Coro: Steve Nash's career with the Phoenix Suns nears its end

[Folster]

Why pursue Dragic?

I mean, I haven't commented on the draft, but our guy from UNC seems like a straight up floor general who will average 10/10 out of the gate if he gets the minutes. He at least seems to be a solid second-tier PG for his career. It seems that he's a legit PGOF. Look elsewhere instead of re-treading Dragic and burying our pick on the bench.

We need a 2, 3, and 4 much more than we need a PG, IMO.

At least Sessions and Felton are guaranteed to be short-term answers to bridge our draftee for a year or two. Dragic comes expecting to be PGOF.

Goran excelled at times as a scoring guard. Maybe they are thinking about playing both Dragic (6'3") and Marshall (6'4") in the backcourt. However, from what has been reported Goran wants to be guaranteed the starting point guard position and wants $10 million per year. Eric Gordon who is also 6'3" is going to get $14 million per year.

 

[TJ]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I loved those teams as well, but if I had to choose a favorite, it would be the SSOL teams. Maybe I just got annoyed with the "Cult of Barkley".

The difference between the Barkley and Nash v. 2.0 teams are that Barkley's Suns, especially 92-93, were easily 10 deep. That team alone had 7 players who averaged in double figures. The rotation was flat out sick (and almost won us a championship):

Starters:
KJ
Majerle
Ceballos
Barkley
West

Bench:
Ainge
Dumas
Miller
Chambers
Frank Johnson

SSOL was fun to watch, but was highly inefficient because a frenetic paced offense only works for the long haul if the coach plays more than 7-8 players a game and at least cares somewhat about defense.

Until we win a 'ship, the 92-93 Suns will always be my favorite of all time.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Until we win a 'ship, the 92-93 Suns will always be my favorite of all time.

me too. Also loved the 94-5 team that was derailed by Joe Freaking Klein destroying Danny Manning's knee.

that team was ridiculously deep. hell, they still looked like they were going to win the title without Manning when they went up 3-1 on Houston before Barkley messed up his knee in the second half of Game 6 and became a walking corpse the rest of the series.

does anyone remember how damn good Barkley was the beginning of that series? i think he had something like 27 first half points in Game 6 and was just a dunking fool. then he messed up his knee and was just sad to watch in Game 7.

 

[95pro]

Dumas was the shizz too, sadly he had loves other than basketball.

 

[CardsFan88]

Dumas was the shizz too, sadly he had loves other than basketball.

Sniff, it's a shame. After that all people had to do is mispronounce his name.

Doom Boom

 

[Gaddabout]

oh come on, did they not blow the Cavaliers front office well enough to get JJ Hickson included? Besides, by not trading Amare Stoudemire we got a trip to the Western Conference finals and a very competitive series against the Lakers. Nobody wanted to rent Amare Stoudemire for a third of the season and then be forced to decide whether they would give a guy with horrible knee problems and a bad eye and a maximum contract to stay around.

I'm all for hammering this front office when they screw up. I don't agree with much of what's going on there these days. I'm terrified they are going to screw us for the next three or four years with bad moves this summer. I think some of the criticism is just over the top, especially when it involves us overvaluing our own players like usual.

Joe Mama

Oh, by the time that deal was being arranged the Suns were behind the 8 ball. They HAD to deal, which is why they had no leverage. The time to make a decision was the summer before. Period. Either they had faith in the knee or not, and they didn't have to show their hand to anyone. They botched the deal with GS (which was a pretty sad deal, too) because that was a room full of inexperience. That was back when people were calling them, not the other way around when they tried to deal him to Cleveland (signaling to the whole world the Suns had lost faith in Amare's long-term future).

They crapped the bed they eventually had to sleep in. No sympathy. No apologies for them. They blew it with Stoudemire. The front office was full of amateurs.

 

[chickenhead]

My favorite is probably the 89-90 team that beat the Lakers. Loved the Barkley teams and SSOL as well, but the late 80s teams were the first ones I saw advance in the playoffs. I was still a little young in 84.

 

[PDXChris]

So, I have a dumb question. If Deron Williams goes to Dallas, why wouldn't Nash consider Brooklyn. It is still NY and has a nice core. Phoenix does a sign and trade with Nash and Markieff Morris for Kris Humphries and MarShon Brooks. Plus Phoenix would still have money to spend.

Nets would have
PG Nash
SG Johnson
SF Wallace
PF Morris
C Lopez

Phoenix
PG FA
SG MarShon Brooks
SF Beasley/Frye
PF Humphries
C Gortat

 

[95pro]

Humphries will probably get paid by someone this year. isnt he a F/A?

 

[Gaddabout]

So, I have a dumb question. If Deron Williams goes to Dallas, why wouldn't Nash consider Brooklyn.

Nash sharing a backcourt with a really big 2 like Joe Johnson makes a LOT of sense for player, team, and basketball. That's also two really good ball handlers and passers -- bet their bigs would suddenly become effective.

 

[tobiazz]

Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider:
In other words, by signing Fields to offer sheet, Raptors probably killed talk of a Suns-Knicks sign-and-trade for Nash

So, If Nash goes to NY, it would have to involve Shumpert and filler unless the Suns just want to do NY a favor.

 

[JCSunsfan]

So, If Nash goes to NY, it would have to involve Shumpert and filler unless the Suns just want to do NY a favor.

I would be very happy to get Shumpert back for Nash.

 

[CardsFan88]

Isn't there a 6 month minimum on signing new guys and then trading them?

Otherwise I'd say maybe, just maybe BC might be lining up a sign and trade for Nash? Instead of Knicks offering Fields, Toronto might be?

If it's allowed, it's possible BC and Lon Babby could be having discussions behind the scenes. BC knows our franchise and style as well as anyone. It's possible Nash iterated a desire to not let Phx get screwed, but not really at the expense of Toronto as well. I could see a Calderon and Fields for Nash sign and trade. It's also very possible they want Fields to be on the receiving end of passes from Nash.

It's also possible that it is a move to create a limit to what NY can offer Nash. If the Knicks wanted to use him in a sign and trade, they could sign him for more than he's worth just to up the amount they could take on in a sign and trade with Nash. Now they can't do this.

This may, even if matched keep the Knicks $$$ amount lower than what the Raptors can offer. They now can't offer more. Fields has maxed out his contract. That's what he's going to make, nothing more.

Thus any way the Knicks can increase their offer to Nash would be to add another player like Shumpert to increase the total salaries being traded back (or other people...but most likely Suns would want Shumpert). Perhaps BC smelled this, and rather than wait for the Knicks to overpay Fields, they signed him forcing a series of events to unfold in a way that benefits the Raptors more.

So either the Raptors get Nash, or Knicks do but have to give up more talent and weaken their team more, which is good for the Raptors. Either way the Raptors might have made a competitor worse and outplayed the Knicks.

Of course Dallas is still in the mix, but all reports are he will have to take a total less than anywhere else.

Of course this is a complete guess all around about every facet of this post. But 'tis the season for utterly baseless speculation.

 

[SunsTzu]

Of course this is a complete guess all around about every facet of this post. But 'tis the season for utterly baseless speculation.

Fields can't be traded until December once he signs regardless if the Knicks match. Fields at that price now has negative trade value and Suns wouldn't want him.

 

[CardsFan88]

Well I hope this is just a wish and not actually true

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/07/03/lakers-enter-fray-for-steve-nash/

While the Toronto Raptors and New York Knicks have made strong pushes for free agent guard Steve Nash, the Los Angeles Lakers have, quietly, entered the fray for the 38-year-old guard and are making a strong bid to acquire him, according to a league source.

The Lakers, with a payroll already projected in excess of $83 million next season, would only be able to offer Nash an exception starting at $3.09 million for next season. It’s unlikely Nash would take that, so a sign-and-trade deal would be a more realistic possibility.

The Lakers do have a viable starting point guard they could send Phoenix in such a deal, Ramon Sessions, who became an unrestricted free agent after surprisingly opting out of the last year of his contract. Forwards Jordan Hill and Matt Barnes are also free agents.

Also some good info on other suitors

A source said Tuesday that Nash is allowing the Knicks time to try and create a sign-and-trade deal that would be palatable for Phoenix — and also get Nash a higher annual salary. But the Raptors put a crimp in New York’s plans Tuesday when they reached a verbal agreement with restricted free agent guard Landry Fields on an offer sheet worth $20 million for three years.

Also from another place

http://arizona.sbnation.com/phoenix...inks-theres-now-a-70-chance-steve-nash-leaves

Suns forward Jared Dudley weighed in on the Steve Nash free-agency rumors on Tuesday, noting that the odds of seeing Nash in the desert next season has dipped below 50%; now somewhere around 70% that he'll leave.

Dudley told Arizona Sports 620's Doug and Wolf,

"After the season I thought it was 50/50 for him potentially coming back, I think the percentage has gone down a little bit." Dudley said it would be unwise to count the Suns out, because he still feels Nash would like to keep playing for the Suns. But, he notes, the team has been working to woo other free agents - none of whom have been Nash - so it may be a sign that both parties are ready to move on.

 

[95pro]

nba.com says the Lakers are seeking nash too, but only have around 3mill-ish to offer

 

[SunsTzu]

nba.com says the Lakers are seeking nash too, but only have around 3mill-ish to offer

It would likely be part of a S&T for Sessions which would be stupid. I don't know why the Suns are looking at Dragic, Felton and Sessions if they just drafted a PG in the lottery. Sessions and Dragic can play off the ball for stretches but it just seems stupid to me.

 

[elindholm]

Seeing the Laker fans on this board wax eloquent about all of these mysterious, invisible qualities Sessions allegedly has just made me more nervous about him. If the Suns send Nash to the Lakers in a sign-and-trade, they need something else back. Unfortunately everyone after their big three is crap. A future first-round pick, to be conveyed after Bryant retires?

 

[Mainstreet]

Seeing the Laker fans on this board wax eloquent about all of these mysterious, invisible qualities Sessions allegedly has just made me more nervous about him. If the Suns send Nash to the Lakers in a sign-and-trade, they need something else back. Unfortunately everyone after their big three is crap. A future first-round pick, to be conveyed after Bryant retires?

The names I heard in regard to the trade for Nash include Ramon Sessions, Jordan Hill and Matt Barnes.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The names I heard in regard to the trade for Nash include Ramon Sessions, Jordan Hill and Matt Barnes.

blegh.

 

[Folster]

blegh.

I don't want to take back a bunch of salary from the Lakers. Unless it's expiring contracts, and picks then I'm not interested.

 

[elindholm]

The names I heard in regard to the trade for Nash include Ramon Sessions, Jordan Hill and Matt Barnes.

Hill and Sessions have some minimal value, but Barnes is worthless.

 

[Covert Rain]

The names I heard in regard to the trade for Nash include Ramon Sessions, Jordan Hill and Matt Barnes.

So basically this would be the same as letting Nash walk for nothing.

 

[TJ]

So basically this would be the same as letting Nash walk for nothing.

Worse. It makes the Lakers significantly better.

At least if we're going to tank, our rivals need to fail at the same time.


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[SunsTzu]

So basically this would be the same as letting Nash walk for nothing.

No, letting him walk for nothing leaves the Suns with cap room. Sessions just opted out of a contract paying him 4.5mil on a borderline contending team, I can only imagine what it would take for him to agree to come to the Suns.

He probably thinks he's worth more than Dragic(I don't) who reportedly turned down 8mil per.