Do Suns blow it up?

[Mulli]

Hot Take: Minnesota would beat Dallas in a series too.

 

[Proximo]

Hot Take: Minnesota would beat Dallas in a series too.

maybe, but they wouldn’t sweep them by blowing them out in every game.

 

[Proximo]

If that is allowed it would give us more options. Having said that just trading Durant is completely pointless. There is no trading Durant and making the team better. We need someone better than Booker to play with Booker.

It’s absolutely not pointless, the point is to get under the 2nd apron so we get some flexibility back.

I’m pretty sure the team would play better without him because we wouldn’t be so worried about getting him his bad quality mid range jumpers and move the ball more.

 

[Mulli]

maybe, but they wouldn’t sweep them by blowing them out in every game.

Congratulations Dallas

 

[Covert Rain]

It’s absolutely not pointless, the point is to get under the 2nd apron so we get some flexibility back.

I’m pretty sure the team would play better without him because we wouldn’t be so worried about getting him his bad quality mid range jumpers and move the ball more.

Just trading Durant is still pointless. Book can't be our #1. If you are ONLY trading Durant that isn't going to happen. You are not getting a #1 type player in return. So, yes, it's pointless. You have to do more than that.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Just trading Durant is still pointless. Book can't be our #1. If you are ONLY trading Durant that isn't going to happen. You are not getting a #1 type player in return. So, yes, it's pointless. You have to do more than that.

I don't get your logic. Getting under the second apron seems important to me. We're in a 20 foot hole, when we climb out of it then we can deal with whether or not Booker can be a #1 (if he's still with us). We are going to be bad and we are not going to reap the benefits being bad. I guess that's kind of business as usual though considering we have almost nothing to show from our several years of tanking that culminated in drafting DA.

 

[taz02]

Trading Beal is going to be a challenge but he's no more untradable than Durant is, IMO. If we fire everybody and manage to get good value for Booker and a box of animal crackers for KD, Beal will probably start pushing for a trade. Obviously, we'll have to trade him to a team he approves.

It's a tough spot, as you point out the best way to offload Beal is to trade everyone and lose a bunch of games, but it's going to be tough watching high picks go to someone else.

 

[Covert Rain]

I don't get your logic. Getting under the second apron seems important to me. We're in a 20 foot hole, when we climb out of it then we can deal with whether or not Booker can be a #1 (if he's still with us). We are going to be bad and we are not going to reap the benefits being bad. I guess that's kind of business as usual though considering we have almost nothing to show from our several years of tanking that culminated in drafting DA.

My logic is what moves make us better. If Durant ends up being your only move and you just tweak the bench we suck even worse. What I am saying is that if trading Durant leads to other moves great. If not? It's completely pointless.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't get your logic. Getting under the second apron seems important to me. We're in a 20 foot hole, when we climb out of it then we can deal with whether or not Booker can be a #1 (if he's still with us). We are going to be bad and we are not going to reap the benefits being bad. I guess that's kind of business as usual though considering we have almost nothing to show from our several years of tanking that culminated in drafting DA.

The irony is if Ryan McDonough had been able to complete the rumored trade for Shai, he would have drafted two All-Stars in Booker and Alexander.

 

[Chaplin]

There is no logical or realistic circumstances where we trade KD and get under the 2nd apron. None. Every post here nowadays is about some fantasy transaction that isn't going to happen.

 

[Mainstreet]

Frank Vogel says he has the full support of Mat Ishbia going into year two.

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[AzStevenCal]

My logic is what moves make us better. If Durant ends up being your only move and you just tweak the bench we suck even worse. What I am saying is that if trading Durant leads to other moves great. If not? It's completely pointless.

I don't see any path to getting better, at least not enough to make a difference. We could keep the team together, win 45 to 50 games without ever being a real threat to win it all until KD ages out. But if the goal is to win it all, I see no reason to mess around any longer with this group. Recognize it isn't happening any time soon and take our lumps as quickly as possible.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Frank Vogel says he has the full support of Mat Ishbia going into year two.

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Yeah... not gonna happen bud

 

[Mulli]

Yeah... not gonna happen bud

Then maybe they are cursed

 

[Proximo]

Frank Vogel says he has the full support of Mat Ishbia going into year two.

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Kiss of death when the coach is asked that.

 

[Mainstreet]

Kiss of death when the coach is asked that.

I hope so, but Vogel must have had some reassurance to say that.

 

[Proximo]

There is no logical or realistic circumstances where we trade KD and get under the 2nd apron. None. Every post here nowadays is about some fantasy transaction that isn't going to happen.

What? Nobody said it was a single step process. Yes we would have to either dump some traded contracts on a team with cap space or get players on the last year of the contract and let them expire.

If it was the teams priority I guarentee you it could be done within 1 year at the most.

Regardless of how it happens, the point is to start the process asap.

 

[Proximo]

I hope so, but Vogel must have had some reassurance to say that.

Well, it probably wouldn’t be wise if you are ishiba if confronted to tell him before the game I am going to fire you.

 

[Chaplin]

What? Nobody said it was a single step process. Yes we would have to either dump some traded contracts on a team with cap space or get players on the last year of the contract and let them expire.

Regardless of how it happens, the point is to start the process asap.

LOL

Suns fans are certifiably insane.

 

[Covert Rain]

I don't see any path to getting better, at least not enough to make a difference. We could keep the team together, win 45 to 50 games without ever being a real threat to win it all until KD ages out. But if the goal is to win it all, I see no reason to mess around any longer with this group. Recognize it isn't happening any time soon and take our lumps as quickly as possible.

Yeah I think we are saying the same thing but in a different way. I am for blowing it up and using trade pieces while they still have value.

 

[Proximo]

LOL

Suns fans are certifiably insane.

Are you calling me insane because it won’t happen or because it can’t happen.

Because it absolutely could happen, it just takes it being the teams priority.

Do I think it will happen, unfortunately no.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Are you calling me insane because it won’t happen or because it can’t happen.

Because it absolutely could happen, it just takes it being the teams priority.

Do I think it will happen, unfortunately no.

Same. It should happen. But it won’t. They’ll do a Hail Mary pass with a new coach next year, but Book/KD are the 2024 version of the Melo/Iverson Nuggets.

Also rans to their very core.

 

[Hoop Head]

My logic is what moves make us better. If Durant ends up being your only move and you just tweak the bench we suck even worse. What I am saying is that if trading Durant leads to other moves great. If not? It's completely pointless.

Says the guy who thought Durant would make us better. How has that worked out?

 

[Covert Rain]

Says the guy who thought Durant would make us better. How has that worked out?

Dude most of this board thought Durant would make us better as did most of the NBA. Couldn’t resist yourself again to start crap? Typical of you. It’s getting boring man. LOL.

 

[Hoop Head]

Dude most of this board thought Durant would make us better. Couldn’t resist yourself again to start crap?

A lot of us didn't think it improved us, especially at the price paid and have been vocal about that well before the trade happened.