Colt McCoy era ends

[Chopper0080]

Man it is so hard to debate anything with you because you gloss over everything else I say and pick this one ridiculous thing to say that I already answered. Either you are being purposely obtuse or you don't understand what I said.

What other plans was there? Throw more good cap at bad? That's really dumb. Really dumb. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

Anyone with a pulse KNEW this was going to be a lost year. Throwing money at a high end backup QB would have been the dumbest move from a strategic, long term view. It's exactly what Keim would have done.

I call it as I see it.

Outside of the Matt Ryan comment, where has this been said? We chose to play it cheap in the off-season and not spend 2 mil more to get Dobbs. It then cost us a 5th round pick to get that same player two weeks before the season starts to potentially be our starter. This seems exactly like something Keim would have done.

 

[Krangodnzr]

The irony of this post is almost too much to bear.

LOL read my post again and you'll see "Oh, I misread what he was saying."

I was saying it would have been dumb to spend the money for a high end backup. Dobbs is paid $2 million. That's not high end back up money.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Outside of the Matt Ryan comment, where has this been said? We chose to play it cheap in the off-season and not spend 2 mil more to get Dobbs. It then cost us a 5th round pick to get that same player two weeks before the season starts to potentially be our starter. This seems exactly like something Keim would have done.

How do you know that Dobbs wanted just $2 million? All things being equal, players generally resign with the clubs they are familiar with.

Maybe Dobbs asked for $5 million.

 

[Chopper0080]

You could ascertain that from the snaps he took?

It looked the same. Practice clips, looked the same. Game snaps, looked the same. No noticeable difference which is why Gannon said it wasn't something he didn't do.

 

[Krangodnzr]

It looked the same. Practice clips, looked the same. Game snaps, looked the same. No noticeable difference which is why Gannon said it wasn't something he didn't do.

Right but the Cardinals got a longer look in the Vikings practices which were closer to real NFL game speed and player packages.

As I've said before we literally have 1/1000th the information that they have.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Outside of the Matt Ryan comment, where has this been said? We chose to play it cheap in the off-season and not spend 2 mil more to get Dobbs. It then cost us a 5th round pick to get that same player two weeks before the season starts to potentially be our starter. This seems exactly like something Keim would have done.

it hasn't been said anywhere. It's just a projected stupid argument onto other posters that does nothing but lead to flame wars and obsfuscate the fact that the poster projecting has no argument of their own to make.

 

[Devilmaycare]

Didn’t you watch last season? The answer to your last question is no. He wasn’t a realistic stopgap starting QB, IMO at age 38… hell, he wasn’t a realistic spot gap starting QB at 28. The fact that this FO thought he could was an embarassment in the first place, IMO.

He was more than a realistic stopgap starting QB when the plan is to tank. I'd be annoyed if they brought someone good in.

 

[Chopper0080]

How do you know that Dobbs wanted just $2 million? All things being equal, players generally resign with the clubs they are familiar with.

Maybe Dobbs asked for $5 million.

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I am giving them 2 mil over the 2 mil he signed for as a grace to organization. Who knows, it could have only taken 50 cents more.

 

[SoonerLou]

Im a Monti supporter, but between costing us a pick and poorly handling the QB spot is just not a good look.
It doesnt matter how you cut it up. Its an unfair process to Tune and maybe Dobbs (at least he gets a chance to start). So many meaningful reps missed.

Just not the kind of things even rookie GM's should be making.

Or maybe these are just the kind of mistakes that continue to happen under Bidwill's watch.

 

[kerouac9]

I am giving them 2 mil over the 2 mil he signed for as a grace to organization. Who knows, it could have only taken 50 cents more.

“How do you know X didn’t happen?” is the last refuge of the rhetorically bankrupt.

 

[Russ Smith]

Until we hear otherwise I'm assuming that it's likely Colt just told us he no longer wanted to play and we made the Dobbs deal and then cut him for that reason?

Said it since early last year, Colt is a great guy but he can't stay healthy, at his age it was a matter of time before he got hurt, on this team just inevitable. My guess is he just didn't want to go through that again and made his mind up that was the case.

I fully expect he'll retire.

 

[Chopper0080]

Until we hear otherwise I'm assuming that it's likely Colt just told us he no longer wanted to play and we made the Dobbs deal and then cut him for that reason?

Said it since early last year, Colt is a great guy but he can't stay healthy, at his age it was a matter of time before he got hurt, on this team just inevitable. My guess is he just didn't want to go through that again and made his mind up that was the case.

I fully expect he'll retire.

So Monti is making the same mistakes with veteran players as Keim...

 

[BullheadCardFan]

We chose to play it cheap in the off-season and not spend 2 mil more to get Dobbs..

And yet we spent $4 mil on a kicker

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

Caleb will hold out or go back to school. He doesn’t want to be here based on what I read. Thank Peasantbury for the inside scoop on how this organization is ran.

No way Caleb goes back to school. He gets hurt then what? He potentially loses 40 mil? Not gonna happen.

 

[kerouac9]

Until we hear otherwise I'm assuming that it's likely Colt just told us he no longer wanted to play and we made the Dobbs deal and then cut him for that reason?

Said it since early last year, Colt is a great guy but he can't stay healthy, at his age it was a matter of time before he got hurt, on this team just inevitable. My guess is he just didn't want to go through that again and made his mind up that was the case.

I fully expect he'll retire.

He could have just gone on the reserve/retired list and not have to be cut if that's the case. Now Michael cuts him a $2.25 million check for guaranteed salary that we won't be able to roll over into next year.

 

[Russ Smith]

He could have just gone on the reserve/retired list and not have to be cut if that's the case. Now Michael cuts him a $2.25 million check for guaranteed salary that we won't be able to roll over into next year.

Yeah I don't know the logistics so I might be wrong but my guess is he just woke up one day and said I don't want to do this anymore.

 

[Krangodnzr]

“How do you know X didn’t happen?” is the last refuge of the rhetorically bankrupt.

LOL ok chief.

@Chopper0080 is basically throwing out speculation as fact. No one knows what Dobbs wanted from the Cardinals. That's all I'm saying. Quit being so damn smug.

 

[QuebecCard]

“How do you know X didn’t happen?” is the last refuge of the rhetorically bankrupt.

It ranks up there with using hindsight to claim foresight.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Man it is so hard to debate anything with you because you gloss over everything else I say and pick this one ridiculous thing to say that I already answered. Either you are being purposely obtuse or you don't understand what I said.

Lol, good stuff Krango.

What other plans was there? Throw more good cap at bad? That's really dumb. Really dumb. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

Anyone with a pulse KNEW this was going to be a lost year. Throwing money at a high end backup QB would have been the dumbest move from a strategic, long term view. It's exactly what Keim would have done.

How about throwing a fifth rounder (the same round we picked a promising young QB and CB), for a guy who can't possibly be ready for the regular season, and who is a lesser prospect than the guy we JUST DRAFTED in the 5th round?

Incredible straw man though - have you seen anyone propose spending big on a QB?

I call it as I see it.

Through the most cardinal-red eyes!

 

[Krangodnzr]

I am giving them 2 mil over the 2 mil he signed for as a grace to organization. Who knows, it could have only taken 50 cents more.

You literally don't know that. It's using your or others speculation as a tactic to smack the organization down.

Dobbs could have wanted $5 million which would be reasonable to balk at.

 

[Krangodnzr]

It ranks up there with using hindsight to claim foresight.

And speculation which is a bankable currency with this crowd

 

[BirdGangThing]

Loud Noises!

 

[oaken1]

I think being self aware and making decisions in a timely fashion to put your team in the best position possible is something that matters in the long run of every franchise.

Being known as a place where vets know they will be given every opportunity to show they can play is a positive...

Nah... loyalty just dont mean poo these days.

 

[Chopper0080]

LOL ok chief.

@Chopper0080 is basically throwing out speculation as fact. No one knows what Dobbs wanted from the Cardinals. That's all I'm saying. Quit being so damn smug.

I don't believe it is a far stretch to think a player would prefer, say, 2 mil more in salary and an almost guaranteed chance to start at least a couple games over less money and no chance to start at all in Cleveland.

The report says the Cardinals wanted him but couldn't get the finances in order.

These aren't big stretches of speculation.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Lol, good stuff Krango.

How about throwing a fifth rounder (the same round we picked a promising young QB and CB), for a guy who can't possibly be ready for the regular season, and who is a lesser prospect than the guy we JUST DRAFTED in the 5th round?

Incredible straw man though - have you seen anyone propose spending big on a QB?


Through the most cardinal-red eyes!

How do you bring in a QB?

1. Free Agency. Most good backups are going to cost you, and any QB worth their salt will go somewhere where they can parlay their play into a shot at starting. Would you pick the Cardinals if you were in this camp? I wouldn't.

2. Trade. Costs draft picks obviously. Teams generally hold players around and trade them in the preseason once they know how their roster is going to shake out.

3. Draft. The Cardinals used this avenue and got a fairly promising player. But you're kidding yourself if you think it's common to find a good player in the fifth round and the most likely scenario is that Tune is going to suck bad and so will Clark.