Game of Thrones (HBO)

[slinslin]

Nothing tops the Red Wedding in terms of shock value

Have to disagree!

I can't really comment on this show since I read the book and knew what was coming but it seemed to me that the wedding dragged out too long and the whole betrayal was made too obvious while in the book it comes more out of nowhere.

 

[crisper57]

Have to disagree!

I can't really comment on this show since I read the book and knew what was coming but it seemed to me that the wedding dragged out too long and the whole betrayal was made too obvious while in the book it comes more out of nowhere.

I meant in the books. Honestly, I can't think of a scene that is more shocking in all of literature. I am sure there are some, but the Red Wedding is definitely up there.

On TV, it appears that it was still quite a surprise to most fans, based on the reactions all over the Internet. There are other great twists to come, no doubt, but we don't know how they will be executed on TV, so I can't speak to those.

It could be that those future scenes "shock" more than the RW when they get translated to film, but there are only 2 or 3 additional events that I can think of that will even approach the impact of the RW and Ned's fate.

Of course, there are other kick-ass events as well; battles, maneuverings, betrayals, and such; but those may not sneak up on viewers after this.

 

[BACH]

that's kinda disappointing to hear. It was a really well done scene, but I could see this demise coming from a mile away. I think my lack of complete and utter shock probably lies in the fact that this particular story and set of characters have been stuck in mud for almost two seasons now and I just wasn't as invested in their story as I am others.

Still a very very good episode and definitely has me asking where the hell do the Starks go from here, but the Starks are the least interesting family in the series.

Relax. In terms of shock value there are bigger events coming out of nowhere. The Red Wedding isn't the biggest shock value, but it's the event that takes the last innocence out of the story and smacks you right in the face signaling that "everything" is fair game.

The Starks have a lot more tricks. You saw a pre-view of it in this show

 

[crisper57]

Relax. In terms of shock value there are bigger events coming out of nowhere. The Red Wedding isn't the biggest shock value, but it's the event that takes the last innocence out of the story and smacks you right in the face signaling that "everything" is fair game.

The Starks have a lot more tricks. You saw a pre-view of it in this show

I am trying to think of a single one and failing. There are lots of surprises to come, but which ones do you think will leave the audience speechless like last night's episode?

I can think of moments that are surprises that make me stand up and cheer. I can think of moments that are sad, but not particularly shocking. And I can think of moments that are hugely important, but we see them coming from a mile away.

I am failing to think of one moment in the remaining (incomplete) saga that matches the surprise/impact/sadness of the Red Wedding. Maybe I am forgetting something?

 

[crisper57]

Entertainment Weekly had a poll a few months back that asked if you could be magically be transported to a fictional realm, which would you choose?

--Hogwarts (Harry Potter)
--Oz (Wizard of Oz)
--Middle Earth (Lord of the Rings)
--Westeros (Game of Thrones)

I remember thinking, "Who the hell would want to end up in Westeros?"

 

[MadCardDisease]

I am trying to think of a single one and failing. There are lots of surprises to come, but which ones do you think will leave the audience speechless like last night's episode?

Dude this thread is about the TV show not the books, so I would keep it to what has happened so far in the show to aviod spoiling things for others who haven't read the books.

 

[Mathew81]

A compilation of people's reactions to last night's episode:

 

[Covert Rain]

Have to disagree!

I can't really comment on this show since I read the book and knew what was coming but it seemed to me that the wedding dragged out too long and the whole betrayal was made too obvious while in the book it comes more out of nowhere.

That is probably because you read the book. I know probably 10 people who were talking about this at work. Only a couple had read the books. The ones that all had NOT read the books were int he same boat I was in. Even when it became obvious something was up several people I talked to thought it would end very differently.

 

[SO91]

A compilation of people's reactions to last night's episode:

Saw that earlier today. It's funny to see the book readers smirking as the people around them cover their mouths or faces in shock. Also the dude laughing at his girl made me chuckle

 

[Stout]

I'm just enjoying all the whiny 'oh my God, how can he do this to us', 'why does Martin hate poor wittle House Stark', and 'Martin is a horrible person' crap. People are so shallow. It's called Evil Will Triumph Because Good Is Dumb--at least in the instance of House Stark.

Also, you aren't the good guy any more when you go back on your word and spurn an ally. It doesn't matter how much you apologize, you turn into a douchebag that doesn't deserve to be a king. No, it doesn't deserve the heinous vengeance that Walder Frey extracted, but it makes those fans that view Robb as a shining hero into hypocrites.

There is no good, there is no substance to honor--there is only power. That's the representation of the world in SoIaF, and the sooner people realize that, the less they'll have stupid reactions. Of course, I love laughing at said reactions, so I hope they never realize it

I'm of course not referring to reactions on this board.

 

[crisper57]

Dude this thread is about the TV show not the books, so I would keep it to what has happened so far in the show to aviod spoiling things for others who haven't read the books.

I was just responding to his statement that there were bigger shocks. He can use spoiler tags to keep it spoiler free. bur fine, if you want to keep it to the show, I suppose Ned's fate and maybe Jamie's arc could be as surprising, but they came over the course of several episodes. Can't think of anything, that we have seen so far, that compares.

 

[crisper57]

I'm just enjoying all the whiny 'oh my God, how can he do this to us', 'why does Martin hate poor wittle House Stark', and 'Martin is a horrible person' crap. People are so shallow. It's called Evil Will Triumph Because Good Is Dumb--at least in the instance of House Stark.

Also, you aren't the good guy any more when you go back on your word and spurn an ally. It doesn't matter how much you apologize, you turn into a douchebag that doesn't deserve to be a king. No, it doesn't deserve the heinous vengeance that Walder Frey extracted, but it makes those fans that view Robb as a shining hero into hypocrites.

There is no good, there is no substance to honor--there is only power. That's the representation of the world in SoIaF, and the sooner people realize that, the less they'll have stupid reactions. Of course, I love laughing at said reactions, so I hope they never realize it

I'm of course not referring to reactions on this board.

Well said.

 

[cardfaninfl]

Difficult to decide what I enjoyed more: Michelle Fairley's performance; a boring storyline (that has gone nowhere for more than a season) receiving closure; or the "big secret from the books" being out.

Now those annoying few, that have both read the books and enjoyed the douche attention from dropping hints or announcing spoilers, can all drink a nice tall glass of ****. By the way, this whole time, we didn't think those people were special with their knowledge of things to come - we just thought they were nerd-snobs that are desperate for attention.

 

[DWKB]

So, as a non book reader I wonder if the death of Robb Stark was really at Tywin's hand or at Stannis Baratheon and his witch's hands with the leaches? If Stannis really has that power lil Joffery is screwed (along with Theon's dad that nobody cares about).

 

[JerkFace]

Dude this thread is about the TV show not the books, so I would keep it to what has happened so far in the show to aviod spoiling things for others who haven't read the books.

Unfortunately I had the red wedding spoiled for me on this thread a few weeks back. Seems like this thread should be for the tv show. There is another forum for books.

 

[BACH]

I am trying to think of a single one and failing. There are lots of surprises to come, but which ones do you think will leave the audience speechless like last night's episode?

I can think of moments that are surprises that make me stand up and cheer. I can think of moments that are sad, but not particularly shocking. And I can think of moments that are hugely important, but we see them coming from a mile away.

I am failing to think of one moment in the remaining (incomplete) saga that matches the surprise/impact/sadness of the Red Wedding. Maybe I am forgetting something?

Okay, I might not have expressed me clearly enough. In terms of surprise there are events that surprises you more. I agree with the sadness part.

 

[Heucrazy]

Now those annoying few, that have both read the books and enjoyed the douche attention from dropping hints or announcing spoilers, can all drink a nice tall glass of ****. By the way, this whole time, we didn't think those people were special with their knowledge of things to come - we just thought they were nerd-snobs that are desperate for attention.

Only in 'Merica are you considered a "nerd snob desperate for attention" for actually reading a book.

 

[crisper57]

So, as a non book reader I wonder if the death of Robb Stark was really at Tywin's hand or at Stannis Baratheon and his witch's hands with the leaches? If Stannis really has that power lil Joffery is screwed (along with Theon's dad that nobody cares about).

Can't it be both (Stannis' curse and Tywin's plotting)? The Lord of Light can work his mojo through whatever means, maybe?

This is what I find curious about the series. The Lord of Light has been shown to intervene directly with the events in the story, but the other gods (Drowned God, Old Gods, New Gods) haven't. I really hope the saga explains why the Lord of Light is so hand-on. Is he the one true god or is he something else?

 

[crisper57]

25 GoT Meme's to help you get over the last episode. Some are kind funny. Some are NSFW.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/steps-to-get-over-your-game-of-thrones-sadness

 

[earthsci]

Only in 'Merica are you considered a "nerd snob desperate for attention" for actually reading a book.

It isn't the reading the books that make people the "nerd snob desperate for attention". It's the craving of...

the douche attention from dropping hints or announcing spoilers

that makes them so.

 

[D-Dogg]

Sounds like more of a snooze fest than season 2. Weddings blow ass!

They totally suck, dude. But the parties are a blast.

I was tossing out a clue there.

******* as it may have been.

 

[D-Dogg]

Difficult to decide what I enjoyed more: Michelle Fairley's performance; a boring storyline (that has gone nowhere for more than a season) receiving closure; or the "big secret from the books" being out.

Now those annoying few, that have both read the books and enjoyed the douche attention from dropping hints or announcing spoilers, can all drink a nice tall glass of ****. By the way, this whole time, we didn't think those people were special with their knowledge of things to come - we just thought they were nerd-snobs that are desperate for attention.

Oh please. There are so many more things to spoil. For example:

Spoiler

Get over it.

 

[BACH]

Oh please. There are so many more things to spoil. For example:

Spoiler

Get over it.

Hahaha.

This was the big one, because the shock value of evil absolutely demolishing good. There will be several events like this one. Maybe not as sad and shocking, but definately just as surprising and as big in the overall story.

Hear Me Roar!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn3_f30svQI

 

[Phrazbit]

I (a reader) was watching this with a couple people who had not read and I was in agony the whole episode. They had no clue it was coming until the titular music started playing and even then my friend thought it would get ugly but Robb would probably get away (saved by the Hound was his instinct)... cause I mean... no way a show would massacre this many cast members at once... right?

It was brilliantly played. And Slin, I agree with what someone else said, you only saw it coming because you knew it was coming. IMO it was less obvious on the show because in the book they showed Greywind (his wolf) got vicious and had to be caged from the moment they arrived at the Twins. You may have not know Robb was toast but you knew treachery was afoot.

Even so, I reacted the way many of the people in the videos did. Stunned, I had to put the book down for a good 2 or 3 days. I didnt hate George RR Martin, if anything that turn clinched this as my fav book series I've ever read, I just needed a few days to gather myself. Poor Starks.

This show has been brilliant. So bummed thats after next week its going to be another 9 months before the start of next season, which should be amazing.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Even so, I reacted the way many of the people in the videos did. Stunned, I had to put the book down for a good 2 or 3 days. I didnt hate George RR Martin, if anything that turn clinched this as my fav book series I've ever read, I just needed a few days to gather myself. Poor Starks.

This show has been brilliant. So bummed thats after next week its going to be another 9 months before the start of next season, which should be amazing.

Totally agree! It ain't all rainbows and sunshine in the land of Westeros. I love the fact that no one is safe in Martin's books. Makes me hold my breath with every turn of the page.

I too don't know if I can wait another 9 months for the next season. It's going to be painful!