Best is a word best left out of a Cardinal QB conversation, I'll give you that.
Going to Lindley doesn't look so stupid right now
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Let me guess, the last guy to finish a full season playing all games as a QB? Or is that who you want us to get?
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Warner missed one game in 2007, played all 16 in 2008, and missed one more in 2009. Skelton has missed no games due to injury. Meanwhile Kolb probably has missed 20 games in the last three years due to injury.
Not even close.
Kolb coming back at his full salary with those facts is absurdity even with him being the least terrible quarterback on the roster.
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Fair enough, but the Cards have to have something in the pipe as a legitimate alternative. If Kolb comes back for the last two weeks, completes 63% of his passes with 4 TDs and 1 INT and the Cards go 1-1, the Cards are going to have to make a choice.
And they have to make a choice before the beginning of the new league year, because Kolb is due a $2 million roster bonus on or around March 1. Would the Cards rather have nothing (meaning John Skelton and Ryan Lindley) or hope that Kevin Kolb can play in 6-8 games and be competitive before a rookie takes over?
There isn't much to be inspired by on the free agent market for veteran quarterbacks in 2013.
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Since we have already played ourselves out of the playoffs I truly hope Whiz sticks with Lindley for the rest of the season (unless he only gets worse from this Rams game) otherwise we might take the chance of ruining whatever confidence he has. If this kid has any chance of becoming a good QB and the way he played during stretches of that Rams game would make me believe that he has a chance, but I get the feeling that Whiz will do whatever is worse for Lindley and not the other way around.
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I agree. But like I said my guess is we are either going to try and swing a deal for Rivers/Romo and if unsuccessful draft a QB with our first pick. In either case Kolb is toast unless the rookie QB situation happens and he takes a paycut. I know you're an Alex Smith guy but I just don't see it happening although if he becomes available it could make sense as he'll be extra-motivated to destroy Harbaugh. Smith just doesn't fit well systemically and Whiz doesn't seem interested in tailoring an offense around his talent more making them fit into what he wants to do.
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kerouac9
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I think that Alex Smith was the best that was available at the time for cost. There's no chance that Smith comes to play for the Cards, or that he'd succeed here. I'm not sure that Whis can make any quarterback successful unless it's a Phil Rivers type who's just an ****** who is going to stand strong about what he can and can't do. It'd be awesome to see Whis have to work with Jay Cutler.
The problem is one of timing: the Cards would have to release Kolb March 1, before they really start doing their draft prep, but some two months after the Senior Bowl. If the Cards release Kolb (and they won't--I'll bet he takes a pay cut, but he'd be dumb to), they're burning the ships behind him because they'd have to bring in a stop-gap veteran starter and a rookie that can take over midway through the year.
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He doesn't. The hope is he's the 3rd QB next year and maybe down the line the #2.
the odds of him being Tom Brady are very slim, Brady was well over 60% in college in the big 10. Lindley under 60 playing much weaker competition. He has a great arm, he's more accurate than Skelton, but he's never going to be a good starter IMO. the thing is neither is Skelton so why continue to play him?
If we were winning games with Skelton it would be different but we weren't this season. The delusion here is that because Skelton was a starter for us, he's a starter, he's not, he shouldn't even be a #2 on a good team. He's way too inaccurate we have enough evidence to see that.
We don't have a starter right now, Kolb is the closest and he's hurt. We're playing backups.
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I would guess Lindley is not the answer but I liked what I saw from him yesterday and am not going to rip him. He made some very nice throws and, as expected, some horrendous throws. I think he could be servicable once the games slows down for him. He and Fitz weren't on the same page a few times but that was also to be expected. Overall, I was more encouraged than discouraged from what I saw out of him.
I think it's pretty pre-mature for anybody to make judgements as to whether he can be a starter or never more than a #3. He was vastly imporved over the fiasco in Atlanta. We'll see. He definitely has the arm for the NFL.
I think it's pretty pre-mature for anybody to make judgements as to whether he can be a starter or never more than a #3. He was vastly imporved over the fiasco in Atlanta. We'll see. He definitely has the arm for the NFL.
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I think that is an honest and fair assessment.
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I'm also going to say its a fair & honest statement that Lindley isn't the answer. The odds are astronomical the kid is anything more than a career backup at best!!!
I just don't get why we basically never gamble (outside of Kolb) to try to get a franchise QB thru trade...it's time.
Like I said last year, why the Cards didn't dangle three 1s & three 2s in front of the Colts & Rams is beyond me.
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I'm guessing it would have cost us more for that trade than it did Washington considering they had the 6th pick initially, but we had the 13th. Ultimately it took guts for Washington to do that because if it didn't work out they would have been set back for years.I'm also going to say its a fair & honest statement that Lindley isn't the answer. The odds are astronomical the kid is anything more than a career backup at best!!!
I just don't get why we basically never gamble (outside of Kolb) to try to get a franchise QB thru trade...it's time.
Like I said last year, why the Cards didn't dangle three 1s & three 2s in front of the Colts & Rams is beyond me.
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I'm also going to say its a fair & honest statement that Lindley isn't the answer. The odds are astronomical the kid is anything more than a career backup at best!!!
I just don't get why we basically never gamble (outside of Kolb) to try to get a franchise QB thru trade...it's time.
Like I said last year, why the Cards didn't dangle three 1s & three 2s in front of the Colts & Rams is beyond me.
We took Leinart...
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The skins gave up less than what I stated
Buckybird
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And? Did you read what I wrote? This has nothing to do with Leinart
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I'm also going to say its a fair & honest statement that Lindley isn't the answer. The odds are astronomical the kid is anything more than a career backup at best!!!
I just don't get why we basically never gamble (outside of Kolb) to try to get a franchise QB thru trade...it's time.
Like I said last year, why the Cards didn't dangle three 1s & three 2s in front of the Colts & Rams is beyond me.
We do gamble just not as often as I like. Kolb and Leinart are fine examples that we gave a boatload of money too and it didn't pay off. We offered former MVP Warner a good chunk of change once upon a time as well and it paid off although not initially. The problem is the FO has too long of a leash.
Look at Seattle. All within a 24 month span they traded for Tarvaris Jackson and Charlie Whitehurst (who promptly both bombed) as well as signing Matt Flynn to big money and as insurance drafting Russel Wilson in round 3. That's how important the position is.
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So we aren't the only one who has trouble picking QBs, they just got lucky (so far) on a 3rd rounder.
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You make your own luck. I'd be willing to bet had it been the Cardinals who traded for TJack and Whitehurst we'd still might be starting one of them and would not have drafted Russell Wilson.
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Not many QBs past the 2nd rounder are anything more than average...so IMO it was luck.
