Going to Lindley doesn't look so stupid right now

[Russ Smith]

We would have won or loss in dramtic close fashion today with Skelton at the helm, he just has more experience. Once Friendley got all shook up, the Elvis in him left the building. I don't know who will be better (Lindley/Skelton) in the long run but I don't much care.

How do you know? how do we know he wouldn't have put up another first quarter stinker and we're behind not ahead the whole first half?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Good lord... Anyone arguing that EITHER Skelton or Lindley give the team ANY chance to win is out of their damn minds. There's no difference between the results those two guys produce.

 

[desertdawg]

How do you know? how do we know he wouldn't have put up another first quarter stinker and we're behind not ahead the whole first half?

I don't know bro. I know he has more experience and he probably wouldn't have turned it over as much under the blitz. Whiz is failing man, don't tase me bro. Who cares?

 

[Russ Smith]

Good lord... Anyone arguing that EITHER Skelton or Lindley give the team ANY chance to win is out of their damn minds. There's no difference between the results those two guys produce.

Exactly, and that's why you start the rookie

 

[kerouac9]

How many games did we win with Skelton this year? Does zero sound right?

I didn't say Lindley would give us a better chance to win, stop putting words in my mouth. I said going to him doesn't look so stupid now because in his FIRST start, he's already better than Skelton was as a rookie. THere's zero upside to playing Skelton.

I never once said Lindley should be the starter NEXT year, I just said after today it's apparent why Ben decided to start him THIS season. Because he knows what he has in Skelton and wants to see what he has in Lindley.

I don't think Lindley is a starter I said that repeatedly in the preseason, but he's a potential #3 next season who can eventually be a #2 possibly. Skelton is terrible, and the problem is Skelton has played too much he's already admitted he's "very frustrated" that he got benched.

The Rams were in prevent in the first half?

And while we're calling people out boy that Darryl Washington is a scrub we should move him to safety right?

I've admitted repeatedly I was wrong about Hall, I haven't one said Lindley is a future starter but he SHOULD be starting now. If Kolb can go next week start him, if he can't why in the world would we start Skelton?

We won the Seattle game that Skelton started and had us in a position to win. Skelton nearly lead us back into the Buffalo game until Jay Feely got a case of the yips.

What I know is that when Skelton got benched for reasons that remain mysterious and you still admit was a mistake, we were up 13-0. Now Ryan Lindley is in and regardless of whether he's better than Skelton as a rookie (and remember that Whis's young QBs always get worse as they get more of his attention) and we're 0-2 and Lindley is throwing TAINTs left and right to go with fumbles and a sterling 6.0 YPA today.

We've gone all this way to come back to Captiain Checkdown. Well, at least we're not paying Leinart $25 million (or something).

So you're spin right now is that "going to Lindley doesn't look so stupid right now" not because you were doing a premature victory dance, but because you're amped up that Skelton won't be the #3 QB in 2013?

Ooookay, Russ.

 

[kerouac9]

Seriously, Russ... How dumb do you feel right now that you posted this thread right before Lindley came out and failed to have a drive longer than 3 plays until the Rams really were in prevent--which doesn't count, according to you?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Seriously, Russ... How dumb do you feel right now that you posted this thread right before Lindley came out and failed to have a drive longer than 3 plays until the Rams really were in prevent--which doesn't count, according to you?

good lord... really? did someone piss in your cheerios? haven't you made your point already in this thread?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Russ is right that going to Lindley was smart. Only because after this experiment nobody will think he's an actual NFL QB and there won't be a vocal minority of kool-aid drinkers defending terrible play like there was for Skelton the last couple offseasons, Kolb after 2011, and Leinart before them. At last for the first time in awhile there will be no QB on the roster that the front office can BS the masses into believing is capable which will force their hands into actually doing something about the position. And my guess is that will be our first overall pick.

So yes, it was smart.

 

[kerouac9]

Russ is right that going to Lindley was smart. Only because after this experiment nobody will think he's an actual NFL QB and there won't be a vocal minority of kool-aid drinkers defending terrible play like there was for Skelton the last couple offseasons, Kolb after 2011, and Leinart before them. At last for the first time in awhile there will be no QB on the roster that the front office can BS the masses into believing is capable which will force their hands into actually doing something about the position. And my guess is that will be our first overall pick.

So yes, it was smart.

:slowclap:

Bravo!

 

[az1965]

Russ is right that going to Lindley was smart. Only because after this experiment nobody will think he's an actual NFL QB and there won't be a vocal minority of kool-aid drinkers defending terrible play like there was for Skelton the last couple offseasons, Kolb after 2011, and Leinart before them. At last for the first time in awhile there will be no QB on the roster that the front office can BS the masses into believing is capable which will force their hands into actually doing something about the position. And my guess is that will be our first overall pick.

So yes, it was smart.

LOL!

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

We'll try to trade for Rivers or Romo first is my guess. I don't see us going after Alex Smith, he just doesn't fit schematically with Whiz who wants to make plays downfield but who knows. If we land one of them Kolb is gone end of story and we sign a career backup stopgap guy. Now if we draft someone my guess is we convince Kolb to restructure and take less money with the dangling carrot being that he gets the starting job if the kid isn't ready.

Skelton is toast. I suppose maybe Lindley hangs around as a third stringer but he'll hopefully never see the field again after this season.

 

[DoTheDew]

When you're on a huge losing streak, you almost *have to* try the rookies. We weren't making the playoffs regardless. Sticking with Skelton is a very low reward move. You know he's not winning you anything of value this season. If Lindley, by some dumb luck, had shown something, the coach is a genius. Instead, Lindley failed and we're exactly where we'd have been with Skelton. 4-7.

 

[D-Dogg]

D-dogg why do you keep mentioning Skelton? You keep telling me how much worst he is than Lindley. I don't want either one of them. Lindley has shown more promise than Skelton, but I never liked either. They are basically the same guy to me. Whiz likes overachievers. Too bad they usually flash promise then suck terribly. I never had high hopes for Skelton.


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Because he's our only other alternative.

And I never, ever, ever want to see Skelton again. Like, ever.


I already said to bring in someone new next year to compete for the job, but let Lindley play out the string and he might prove to be a serviceable backup.

 

[desertdawg]

When you're on a huge losing streak, you almost *have to* try the rookies. We weren't making the playoffs regardless. Sticking with Skelton is a very low reward move. You know he's not winning you anything of value this season. If Lindley, by some dumb luck, had shown something, the coach is a genius. Instead, Lindley failed and we're exactly where we'd have been with Skelton. 4-7.

You and Whiz might feel that way but not I. The gameplan was working in the beginning and then we got away from it. In the first halves, it seems we try and stick to a balanced attack, and we are usually winning at halftime. Second half we go out and get out coached, out scored, and we ask way to much out of any QB not named Warner. I don't start 6th round rookies unless nobody else is healthy, because you should already have secured 2 different QBs that are better than a 6th round rookie.

 

[kerouac9]

We'll try to trade for Rivers or Romo first is my guess. I don't see us going after Alex Smith, he just doesn't fit schematically with Whiz who wants to make plays downfield but who knows. If we land one of them Kolb is gone end of story and we sign a career backup stopgap guy. Now if we draft someone my guess is we convince Kolb to restructure and take less money with the dangling carrot being that he gets the starting job if the kid isn't ready.

Skelton is toast. I suppose maybe Lindley hangs around as a third stringer but he'll hopefully never see the field again after this season.

I think it depends on whether Whis is still here--it's weird reading in Bickley that Whis could refuse to fire Grimm and Miller and instead settle on a severance package.

If Whis is still here, we'll either reach for a QB with that Top 10 pick, or we won't draft one at all (IMO). If we don't draft one in the first round (and I wonder if we were ready to draft Blane Gabbert until Whis and--maybe--Fitz talked Michael Bidwill out of it), then we stick with Kolb and sign some veteran castoff as the #2.

If Whis is gone, we might be able to force a pay cut on Kolb, saying we'll just start a kid if you don't take it. If Whis is still here, I think that Kolb's agent just points out that every QB that they've brought in has been worse than the previous one (IMO Kolb is worse than Derek Anderson--yup), and dares this coaching staff put lay their jobs on a panic rookie selection.

 

[Duckjake]

Russ is right that going to Lindley was smart. Only because after this experiment nobody will think he's an actual NFL QB and there won't be a vocal minority of kool-aid drinkers defending terrible play like there was for Skelton the last couple offseasons, Kolb after 2011, and Leinart before them. At last for the first time in awhile there will be no QB on the roster that the front office can BS the masses into believing is capable which will force their hands into actually doing something about the position. And my guess is that will be our first overall pick.

So yes, it was smart.

Yes there will. Several believe the only reason Kolb didn't win his last two games and his numbers were dropping drastically was the poor pass protection and that the Cards can win with Kolb once Levi returns and with Potter and Massie in the mix.

 

[machgman]

Except for the mindless Haters, suddenly Skelton's 69 QB rating with 7 dropped passes that hit receivers in their hands against Green Bay does not look so bad as Lindley's 44 QB rating against the Rams who barely blitzed him. When they did, he fell apart. Sure, the kid MIGHT get better, but his play was really a failure when Whiz said Lindley knew how to pass and run a pro style offense as demonstrated so well in practices just as Max Hall did before to fool Whiz into thinking he had a really promising QB to start. If the Cards want a chance to win any of their remaining games, now is NOT the time to continue the Lindley experiment.

 

[D-Dogg]

Except for the mindless Haters, suddenly Skelton's 69 QB rating with 7 dropped passes that hit receivers in their hands against Green Bay does not look so bad as Lindley's 44 QB rating against the Rams who barely blitzed him. When they did, he fell apart. Sure, the kid MIGHT get better, but his play was really a failure when Whiz said Lindley knew how to pass and run a pro style offense as demonstrated so well in practices just as Max Hall did before to fool Whiz into thinking he had a really promising QB to start. If the Cards want a chance to win any of their remaining games, now is NOT the time to continue the Lindley experiment.

6.3 rating against the bills....third year qb with double digit starts.

44 rating because of four picks...rookie qb in first start.

Hmmmm.

Newsflash! Rookie qb baited into picks!

Lindley will get better...how much? Probably not a ton. But Skelton will not get better. That ship sailed..into an iceberg.

 

[kerouac9]

6.3 rating against the bills....third year qb with double digit starts.

44 rating because of four picks...rookie qb in first start.

Hmmmm.

Newsflash! Rookie qb baited into picks!

Lindley will get better...how much? Probably not a ton. But Skelton will not get better. That ship sailed..into an iceberg.

What makes you so sure that Lindley will get better when Skelton, Kolb, Max Hall, etc., etc. failed to get better once Ken Whisenhunt turned his eye on them? Every QB excepting Kurt Warner has gotten worse the more time they've been privileged to spend with Coach.

If neither guy has a future as an NFL starting QB--and neither does--then why not go with the guy who's shown that he can win games?

It's sad to me that you understand that your argument is so bereft of value that you point to the Buffalo game where Skelton had all of 10 attempts but still positioned us to win the game in overtime as your example.

 

[D-Dogg]

It's sad to me that you understand that your argument is so bereft of value that you point to the Buffalo game where Skelton had all of 10 attempts but still positioned us to win the game in overtime as your example.

Fine, let's play that game. Let's dial it back exactly one year ago, and look at Skeltons eighth and ninth starts, shall we?

At san fran he was a scintilating 6 for 19 for 99 yards, no TDs and 3 INT. Wonderful 10.5 rating.

As a followup performance, he had a blistering 30 even rating, with a 12 for 23, 114 yard and 2 INT performance against the Rams.

If neither guy has a future as an NFL starting QB--and neither does--then why not go with the guy who's shown that he can win games?

Skelton hasn't shown us he can win games this year. I have absolutely no faith in him, and he won't be on the roster next season. Lindley likely will be, so it would be good to have him get experience so he'll be a seasoned backup.

Unless you are harboring some hope that we will squeak into the playoffs...because that's not happening.

What makes you so sure that Lindley will get better when Skelton, Kolb, Max Hall, etc., etc. failed to get better once Ken Whisenhunt turned his eye on them? Every QB excepting Kurt Warner has gotten worse the more time they've been privileged to spend with Coach.

Very good point, can't argue that. I think he'll get better on sheer reps and timing/rapport with the WR corps, nothing more. But you're right, he'll get infected by the system and ultimately peter out, a' la Skelton.

 

[Mulli]

Excellent for going 4-12 the hard way!

 

[PJ1]

Dewey defeats Truman

 

[kerouac9]

Fine, let's play that game. Let's dial it back exactly one year ago, and look at Skeltons eighth and ninth starts, shall we?

At san fran he was a scintilating 6 for 19 for 99 yards, no TDs and 3 INT. Wonderful 10.5 rating.

As a followup performance, he had a blistering 30 even rating, with a 12 for 23, 114 yard and 2 INT performance against the Rams.

LOL. Of course, in his sixth and seventh starts, Skelton had 4 TDs against 2 INTs and 80+ QB ratings. And in the next two games where he had the majority of play time, he completed greater than 60% of his passes with 4 TDs and 3 INTs. But why look at the context when you can just cherry pick his worst games and point them out as his average play.

 

[Russ Smith]

We won the Seattle game that Skelton started and had us in a position to win. Skelton nearly lead us back into the Buffalo game until Jay Feely got a case of the yips.

What I know is that when Skelton got benched for reasons that remain mysterious and you still admit was a mistake, we were up 13-0. Now Ryan Lindley is in and regardless of whether he's better than Skelton as a rookie (and remember that Whis's young QBs always get worse as they get more of his attention) and we're 0-2 and Lindley is throwing TAINTs left and right to go with fumbles and a sterling 6.0 YPA today.

We've gone all this way to come back to Captiain Checkdown. Well, at least we're not paying Leinart $25 million (or something).

So you're spin right now is that "going to Lindley doesn't look so stupid right now" not because you were doing a premature victory dance, but because you're amped up that Skelton won't be the #3 QB in 2013?

Ooookay, Russ.

the point is if either of these guys are playing next season we're not good. We have to get a better QB.

I said I would have gone back to Skelton in the atlanta game, i would have started him yesterday too, but after seeing the game I wouldn't start him again.

I can see what Whiz is thinking I know Skelton can't do it so I'm going to find out if Lindley can. IMO one of those guys is the #3 QB next season, he's trying to find out which one.

I don't know if Whiz survives this but honestly the best thing for the franchise is to play Lindley right now and see if he's worth developing.

 

[Russ Smith]

Seriously, Russ... How dumb do you feel right now that you posted this thread right before Lindley came out and failed to have a drive longer than 3 plays until the Rams really were in prevent--which doesn't count, according to you?

They weren't in a prevent, you seriously think NFL teams go into prevents at the start of games?

They were in a base defense. Once they realized Whiz wasn't going to completely turtle and not throw the ball they started to change some things up and confused Lindley and he faltered.

At the half he had 180 + yards passing and was just under 8 YPA, that wasn't a prevent that was him taking what was given to him. 2nd half it changed.

I didn't say he's awesome we have our QB I said I now see why Whiz went to him, because he's actually got more upside than Skelton.