D’Antoni lashes out at Suns bench

[blacklazza]

Marks has only played one game, coming up close to halfway through the season it makes sense to now give him some time to see what he can do as opposed to Burke.

 

[Lars the Red]

Mike D is just as much to blame for this problem as the players involved.

If your on an NBA roster, your one of the best basketball players in the world. You can walk on to any court, in any city, in any country and play with anyone. When Mike clenches up and refuses to get guys some minutes, they react badly. I know, all of you think, 'hey, they're professionals and need to be ready and focused no matter what'. Well let me remind you that players have egos. They understand that they may not be the stars of the team, or even starters. Heck, they may even recognize themselves as role players, needed only in limited situations. None of them, however, see themselves at 12th man scrubs who are only going to see time in ridiculous blowouts. That's the kind of crap one understands with lame high school teams because the 12th man is probably the student manager.

This isn't high school and these guys aren't scrubs. Several of them have had successful careers with other teams, and the idea that they can't get a sniff of minutes without having a 30 point lead is a little offensive. Mike certainly can't believe that the starters are going to get upset if they lose 3 or 4 minutes a game. He also can't believe that racking up huge minutes for the starters early in the season isn't a problem at the end.

I played in college, and saw what using depth could do for a team. We had 10 guys that could hit for 20 on any given night. We may have lost a game or two during the season because we didn't necessarily have our 5 best players on the floor in some situations. But I also believe that we won numerous games because we could insert players when we had injuries, and we definitely had fresher legs during games and the season with the utilization of depth.

This is Mike's mistake as much as any individual player's.

 

[BC867]

Mike D is just as much to blame for this problem as the players involved.

I agree with that. I'm glad to see that you said that he is as much to blame as the players.

As I alluded to earlier in the thread, Burke hasn't played team basketball when he gets in because he's been allowed to.

Well, D'Antoni has addressed the issue. Let's see if Burke does.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Mike D is just as much to blame for this problem as the players involved.

If your on an NBA roster, your one of the best basketball players in the world. You can walk on to any court, in any city, in any country and play with anyone. When Mike clenches up and refuses to get guys some minutes, they react badly. I know, all of you think, 'hey, they're professionals and need to be ready and focused no matter what'. Well let me remind you that players have egos. They understand that they may not be the stars of the team, or even starters. Heck, they may even recognize themselves as role players, needed only in limited situations. None of them, however, see themselves at 12th man scrubs who are only going to see time in ridiculous blowouts. That's the kind of crap one understands with lame high school teams because the 12th man is probably the student manager.

This isn't high school and these guys aren't scrubs. Several of them have had successful careers with other teams, and the idea that they can't get a sniff of minutes without having a 30 point lead is a little offensive. Mike certainly can't believe that the starters are going to get upset if they lose 3 or 4 minutes a game. He also can't believe that racking up huge minutes for the starters early in the season isn't a problem at the end.

I played in college, and saw what using depth could do for a team. We had 10 guys that could hit for 20 on any given night. We may have lost a game or two during the season because we didn't necessarily have our 5 best players on the floor in some situations. But I also believe that we won numerous games because we could insert players when we had injuries, and we definitely had fresher legs during games and the season with the utilization of depth.

This is Mike's mistake as much as any individual player's.

That's hooey. The best teams in NBA history have run 8 man rotations. Are you saying that bc Burke hasn't gotten reg minutes he has a right to jack up inane 3's at the end of a game.

Who here is for getting Burke more minutes so he doesn't feel so bad and he plays better?

Its about winning. That's the bottom line and that is what this coach is doing. He's 27-2 since late Nov.

Cut the freak and let Marks play.

 

[asudevil83]

Mike D is just as much to blame for this problem as the players involved.

If your on an NBA roster, your one of the best basketball players in the world. You can walk on to any court, in any city, in any country and play with anyone. When Mike clenches up and refuses to get guys some minutes, they react badly. I know, all of you think, 'hey, they're professionals and need to be ready and focused no matter what'. Well let me remind you that players have egos. They understand that they may not be the stars of the team, or even starters. Heck, they may even recognize themselves as role players, needed only in limited situations. None of them, however, see themselves at 12th man scrubs who are only going to see time in ridiculous blowouts. That's the kind of crap one understands with lame high school teams because the 12th man is probably the student manager.

This isn't high school and these guys aren't scrubs. Several of them have had successful careers with other teams, and the idea that they can't get a sniff of minutes without having a 30 point lead is a little offensive. Mike certainly can't believe that the starters are going to get upset if they lose 3 or 4 minutes a game. He also can't believe that racking up huge minutes for the starters early in the season isn't a problem at the end.

I played in college, and saw what using depth could do for a team. We had 10 guys that could hit for 20 on any given night. We may have lost a game or two during the season because we didn't necessarily have our 5 best players on the floor in some situations. But I also believe that we won numerous games because we could insert players when we had injuries, and we definitely had fresher legs during games and the season with the utilization of depth.

This is Mike's mistake as much as any individual player's.

i call Shinanigans.

have you seen what happens when Coach D throws in the benchers? we are proply outscored by a good 10-15 points in a matter of minutes.

if players either a) show that they dont care a shitsworth when given any minutes and let leads dwindle as an act of rebellion or b.) suck so much that they all they know how to do is shoot ill-advised threes all the time.....well then D'Antoni has a right to give them garbage minutes or non at all.

bench players (especially the 9-12 men) have to show that they can play meaningful minutes...whether that means showing that in practice, or showing that on the court anytime. if you want to dick around ala burke then you deserved to be cut.

 

[cly2tw]

He should get more than 8 players warmed up with some game time before the 4th q. This way, he could also sub the benches in one by one in ungoing blowouts.

 

[Lars the Red]

That's hooey. The best teams in NBA history have run 8 man rotations. Are you saying that bc Burke hasn't gotten reg minutes he has a right to jack up inane 3's at the end of a game.

Who here is for getting Burke more minutes so he doesn't feel so bad and he plays better?

Its about winning. That's the bottom line and that is what this coach is doing. He's 27-2 since late Nov.

Cut the freak and let Marks play.

They don't play the same style as the Suns. 8 man rotations might be fine if you're walking it up half the time, playing 2 man games while the rest of the team stands next to the gatorade discussing last nights dinner.

The point is it isn't just about Burke. Other guys aren't exactly coming on the court focused in garbage time. If you don't like Burke, fine, I guess he's the only guy not getting the time he thinks he should get. I think it goes deeper and Mike D is the guy fanning the flames instead of utilizing the tools at his disposal.

 

[Lars the Red]

i call Shinanigans.

have you seen what happens when Coach D throws in the benchers? we are proply outscored by a good 10-15 points in a matter of minutes.

if players either a) show that they dont care a shitsworth when given any minutes and let leads dwindle as an act of rebellion or b.) suck so much that they all they know how to do is shoot ill-advised threes all the time.....well then D'Antoni has a right to give them garbage minutes or non at all.

bench players (especially the 9-12 men) have to show that they can play meaningful minutes...whether that means showing that in practice, or showing that on the court anytime. if you want to dick around ala burke then you deserved to be cut.

No one with the slightest idea about coaching tosses in the 'bomb squad', by subbing wholesale. You work one or two in with top 8 guys to keep focus and allow players, who could theoretically be needed if injuries occur, an opportunity to get the feel for playing with the top players in game situations.

Man, you guys act like pros with actual ability are going to shoot the ball in the wrong basket like members of a Special Olympics team. I've played against guys that were top players in the league, and some that were 'oh by the way' players in the league. The difference was the top guys killed you, and killed quick. The 'oh by the way' guys killed you too.....just not quite as quick.

There's some serious talent that never gets on the floor in the NBA. I'd rather be a team that gets all it can out of all it's players, than one that gets more than it should out of just a few.