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I just can't settle for Noah, he looks so clumsy for some reason, I think we have enough of that in Shawn Marion already.

nbadraftexpress.com has us taking Brandan Wright, Al Thornton and Acie Law. I think they have the better mock draft record in recent history. I wouldn't be happy with Al Thornton over Morris Almond and Acie Law over Mustafa Shakur though.

They have Marcus Williams dropping to #16 though, I am smelling blood that he could be there with the Cavs pick.
 
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IN the Suns system Shakur might be fine but despite the FG% I still question whether he can really shoot or not, he couldn't for 3 years, but can so far this year. Acie Law is the best Guard UCLA has faced this year, very good defense and pretty good offense, but he's in a more structured system than the Suns play, where Shakur is used to running.

Last year UCLA just abused Shakur when he was on defense, and not just Farmar, Collison was killing Shakur the first game they played and at the time a lot of UCLA fans were complaining Collison wasn't very good.

I think a good measure of how far he's come will be how he plays against UCLA and Collison who is arguably his main competition for best PG in the Pac 10 this year. Can't wait for that game contrasting styles, 2 great teams, really going to be fun to watch.

Now Collison is a kid who when he comes out would be intriguing for the Suns as a backup, but as a UCLA fan I'm hoping that's not any time soon.
 

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I don't want to use a draft pick on Shakur simply because he can't shoot. A PG who can't shoot has no business on the Suns roster.
 

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Are you guys sleeping or something?

Shakur is shooting 55% from the field and 45% from 3. He can't shoot? That might have been true in his freshman season, he has come a long way, even Lute Olson was praising how much he has improved and how he has reworked his shooting mechanism.

What makes Shakur perfect for the Suns is that he knows how to run the break , defend, rebound and rack up assists like no other in the NCAA, he is a true PG.

14ppg 4rpg 8apg 1.5spg 55%fg 45%3s 78%FT 1.8pps
 

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Watching the Loss Column among the league leaders in futility (AKA the Oden sweepstakes). I don't think the consolation prize (Durant) will be a huge disappointment to anyone though.

The tanking competition is pretty stiff. It will be a little tougher for Atlanta to keep from making it look so obvious once JJ comes back.

Memphis 26 losses
Philly 24 losses
Charlotte 23 losses
Seattle 22 losses
Atlanta 21 losses
NYK 21 losses
 

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Nice read on Bill Walker

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/news;...vbYF?slug=roughtranslation&prov=tsn&type=lgns
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By Mike DeCourcy - SportingNews

Mike Decourcy
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Bill Walker is ... een uiterst begaafde basketbalspeler, maar success in het universiteitsspel komt niet zonder moeite. Hij begint slechts nu met het process groot te worden.

Ask Bill Walker how often it feels like everyone around him is speaking a foreign language and he is delighted to see that you understand. "Whew ..." he says, an expression that needs no translation anywhere. "All the time."

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During practice, his teammates and coaches might as well be speaking Dutch. He understands a word here or there, but his arrival at Kansas State well into the season feels like touching down in Amsterdam after having taken only a few language classes. Others try to be patient, but there's only so much time they can wait for Walker to catch on.

It's likely there never has been a freshman quite like him. An athletically dynamic 6-6 small forward considered among the top recruits in the class of 2007, Walker learned in July he would not be eligible to play high school basketball in Ohio. He could have spent a year in prep school, but during the recruiting process K-State coach Bob Huggins presented Walker with this idea: graduate early and play for the Wildcats this season.

Walker became eligible December 16 -- and had a game December 17. One practice, one morning shootaround, and he was scoring 15 points in a comfortable victory over Kennesaw State. In fact, Walker scored in double figures four times in his first week as a college player.

"It's different from the high school level," Walker says. "Just the mental game. It's grueling, man. Sometimes it gets frustrating because you're thinking too much."

Wildcats fans who haven't seen their team in the NCAA Tournament since 1996 wonder when Walker will have this college basketball thing figured out. "They say it takes 21 days to make a habit," he says. "So I'm guessing 21 days. I hope."

Near the end of Walker's second college practice, Huggins holds a small, laminated card that lists K-State's calls for every situation: man-to-man offense, zone offense, inbounds plays. "This is what everybody else knows," he says, waving his hand across the face of the card. "This is what he knows," Huggins says, pointing to two items under man offense and one under zone offense.

Walker will catch on fast, though. He is bright and eager to learn -- or else he would not have dashed through an accelerated program to finish the requirements for his high school diploma in a couple of months, and he would not have already shown a grasp of many advanced defensive concepts in practices and games.

A winner of two Ohio state championships at Cincinnati's North College Hill with celebrated point guard O.J. Mayo, Walker hasn't been the most famous player on his team, even though he has been compared for years to NBA star Vince Carter. They have similar height, length and hunger to dunk the basketball. Carter was a better shooter at the same age; Walker's release is too low, and his shot tends to travel as a line drive. Walker, though, already has the strength, confidence and physical maturity it took Carter years at North Carolina to achieve. Walker is listed at 225 pounds, five more than Carter carries now.

It is no wonder, then, Huggins is eager to use Walker in his schemes even if he does not completely understand them. "The bottom line is we're all trying to win, and he probably gives us the best chance to win in the long run," Huggins says. "In my mind, he is -- I don't know -- one-twentieth of what he's going to be."

A day after his successful debut, Walker was at practice and getting frustrated by the daunting process. Early in a fast-break drill, he floated along the baseline thinking he'd score an effortless reverse layup. Instead, he was clobbered by 7-3 freshman Jason Bennett. Nobody calls fouls in a Huggins practice. "That's going to take some adjusting," Walker says. "You can't make plays when somebody's hanging off you."

Soon after, Walker tried to get revenge while playing defense in the post. Instead of playing soundly and fighting for position, he wrapped his right arm around Bennett and shoved him to the side as an entry pass arrived. Someone called it: foul. Walker responded, in colorful language, that it was his understanding no fouls were to be called. Later there was some sort of confrontation with a courtside chair.

Most any high school star will tell you the greatest obstacle in adjusting to college basketball is learning to play consistently hard in practice and games. That's a lesson in maturity Walker must master, and Huggins would love to teach it the way he would to any other player: loudly and emphatically. The coach restrains himself because he recognizes the unique nature of this circumstance.

"It's coming for 12," Huggins says, referring to Walker by his uniform number. "He's still processing everything, and you've got to let him get through all that. But his day is coming."

With no classes during the holiday break, Huggins is free, like any coach, to practice his team as much as he wants. The Wildcats already are working about 3 1/2 hours daily, between their court time and tape sessions, so Huggins isn't giving Walker additional tasks. He believes that would just produce "diminishing returns."

Walker's early numbers are so impressive -- 14.5 points, 5.0 rebounds, 44.7 percent shooting, four consecutive Wildcats wins -- it seems he has everything covered. But Huggins demands more than stats. His players must defend; they must perform with intensity; and they better be selfless.

That has not been a problem for Walker -- the team does not have a true power forward, so he sets up in the post and assumes rebounding responsibility. But he is getting loads of attention and plenty of playing time without having paid much of a price in practice. Huggins is concerned this could be an issue but figures anyone who chooses not to accept Walker as a teammate doesn't want to win.

Forward Cartier Martin, who gave up his starting spot against Maryland-Eastern Shore to get Walker more minutes, does not expect it to be a problem. "There's no jealousy," Martin says. "We're looking to do big things, and we don't want that to hold us back."

Walker talks about his time at Kansas State as if it's a two-year mission. Because Walker did not graduate from high school last spring, the NBA says he is part of the class of 2007 and, under the new entry rules, off-limits until the 2008 draft. Walker could attempt a legal challenge but probably would not get a court ruling in time to be selected in June. A source close to Walker says that although he might announce he's exploring that option, he ultimately will return to the Wildcats as a sophomore.

That would mean an additional 12 months of Huggins and probably frequent reintroductions to the boundaries of his vocal volume. When Walker is a sophomore, his grace period will have long since expired.

"I wouldn't go to a less demanding coach, because I want to be great," Walker says. "Coach Huggins is going to get on me if I'm just coasting. That's what I want."

Bill Walker is ... an extremely talented basketball player, but success in the college game does not come without work. He is only beginning the process of becoming great.

In plain English, that's the truth.
 

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Russ Smith: I've been reading the Mbah a Moute is slacking this year, what's your take?

Has anyone seen much of Bouldin from Gonzaga? He's not on any mocks that I've seen but everything I've read online and otherwise praises him.
 
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Are you guys sleeping or something?

Shakur is shooting 55% from the field and 45% from 3. He can't shoot? That might have been true in his freshman season, he has come a long way, even Lute Olson was praising how much he has improved and how he has reworked his shooting mechanism.

What makes Shakur perfect for the Suns is that he knows how to run the break , defend, rebound and rack up assists like no other in the NCAA, he is a true PG.

14ppg 4rpg 8apg 1.5spg 55%fg 45%3s 78%FT 1.8pps

DraftExpress questions his basketball IQ. Have you seen different?
 

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Speaking of Walker

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2724691


Walker's season comes to an end with ruptured ACL
By Andy Katz
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Bill Walker went from being a high school senior to college in the first semester. He helped Kansas State pick up two potential key NCAA Tournament resume wins. And, he looked like he was on the verge of leading the Wildcats and coach Bob Huggins toward a top five finish in the Big 12.


But Walker's work is now done for the season, shelved for the next six to eight months with a ruptured ACL in his left knee, leaving the Wildcats to fend for themselves in the league and in a quest for a bid.


Kansas State sports information director Tom Gilbert confirmed Monday afternoon that an MRI showed Walker's rupture and surgery would be performed some time in the next two weeks. This is the second time Walker suffered an ACL injury, going through the surgery and rehab in his right knee in 2003.


The injury occurred a few minutes into the Wildcats' 69-65 loss at Texas A&M Saturday in College Station, Texas. Walker, who had started five of six games, was third on the team in scoring at 11.3 points a game, second in rebounding at 4.5. He scored 19 points in a win over USC in Las Vegas last month and followed that up with 13 the next night against New Mexico.


The Wildcats host Texas Tech Monday night.


Walker was ruled ineligible prior to the school year at North College Hill High in Cincinnati after it was determined he had already played in eight semesters of high school basketball. Huggins had been recruiting Walker for years, starting off when he was the head coach at Cincinnati. So, once Walker was ineligible, the Wildcats sped up the process and Walker finished his final class he needed to graduate. He then took a standardized test, received a qualifying score and got through the NCAA Clearinghouse in time to be admitted as a part-time student for the final few weeks of the fall semester. He was eligible to play at Kansas State on Dec. 17 against Kennesaw State, and despite only practicing one day, the previous day, he scored 15 points in 22 minutes.


The 6-6 Walker was considered a lottery pick whenever he decided to declare for the NBA draft. There were some rumblings among the summer grassroot organizers that Walker would attempt to challenge the NBA's draft rule in 2007. Walker is 19 but he wouldn't technically be a year out of high school (the new rule) until the fall of 2007, making him ineligible for the '07 draft. But Kansas State's staff contended for months that Walker was committed to playing at Kansas State for at least two seasons. Now, that seems moot with his injury likely keeping him out of any action until next fall. He would be eligible for the 2008 draft.


Huggins considered Walker one of the top athletes in the class and rising star. He didn't hesitate to load oodles of compliments on Walker once he was on K-State's campus.

"This is a truly a sad day for Bill and for our basketball program," said Huggins. "He was making such significant strides with our team in practice and was ready to make an even bigger impact in games. However, he has a great attitude in response to the injury and we expect him to make a complete recovery in time for the 2007-08 season."

Gilbert said Walker had a great attitude about the setback. And now he'll have to bring that same intensity to his rehab as he goes through an exhaustive recovery process.
 

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Looking at Joakim Noah, I am strangely reminded of Kevin McHale. He has the same narrow shoulders and freakishly long arms and legs.
 

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Looking through the various draft sites it seems as if France is becoming a hotbed of international talent. I am particularly impressed with what I've read on Nicolas Batum and Alexi Ajinca. They seem fundamentally sound, athletic, and good natured. Any first hand input from European watchers?
 

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Batum is really a great prospect.
He turned 18 one month ago and already has some PT in euroleague (12min 3.7 pt /1.4 rbd /0.8 ast).
Nothing great but he seems to learn fast. In euroleague he had a breakout games (25 min 15pts 4rbds 2ast 2st 1 bl).
He still need to gain some weight but he is really talented. He will be a true NBA player but I hope he will stay in France at least 2 more years.

For Ajinca the story is different. On pure talent he is one of the more gifted 7ft ever... But if he doesn't get stronger he may never see an NBA floor. This year he doesn't have any PT with Pau.

Another Pau young player to follow is Ludovic Vaty. He is Ajinca Teammate in Pau.
He is 6-9/245lbs and very strong and athletic. He is just 18 and I don't know if he still grow up. With Pau he played 4 games for a total of 30 minutes 8 points and 7 rebonds. I heard Pau coach saying he is very happy with Ludovic progress. At this point he rely completely on his athletism and still have to work a lot on his fundamentals.
found on nbadraft.net

http://www.nbadraft.net/2006u18championships001.asp

"Wow, this is as close as it gets to Karl Malone physique as it gets in this age group, he is a beast who has his way with anybody on the inside. There is no one who can deny him position or push him around."



Other prospect to follow:
Yannick Bokolo (PG): A defensive PG. Maybe one of the best defender in europe but still have a lot of work on his offensive game. Very athletic.
Has moved to PG only one year ago.

Antoine Diot(PG): The french PG in the last U18 euro. He is athletic skilled and a natural born leader. Doesn't have play on pro level yet.

Aldo Curti and Pelin are also promising PG but maybe a bit and very short (5-11 and 5-5!!!).

Ali Traore could be a good 2nd round pick but I don't think he will ever turn into something special.

Finally Sidiki Sidibe is supposed to have Shaq body but started basket at 19yo (3-4 years ago) I don't know how good he is now.
If someday he can play basketball, he could be a monster.
 

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Are you guys sleeping or something?

Shakur is shooting 55% from the field and 45% from 3. He can't shoot? That might have been true in his freshman season, he has come a long way, even Lute Olson was praising how much he has improved and how he has reworked his shooting mechanism.

What makes Shakur perfect for the Suns is that he knows how to run the break , defend, rebound and rack up assists like no other in the NCAA, he is a true PG.

14ppg 4rpg 8apg 1.5spg 55%fg 45%3s 78%FT 1.8pps

Wide awake. Shakur shot better from both 2 and 3 as a freshman than he did the next 2 years. pac 10 teams caught on he couldn't shoot, backed off and made him make jumpers. This year UA has so much talent that Shakur is getting a lot more good shots in transition. He's shooting.405 from 3 for the year, shot .396 as a freshman. his shot LOOKS a lot better and obviously it's going in more often this year but he's got so much offense around him he's getting better shots, that's why his assists are up like 40%.

I think he could be intriguing in the SUns system but there's that little problem that D'Antoni doesn't like guards who can't shoot. When he was trying out for NBA teams last year they told him 2 things, you can't shoot, and you can't run an offense. To his credit he worked very hard and improved but I'm not totally convinced yet. He's better, he should be he's a 4 year starter at Arizona who played a ton of basketball this offseason.

And he's not a good defender, never has been, has the talent to be but so far isn't. You can see why he was so highly regarded out of HS he makes some breathtaking plays, but the little things he doesn't do have always been his downfall.
 

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Russ Smith: I've been reading the Mbah a Moute is slacking this year, what's your take?

Has anyone seen much of Bouldin from Gonzaga? He's not on any mocks that I've seen but everything I've read online and otherwise praises him.

Luc is doing just fine it's just that with Shipp playing he went from 3rd option last year to 4th option this year. Shipp is now hurt I expect to see Luc get more shots. he's shooting more jumpers this year but basically his numbers are almost identical, people expected a lot more but he's just fine. Had a bad game against Oregon. Luc got overrated late last year he's not a great offensive player but he played so well in the tournament people got fooled.

The kid from Gonzaga is really interesting, very good passer and shooter, reminds me of Leo Rautins who played YEARS ago at Syracuse.
 

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Shouldn't a top20 prospect be a bit more than a 4th option on a college team...? Especially since he is a wingplayer. I'd never draft Mbah a Moute over most of the likely top 20 picks.
 

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Anybody seen enough of Hawes to have a good idea on whether he's at least KT speed or would thrive in Phoenix? (All my tv time is alotted to the Suns and movies so I hope you folks don't mind the questions)
 

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Shouldn't a top20 prospect be a bit more than a 4th option on a college team...? Especially since he is a wingplayer. I'd never draft Mbah a Moute over most of the likely top 20 picks.

me either I think lottery talk on Luc was a joke. He's a very good college player but NBA teams do not pick 6'7" PF's who can't score in the lottery and right now that's Luc. He's a great kid, I hope he stays 4 years and I hope he has 5-6 brothers who all decide to play for UCLA and are just like him he's what college sports should be about.

But he's not a lottery prospect and probably never will be, just not enough offense.

He's intriguing because he's so good on defense, has such long arms (7'2" wingspan), and plays so hard, but he's just not much of an offensive threat.

he was the FOY last year but Marcus Williams is a much better NBA prospect.
 

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Mbah a Moute seems to be the second coming of Trevor Ariza.

Ooh that's about as far wrong as you could be in terms of types of kids. Ariza was the last Lavin recruit, played one year for Howland and bolted despite being told repeatedly he wasn't ready. Didn't like going to class. At UCLA he constantly complained that he was out of position at PF and it was hurting his NBA stock etc. Luc came in as a SF, moved to PF out of need, and is still playing it this year because he's better than Aboya who most thought was the better of the 2 recruits from Cameroon.

Luc is one of those kids you'd want your daughter to marry, ariza, not so much.

As players Ariza liked to shoot jumpers too much, Luc is doing that a bit this year but just a much better defender much more team oriented player.

If Ariza had played even one more year for Howland he'd be a much better player, problem is he'd still have been the PF, remember that's how Dijon Thompson wound up at PF as a senior.
 

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In the NBA Ariza is an offensively limited, athletic, hustle SF. I think that Mbah will be the same on the next level.
 

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Are there any other good free draft sites other than draftexpress.com and nbadraft.net?
 

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In the NBA Ariza is an offensively limited, athletic, hustle SF. I think that Mbah will be the same on the next level.

I tend to agree I think Luc will stick because he works so hard and defends.

FYI nbadraftnet has pulled him entirely off the 2007 draft list, he's now on their 08 list.

And he's reportedly battling tendinitis in one or both knees this year which is another reason he's maybe not as impressive.

But in general I never bought the lottery talk, he just doesn't have the offense. Great kid though, you can win a lot of college games with kids like that on your club.

People forget after his go ahead basket in the Gonzaga game last year it was him that chased down the Gonzaga player from behind and dove to knock the ball away, Bozeman fell on it, game over. Just an amazing play considering he started under the UCLA basket and caught the kid at halfcourt.
 

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To me, Mbah a Moute seems closer to Luol Deng size than he does to 6'7".


Of course, like Deng, getting his shot down will be critical to Mbah a Moute's success (and also like Deng, I don't think the Suns will be that interested).
 

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The Suns won't have a chance at him but how good is Kevin Durant? Unreal. He reminds me a lot of ex Georgetown forward Reggie Williams but he's 3 inches taller and he's as good as advertised where Reggie never really was.Durant is just insanely good he had 37 points and 12 boards in the 3 OT loss last night and understand he spends much of the game on the outside on offense so 12 rebounds isn't all that easy.

Boggan had 37 and 20 boards for Ok State in the same game including a game winning 3. What a great game that was.
 
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