuable now. Maybe OKC already agreed to the pick swap and it just hasn't been announced . . . HAHA, nevermind.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

If Sarver were cheap, he wouldn't have traded for Shaq, who actually made more than Marion.

Sarver isn't cheap, he makes bad moves with the cap, forcing him to do cheap things. Like the dudes you see driving $12,000 cars and putting $14,000 in cosmetic extras to make it look like a sports car. Only to skimp on the oil changes and sell the floor mats because they spent all their money on waste.

Yeah you could argue that guy isn't cheap either.

 

[187]

Awesome, Suns get to be worse next year and see their pick go to the Thunder. I'm fully expecting another draft night kidney punch by Sarver and crew.

Me Sarver

I was all for keeping this team together for one last shot with a new coach and fresh attitude, but apparently that's not going to be the case.

Some of my fellow Suns fans are delusional. We couldn't win a ring in our prime, how the hell would we win a ring with the same roster that didn't even make the playoffs? Obviously we are going back to the run and gun, that's what we did when Gentry took over. It fills seats and will hopefully get us to the post season, where odds are we will fail miserably once again.

I don't think many teams were going to give up a lot of talent for a 37 year old center that is done in what, 1 or 2 seasons? We're dumping salaries, at least we will have the money to make some sort of splash in 2010. Does that mean our cheap ass FO will do that? No, but at least we have the ability to do so. Our FO is garbage, so at least they got the expiring contracts part right.

Reality check: We aren't winning a ring without rebuilding (again), face the music. All I want from the team next year is the fast pace that is a blast to watch and a playoff birth. I stopped watching our team play under Porter, it was like torture. Gentry taking over rekindled my enthusiasm for the team last season, even when I knew we were missing the playoffs.

 

[dodie53]

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[Gaddabout]

The Cavs owe us for DECADES if they win the title next year.

Now this is the funny part ...

Orlando/Howard killed Cleveland on the pick-and-roll, so the Cavs went out and got Shaq for that sole reason.

I'm sure Shaq looks forward to leaning on Howard in the low-post game, but when Orlando goes back to pick and roll, the Cavs might as well have me at center.

 

[HooverDam]

I was all about this deal assuming the Suns could get Hickson or a 2010 or 2011 1st rounder from Cleveland. The Suns are really getting bent over here and have now likely screwed themselves out of getting their pick back from OKC.

Im glad Shaqs gone, and Im happy for the monetary savings, but really, you couldn't get West, Hickson or a 1st rounder thats 2 years away?

 

[dodie53]

this trade just made my day bad

 

[AZ Kid]

We are now able to sign a young free agent (Ariza). The biggest sign of rebuilding is that nash said he will only resign if we make moves to contend. That obviously didnt happen so i wouldnt be suprised if this is just a chain reaction. By the begining of next year i wouldnt be shocked if there was no shaq, nash and or amare

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I'm sure Shaq looks forward to leaning on Howard in the low-post game, but when Orlando goes back to pick and roll, the Cavs might as well have me at center.

Good point. This does help ratings though due to another one of Shaq's childish pissing contests with Howard.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Good God, Kerr couldn't even get rid of Andrew?

I was all about this deal assuming the Suns could get Hickson or a 2010 or 2011 1st rounder from Cleveland. The Suns are really getting bent over here and have now likely screwed themselves out of getting their pick back from OKC.

Im glad Shaqs gone, and Im happy for the monetary savings, but really, you couldn't get West, Hickson or a 1st rounder thats 2 years away?

No way Cleveland trades their 2011 as they might be LeBron-less at that point.

 

[187]

Oh and I'm not going to make a big deal about us not getting their 1st rounder, we would have traded it away anyways for tiddly winks and bubble gum anyways.

 

[tobiazz]

It does mean the Suns might be able to get a free agent who can guard the pick and roll like an NBA center.

I think any free agent C we pick up will only match Shaq in FT%.

Was the difference in salary between Shaq and the two Cavs enough to sign a guy like Gortat? That could make it a decent rebuilding move, though they still should have snagged a future 1st.

I'll save the rest of my bitching until after the draft, unless Amare or Nash is salary dumped.

 

[Gaddabout]

Folks, I'm done deleting Andrew comments. From now on y'all get a 24-hour ban. Chill out. Leave the guy alone. He said he's sticking around.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I don't think many teams were going to give up a lot of talent for a 37 year old center that is done in what, 1 or 2 seasons? We're dumping salaries, at least we will have the money to make some sort of splash in 2010. Does that mean our cheap ass FO will do that? No, but at least we have the ability to do so. Our FO is garbage, so at least they got the expiring contracts part right.

Reality check:

Shaq has one year left on his deal. Salary Cap for the 2010 season would have come anyway.

 

[187]

We are now able to sign a young free agent (Ariza). The biggest sign of rebuilding is that nash said he will only resign if we make moves to contend. That obviously didnt happen so i wouldnt be suprised if this is just a chain reaction. By the begining of next year i wouldnt be shocked if there was no shaq, nash and or amare

Sarver is all about making money and NO ONE is showing up to watch the Suns play if Amare and Nash are gone on top of Shaq leaving. The very thought of that is depressing unless we actually make some good trades.

 

[SunsTzu]

Some of my fellow Suns fans are delusional. We couldn't win a ring in our prime, how the hell would we win a ring with the same roster that didn't even make the playoffs?

Ok so lets trade Amare for cash and 2nd round picks, I mean the Suns weren't going to win a ring anyway so what does it matter. I don't think anyone actually thinks the Suns were gong to contend for anything and I don't think anyone is really suprised that the Suns made yet another purely financial move. It doesn't mean fans have to be happy about it.

 

[187]

Shaq has one year left on his deal. Salary Cap for the 2010 season would have come anyway.

Yeah I forgot about that. I got 3 hours of sleep and then worked in the sun for 5 hours, my brain is fried

I guess what I'm getting at is that I am so used to the Suns failing in the post season and making horrific trades regarding our team's future (via draft picks, trades, penny pinching, etc) that this doesn't really shock or bother me too much. One way or another Shaq was leaving in a year, so now it happened sooner rather than later.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

We are now able to sign a young free agent (Ariza). The biggest sign of rebuilding is that nash said he will only resign if we make moves to contend. That obviously didnt happen so i wouldnt be suprised if this is just a chain reaction. By the begining of next year i wouldnt be shocked if there was no shaq, nash and or amare

If you think Ariza is coming here you are fooling yourself.

 

[Bufalay]

How exactly does this trade help with rebuilding? The Suns don't own their own draft pick next year. In fact, why would Oklahoma trade it now? The Suns had to get their pick back before making this trade.

This is just terrible mismanagement on the part of the Suns.

LOL, this is the most depressing thing I've read so far.

 

[187]

Ok so lets trade Amare for cash and 2nd round picks, I mean the Suns weren't going to win a ring anyway so what does it matter. I don't think anyone actually thinks the Suns were gong to contend for anything and I don't think anyone is really suprised that the Suns made yet another purely financial move. It doesn't mean fans have to be happy about it.

I know we can actually get solid value for Amare, I didn't think we could get much for Shaq initially, so I'm not too bothered about it. Comparing Amare to Shaq when it comes to trade value is apples to old oranges. And read my above post about me becoming numb to our FO making boneheaded moves. We've traded away so much young talent, giving away a 37 year old center doesn't bother me as much.

 

[dodie53]

how much could the lakers offer Ariza?
can the suns offer more?

 

[AZ Kid]

We were going to have to rebuild... Why not now?