DRC and a 1st for Kolb?

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Drc + 1st?? Hell no.

 

[Section108]

Drc + 1st?? Hell no.

this ...

Kolb is an avid hunter; he hunts wild dogs with fellow teammate Vick. He asserts that controlling the dog population is an essential part of protecting his hometown's crops. He said, "One dog can ruin an entire field of crops in just one night. They dig up and eat the roots. They need to be controlled.


more this.....

he is still unproven

even more....

Year Team G GS Passing Rushing Sacked Fumbles Att Comp Pct Yds Y/A TD Int Rtg Att Yds Avg TD Sack YdsL Fum FumLCareer 19 7 319 194 60.8 2082 6.5 11 14 73.2 36 64 1.8 1 20 139 9 5

seriously for a #1 he better be a qbof

 

[82CardsGrad]

I've mentioned this in other threads... I just don't get the crazy love for Kolb. What the heck has this guy done to garner such over the top respect?? DRC AND a 1st rounder??? Really??? For Kolb?? That's just outright stupidity....

 

[dreamcastrocks]

this ...

Kolb is an avid hunter; he hunts wild dogs with fellow teammate Vick. He asserts that controlling the dog population is an essential part of protecting his hometown's crops. He said, "One dog can ruin an entire field of crops in just one night. They dig up and eat the roots. They need to be controlled.


more this.....

he is still unproven

even more....

Year Team G GS Passing Rushing Sacked Fumbles Att Comp Pct Yds Y/A TD Int Rtg Att Yds Avg TD Sack YdsL Fum FumLCareer 19 7 319 194 60.8 2082 6.5 11 14 73.2 36 64 1.8 1 20 139 9 5

seriously for a #1 he better be a qbof

You don't want him because of this?

 

[MadCardDisease]

Drc + 1st?? Hell no.

The Eagles must be high if they think the Cards would pay that with other options available.

 

[conraddobler]

Yup. I ask this question. If Philly had McNab and a "Championship QB" on their roster, why would they feel the need to take a huge risk (Locker room and PR) to sign Vick. It doesn't add up. The guy is a second round pick and hasn't proven he's more than a decent back up. I hope they go Palmer or Alex Smith. Hell, even Bulger.

This.

 

[desertdawg]

Love Kolb and although people are down on him in the last post, he is aggressive, can make all of the throws and reads defenses well.

As for the comment about him not taking back the starting job: who was going to supplant the Michael Vick Experience v. 2.0 last season?

A trade for Kolb comes with risk, but this is what the team needs. He is young enough that he can be our guy for years to come.

With that said, a first and DRC is ludicrous and not even Graves would make such a lopsided deal. That would make our secondary worse than it was last season as our #1 CB would either be a rookie or Toler, who is a solid #2 at best

Yeah buddy, but I don't exactly know which I prefer when it comes to Kolb/Palmer. I do know I don't want Bulger/Hasslebeck. Vick took that starting job in Philly by playing like a madman. Most folks know that I am not a Vick fan, but he straight up earned his start.

Kolb was supposed to be their guy, and their coach is pretty good when judging QBs. It was masterful they way they shipped McNaab (also don't want) out, and if they had all the Iggle hopes and future riding on Kolb, I'd say he's worth a lot more to us than anybody else.

2 QBs in this offseason that are sought after...Kolb/Palmer. Palmer has proven he can get the job done, but I have know idea where his head is at, or if it wants to be in Az. All the other QBs (available) are no where near these two IMO.

 

[desertdawg]

When folks are bouncing stats and #s as a reason to not go for Kolb, you gotta remember he is at the beginning of his career, where most QBs #s do suck. The talent is there, the percentages or hang ups will get better with time in the NFL, and our team has a lot of friggin weapons to go around QB right now.

 

[Section108]

You don't want him because of this?

haha nah, just surprised its on his wiki page

 

[az jam]

Trading DRC would be stupid. He made the pro bowl in his 2nd year, slipped this past year as the whole team went in the tank. Now with Peterson. ADub & Rhodes the Cards may have the best dbs in the NFL. We also have a damn good DC in Ray Horton who can teach up our players (finally).

 

[TJ]

Trading DRC would be stupid. He made the pro bowl in his 2nd year, slipped this past year as the whole team went in the tank. Now with Peterson. ADub & Rhodes the Cards may have the best dbs in the NFL. We also have a damn good DC in Ray Horton who can teach up our players (finally).

Love the Horton choice, but let's not anoint him as a good DC until our defensive results increase on the field

 

[Russ Smith]

Yup. I ask this question. If Philly had McNab and a "Championship QB" on their roster, why would they feel the need to take a huge risk (Locker room and PR) to sign Vick. It doesn't add up. The guy is a second round pick and hasn't proven he's more than a decent back up. I hope they go Palmer or Alex Smith. Hell, even Bulger.

Because that's not what they did. What they did is trade McNabb to Washington because they felt they had gone as far as they could with him, they liked Kolb, and they thought they'd prefer to go forward with Kolb as the starter at Vick as the backup rather than try to convince McNabb to be the backup.

As it turned out the Vick who showed up last year was MUCH better than the prior year, Kolb got hurt, and Vick played so well they made him the starter.

They traded McNabb to free up the starting spot for Kolb, not for Vick.

 

[Russ Smith]

haha nah, just surprised its on his wiki page

I suspect it's not real. I looked at the wiki page and saw that is footnote #50. So I followed the link and the link is dead, supposed to go to his bio on the Eagles site but the page doesn't exist. So I went to the Eagles site and found his bio, and I don't see that comment anywhere on his bio.

Says he loves to fish and hunt, doesn't say anything about him hunting wild dogs.

So I'm suspicious that's valid.

 

[Zeno]

“The Eagles, sources told PFW, had a potential deal in place to trade QB Kevin Kolb to the Cardinals before the draft, but those plans changed when veterans were not allowed to be dealt. It’s very possible, however, that the Cardinals and Eagles could reignite those trade talks.”

http://www.gcobb.com/2011/05/02/rep...eal-in-place-with-cardinals-before-the-draft/

 

[Zeno]

Point is, Kolb doesn't want to be in Philadelphia; he wants to have a chance to get a starting job somewhere else, and Reid has promised to try to make a deal if it benefits the Eagles. He already has an offer of a first-round pick in the 2012 draft from an unknown team. The window for the 2011 league year opened and closed quickly last week; players like Kolb, who want to be traded, and free agents who want to hit the market have to wait for the league year to open before moving. That could happen this week if the Eighth Circuit forces the NFL to open doors and end the lockout.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/05/01/mmqb/1.html

 

[bg7brd]

Because that's not what they did. What they did is trade McNabb to Washington because they felt they had gone as far as they could with him, they liked Kolb, and they thought they'd prefer to go forward with Kolb as the starter at Vick as the backup rather than try to convince McNabb to be the backup.

As it turned out the Vick who showed up last year was MUCH better than the prior year, Kolb got hurt, and Vick played so well they made him the starter.

They traded McNabb to free up the starting spot for Kolb, not for Vick.

I'm not buying it.

 

[joeshmo]

Kevin Kolb has got to be the most overrated player to ever hit the trade market. Since when does a losing record as a starter on a team that has been above .500 the whole time he's been on the team and a 73.2 QB rating warrant a #1 pick AND a starter? If we give up anything more than a 2nd round pick for this guy it is going to be a huge disappointment.

Probably the same reasons why the Texans traded two 2nd round picks and a 1st round pick swap for Matt Schaub, and why plenty of other teams were in the sweepstakes. Becuase in limited play time and preseason games, teams thought they saw something in the kid.

Shaub had a 69 QB rating when everyone was slobering over him 4-5 years ago. Texans gave up the equivalent of a 1st for that.

 

[AZCARDSFANATIC]

The Eagles must be high if they think the Cards would pay that with other options available.

After our draft most teams probably think they can get bottom dollar on trades with us. Unfortunately our evaluation of talent would probably say Kolb is worth all our draft picks next year.

 

[Russ Smith]

I'm not buying it.

They publicly said it a year ago, that Kolb was the starter after they traded McNabb.

He started their first game and then got hurt, then he started several other games before Vick's brilliant play put him to the bench. If they were intending to start Vick all along why name Kolb the starter and give him the early starts?

 

[Shane]

No way in hell would i do that trade.

But if you told me DRC for Kolb straight up I wouldn't even hesitate. A possible franchise QB has way more value to this franchise then DRC EVER will.

 

[desertdawg]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/05/01/mmqb/1.html

If they had something already agreed upon I really wish they would have pulled it off before the lockout went back in effect. I don't know how long it will last but not knowing is going to eat at me a bit.

I'd imagine a draft pick or two are involved , I have no idea what current players would be involved, or if the Eagles would even want any of our guys.
That's all guessy guess right now but the motives are what interest me at this time.

Whiz just got a 5-11, hotseat's around the corner with another bad season and not to mention, Fitz probably won't hang around with no Whiz and back to back yuckbutt seasons. We drafted a lot of offense, but no wide receivers, I think Whiz is making some things clear.

In order to stay off the hotseat, Whiz needs one thing and one thing only...a good QB. Everything else is in place now on offense (minus some O-line probs). So I don't see Whiz settling for a Bulger/Hass/McNaab.

Rebuilding with a has been isn't rebuilding IMO, it's a recycled bandaid. With Kolb, it would tell me Whiz is doing everything he can to bring the youthful talented QB he will need.

We didn't draft a QB, I'm all good with that, the one's in the first round were considered questionable, but Kolb has seen some time on the NFL field, and Whiz has probably watched those few games a thousand times. If Kolb is the dude Whiz wants, and does what it takes to get him, then this offseason just keeps getting better IMO.

 

[conraddobler]

No way in hell would i do that trade.

But if you told me DRC for Kolb straight up I wouldn't even hesitate. A possible franchise QB has way more value to this franchise then DRC EVER will.

This I would do, but no picks.

The Eagles are shopping this guy like he's golden and yet he's not their starter, but he was their starter?

This would be like us trying to demand X for Matt L after Warner beat him out, it's nice if you get someone stupid to buy into what you're selling but it's not nice to be the stupid buyer.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Kevin Kolb has got to be the most overrated player to ever hit the trade market. Since when does a losing record as a starter on a team that has been above .500 the whole time he's been on the team and a 73.2 QB rating warrant a #1 pick AND a starter?

I think that title still belongs to Scott Mitchell...

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I've thought all along that the best thing the Cards can do is trade next year"s #1 for Kolb AND sign Bulger as his backup. They would be set with all 3 phases of the QB position, young starter, veteran backup, developmental 3r stringer. The only reason that I would hesitate to trade next year's #1 is that it is such a potentially good QB class. That being said, if you draft one next year, you are still likely 3 years away. With Kolb and Bulger, the division is there for the taking over the next few years.

 

[kerouac9]

Probably the same reasons why the Texans traded two 2nd round picks and a 1st round pick swap for Matt Schaub, and why plenty of other teams were in the sweepstakes. Becuase in limited play time and preseason games, teams thought they saw something in the kid.

Shaub had a 69 QB rating when everyone was slobering over him 4-5 years ago. Texans gave up the equivalent of a 1st for that.

Not for nothing, Joe, but where has Matt Schaub lead the Texans? He's put up pretty stats in their offense (chock full of outside and inside weapons as well as a good offensive line and a great HC/OC), but he hasn't taken them much farther than David Carr was able to. 7-9, 8-8, 9-7, 8-8.

The Houston Texans still lack any kind of leadership--especially on offense. That team is as soft as the Arizona Cardinals are. And that comes down to the guy playing under center having all the skills and weapons but not being able to lead when it counts.