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BTW the biggest goat of the game has to be Brian Skinner.

2 minutes of action and he played terrible defense, missed 3 free throws, missed a wide open 8 foot baseline jumper, and finished with a team high -6.

Congratulations Brian Skinner. I was actually calling for Sean Marks while you were "playing"
once again, he got killed on D.
they made a little swing on him, with his 3 missed FT's, we should have ATLEAST ended the half with 51pts. and thats not counting his wide open jumper.
 
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once again, he got killed on D.
they made a little swing on him, with his 3 missed FT's, we should have ATLEAST ended the half with 51pts. and thats not counting his wide open jumper.

or if he'd have just gone to hole hard on that little nick on the arm and flushed it instead of laying it up and missing and and one like a woman.

what pisses me off more is that our FO (or owner) went into the season with this guy as our only big off the bench. That's pathetic, but for another thread entirely.
 

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Amare isn't some rookie. How about you hold all players to the same standard. Yeah Barbosa is a mediocre player. We all know he is a bench guy. Barbosa also had 8 defensive rebounds

who says I am not? sorry Chris I just don't think Amare blew this game because he took it to the hole. I would take a million stupid charges over a "smart" jumper. I am completely fine with a drive to the hoop, is that a crime?

I also think Amare is a inconsistent rebounder, but I don't think it's because of effort. I think it's because he is directionless on defense and has no clue.

My biggest issue with Amare was the previous turnover where he passed it weakly and got it stolen I thought it was a bad play, I also called him out for missing 4th quarter free throws on several occasions, I just don't buy into the theory that jump shots are better than driving to the hoop.
 
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who says I am not? sorry Chris I just don't think Amare blew this game because he took it to the hole. I would take a million stupid charges over a "smart" jumper. I am completely fine with a drive to the hoop, is that a crime?

I also think Amare is a inconsistent rebounder, but I don't think it's because of effort. I think it's because he is directionless on defense and has no clue.

My biggest issue with Amare was the previous turnover where he passed it weakly and got it stolen I thought it was a bad play, I also called him out for missing 4th quarter free throws on several occasions, I just don't buy into the theory that jump shots are better than driving to the hoop.

but tree, we're not talking about a 20 footer. it was an eight footer. How about sizing up the D before just running into the lane? He said he just got the ball and attacked and never even saw KT there. That's HORRIFIC court awareness. Dude was just waiting for him.
 

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but tree, we're not talking about a 20 footer. it was an eight footer. How about sizing up the D before just running into the lane? He said he just got the ball and attacked and never even saw KT there. That's HORRIFIC court awareness. Dude was just waiting for him.

ok. I am going to go rewatch it right now. brb, I may change my mind. Will keep an open mind.
 

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Eh the charge play doesn't bother me that much. It's easy to make a mistake in a split second. Credit Kurt Thomas for knowing Amare's tendencies and making the right play.

Discredit our owner for making the mistake a year ago that indirectly led to today's loss.
 

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what's one bad play? Not showing on the Finley three? Picking up horrific ticky-tack 5th fouls? Barreling into KT? Getting yourself suspended for an entire game? It's not about just today, it's about a continuining trend that I hoped had gone away but becomes more and more disturbing the bigger the game gets.


you sound like doug franz.
 
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Discredit our owner for making the mistake a year ago that indirectly led to today's loss.

that's a whole can of worms I don't even want to get close to opening. man, that would just be the worst bit of irony if the guy that we got to specifically beat the Spurs ended up playing a key role in the Spurs beating us. ugh. I swear, the Suns are like a Shakespearean tragedy.
 

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you sound like doug franz.

cheesebeef lives in LA. That means nothing to him.

BTW the Lakers fans were almost all rooting for the Suns today. It was funny being in So Cal and having a whole bar rooting for the Suns.

Everyone hates the Spurs.
 

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It could go eitherway, I really think Thomas just made a great play. I still don't have an issue with it.
 

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KT moved under amare at just the right time to get that offensive foul. It was a great play and his back arch was perfect form. Watch it again in slow mo if you can.

bayless2budinger is right about that IMO.

Amare gets called for bs fouls half the time. I'll complain about those. I'll take the charges, because he gets to the line more or gets an "and one" by going hard to the basket.

Giricek instead of Barbosa at the end. He plays better defense. Put Bell on Parker. giricek on ginobili. nash on bowen. (I know Parker fouled out too. just saying next time)

D'antoni should quit smiling like "what are you going to do if they make shots like those?" MORON show some intensity.

anyone can make a 3, its not like it was from half court.
 

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now do you understand?!

I mean, I can understand Paxson for 3... I can understand Elie for 3... I can even understand Bruce Bowen for 3... BUT TIM FREAKING DUNCAN FOR THREE?!

This team finds more incredible ways to lose GINORMOUS ball games than the Cardinals do the run of the mill ones.
Yep.

I can't blame todays loss on anything other than this.......
the SUNS are cursed.
I actually had to laugh at the way(yet again.... year after freaking year) the SUNS put themselves in position to win the big game only to have [insert playoff team here] ANSWER back EVERY,SINGLE, time.
Cursed.
I'll try to add some level headed analysis after my head clears.:(
 

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Amare played a good offensive game (minus getting his shot blocked 4 times and 6 turnovers).

He played a bad defensive game.

He played a pathetic rebounding game. 3 defensive rebounds in 45 minutes of play? That's indefensible. Freaking Nash had more defensive rebounds.

It is what it is. I wouldn't want to get rid of Amare but I wish he put 1/4 of the effort on rebounding and defense as he does on offense.

Did Amare really have that bad of a rebounding game? All your doing is looking at the numbers. A lot of the Spurs shots were bouncing long which is why Barbosa and Nash picked up so many rebounds. Ive seen bad rebounding games by Amare and this wasnt one of them.
 

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who? (and how do you know what I sound like!)



I dont know you but reading your posts sentences in this thread ---just sounded like I was hearing that radio sports guy in phoenix. No offense intended.
 

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I know it was Barbs' man but I know and you know that by this point in the season, no one expects anything out of Barbosa and we're looking for our best player to actually BE THE BEST PLAYER ON THE COURT. That's how series are usually decided, especially when they're this close.

yes, Barbs can't guard anyone - doesn't change the fact that it was idiotic for Amare not to guard anyone either.
:biglaugh:

This is getting ridiculous. You yourself have said in other posts you KNOW Amare isnt gonna make the smart play so you arent expecting him to do so. Yet you criticize him but not Barbosa. You arent expecting either of them to make the smart play yet you single out Amare. Contradicting yourself big time right here.
 

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Skinner was horrific. just horrific. that being said, the only reason he was in the game was because Amare was bound to pick up dumb-ass foul number 3 and DA couldn't trust him to stay in there.
Yes BLAME AMARE AGAIN! :pullhair:

This is getting OLD fast.
 

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KT moved under amare at just the right time to get that offensive foul. It was a great play and his back arch was perfect form. Watch it again in slow mo if you can.

bayless2budinger is right about that IMO.

Amare gets called for bs fouls half the time. I'll complain about those. I'll take the charges, because he gets to the line more or gets an "and one" by going hard to the basket.

Giricek instead of Barbosa at the end. He plays better defense. Put Bell on Parker. giricek on ginobili. nash on bowen. (I know Parker fouled out too. just saying next time)

D'antoni should quit smiling like "what are you going to do if they make shots like those?" MORON show some intensity.

anyone can make a 3, its not like it was from half court.

I really like the idea of Giricek out there. He IMO is actually our best all around bench player.
 

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Knock it off nashman.

I understand you wanting him to knock off those kind of comments but this was created by a guy who was throwing out insults instead of just plain criticism. If you dont want those kind of comments I suggest you start at the top(the op)
 

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Did Amare really have that bad of a rebounding game? All your doing is looking at the numbers. A lot of the Spurs shots were bouncing long which is why Barbosa and Nash picked up so many rebounds. Ive seen bad rebounding games by Amare and this wasnt one of them.

45 minutes of long rebounds? That'a fairly implausible and doesn't match up with the effort I saw on defense today.

But again there are bigger goats that Amare.

Heck even Nash had an average game at best until the end of the 4th quarter.
 

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KT moved under amare at just the right time to get that offensive foul. It was a great play and his back arch was perfect form. Watch it again in slow mo if you can.

bayless2budinger is right about that IMO.

Amare gets called for bs fouls half the time. I'll complain about those. I'll take the charges, because he gets to the line more or gets an "and one" by going hard to the basket.

Giricek instead of Barbosa at the end. He plays better defense. Put Bell on Parker. giricek on ginobili. nash on bowen. (I know Parker fouled out too. just saying next time)

D'antoni should quit smiling like "what are you going to do if they make shots like those?" MORON show some intensity.

anyone can make a 3, its not like it was from half court.

:rockon: Great post.
 

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So Dantoni plays Skinner, why now and not during the year, I wonder. So he can say "See what happens when I play him, he didn't play well."

Ok genius but you play Barbosa and Diaw all year and when they dont play well.........

Skinner will be useful for saving Amare and Shaq fouls if nothing else.
 

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45 minutes of long rebounds? That'a fairly implausible and doesn't match up with the effort I saw on defense today.

But again there are bigger goats that Amare.

Heck even Nash had an average game at best until the end of the 4th quarter.
Of course it wasnt a full game of long rebounds but there were more than usual. Like I said, his rebounding was not THAT bad today. His defense wasnt great but he got into a lil foul trouble usual so that usually leads to crappy defense for him. Something he needs to work on. ASAP

And yes I agree there are bigger goats than Amare today. Why people are singling him out is a mystery. Yes he didnt have a great game but IMO he was one of the top 3 performers today for the Suns.

1. Nash
2. Barbosa
3. Amare
 

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It doesn't matter who guarded Finley on that play. A downscreen was set off of a baseline move. When that is done, the defender of the man who is one the screener needs to switch off. That didn't happen and that is how Finely got his shot off and that is how Nash got his shot off at the end of the second overtime.

This is basketball 101 guys.
 

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