Goran Dragic traded to Heat

[sunsfan88]

Dragic's departure

The Suns believe something happened or someone got to Dragic over the break. There was a feeling Dragic would be content if the Suns traded Isaiah Thomas. When Dragic returned, he said he wanted out regardless on Tuesday.

"Up until three days before everybody left for All-Star break, he was fine if certain things happened," Hornacek said, not mentioning a Thomas trade. "It was shocking to all of us with him saying it doesn't matter. He's not signing back."

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2015/02/20/need-suns-adjust-brandon-knight/23779803/

Dragic did take a pic with his agent's son in Hawaii during the All Star break and post it on Twitter. I wonder if the agent did some heavy brain washing then.

 

[Mainstreet]

They have been dealt with various injuries for most of the season. Only OKC has had more injuries among contending teams iirc.

The Suns would be a darling in the East.

 

[Mainstreet]

Dragic did take a pic with his agent's son in Hawaii during the All Star break and post it on Twitter. I wonder if the agent did some heavy brain washing then.

A man's responsible for his own behavior. I wonder how much money the Heat will throw at him?

 

[SirStefan32]

Someone talked some sense into him maybe, or he just finally cleared his head and decided to stop the Suns from walking all over him. Either way, good for him!

 

[Mainstreet]

Someone talked some sense into him maybe, or he just finally cleared his head and decided to stop the Suns from walking all over him. Either way, good for him!

I don't understand your thinking on this. The Suns drafted him, signed his brother and would have to pay him at least Bledsoe salary to keep him. Dragic had all the chips in his favor. He didn't have to throw the Suns under the bus at the trade deadline.

 

[sunsfan88]

In light of the Bosh injury, it looks like Miami may be signing a former teammate of Goran Dragic soon

https://twitter.com/IraHeatBeat/status/569281221978681344

 

[SirStefan32]

I don't understand your thinking on this. The Suns drafted him, signed his brother and would have to pay him at least Bledsoe salary to keep him. Dragic had all the chips in his favor. He didn't have to throw the Suns under the bus at the trade deadline.

They forced him to play SG and SF exclusively, they made him a fourth option. NOTHING was in his favor.

 

[Mainstreet]

They forced him to play SG and SF exclusively, they made him a fourth option. NOTHING was in his favor.

Let's agree to disagree. I believe cream rises to the top.

 

[devilalum]

Players that don't accept or understand their role are nothing but trouble. The Suns shed themselves of 3 such players in about 15 minutes. I look forward to seeing how the chemistry develops now that some of the pressure has been released.

 

[slinslin]

Amazing performance by Dragic so far.

 

[95pro]

Chalmers with something to prove.

 

[SirStefan32]

Ugly game all around.

 

[sunsfan88]

Ugly game all around.

Dragic was apparently given a crash course of Miami's playbook 3 hours before the game. It's gonna take time for him to get accustomed there especially they don't really run a free flowing offense.

 

[BC867]

Let's agree to disagree. I believe cream rises to the top.

In bowling, absolutely. Even in golf, where you are dealing with the elements, even though competing.

But in basketball, hockey, socker, football, where it is you against another player, you can't rise if you are bumped to a position that you are not fit (either physically or skillfully) to handle.

How could Dragic (who signed with the Suns twice as a Point Guard) rise to the top finding himself playing Shooting Guard and Small Forward?

He sure made his mark when Bledsoe missed a half season and Dragic moved back to the Point.

 

[Phrazbit]

Miami got drilled by at home by a team who lost two their best player and best bench guy in the first quarter.

That team is 8 under in the East. Trading for Dragic was a dumb move by their part. A bandaid for an old team that is simply not good.

 

[Phrazbit]

In bowling, absolutely. Even in golf, where you are dealing with the elements, even though competing.

But in basketball, hockey, socker, football, where it is you against another player, you can't rise if you are bumped to a position that you are not fit (either physically or skillfully) to handle.

How could Dragic (who signed with the Suns twice as a Point Guard) rise to the top finding himself playing Shooting Guard and Small Forward?

He sure made his mark when Bledsoe missed a half season and Dragic moved back to the Point.

Its ironic that previously he had only been playing PG, and he finally reached his pinnacle, and his teams pinnacle in wins, during a season in which he spent a ton of time at SG.

The guy is not a distributor, never has been, never will be.

 

[JCSunsfan]

In bowling, absolutely. Even in golf, where you are dealing with the elements, even though competing.

But in basketball, hockey, socker, football, where it is you against another player, you can't rise if you are bumped to a position that you are not fit (either physically or skillfully) to handle.

How could Dragic (who signed with the Suns twice as a Point Guard) rise to the top finding himself playing Shooting Guard and Small Forward?

He sure made his mark when Bledsoe missed a half season and Dragic moved back to the Point.

Because Goran Dragic is not that good as a pg. He becomes a one man show. He is called the one man fast break because he does not distribute on the fB. He is a combo guard and played in the perfect position for him along side Eric Bledsoe last year. His stats dropped a little, but the team was better.

 

[KloD]

Miami got drilled by at home by a team who lost two their best player and best bench guy in the first quarter.

That team is 8 under in the East. Trading for Dragic was a dumb move by their part. A bandaid for an old team that is simply not good.

It's not even a bandaid, It's going to be a major thorn in the big toe. They are going to give this guy $100 million. Personally I thank the Dragic Queen for being such a prima donna and saving the Suns for giving him that contract. Now if the Suns can just find a way to trade these ignorant Suns "fans". Maybe the Heat can have a Dragic sweaty jock give away night? That will surely bring 'em.

 

[AzStevenCal]

It's not even a bandaid, It's going to be a major thorn in the big toe. They are going to give this guy $100 million. Personally I thank the Dragic Queen for being such a prima donna and saving the Suns for giving him that contract. Now if the Suns can just find a way to trade these ignorant Suns "fans". Maybe the Heat can have a Dragic sweaty jock give away night? That will surely bring 'em.

I don't see it. I believe he's been convinced that LA, at a minimum, will offer him the max. But if the Lakers don't step up I think he'll have to sign at a far more reasonable price, more like Bledsoe numbers.

Steve

 

[KloD]

I don't see it. I believe he's been convinced that LA, at a minimum, will offer him the max. But if the Lakers don't step up I think he'll have to sign at a far more reasonable price, more like Bledsoe numbers.

Steve

Well, I used to really like Dragic as the person I thought he was and as a player. But, recent events have changed that completely. I think all the Phoenix love went to his head. I think he, along with some of these Suns "fans" want to give him the credit for the teams over achieving last season. They forget that half the year he played with Bledsoe and the W/L record clearly shows the team was far better with Bledsoe on the court. They forget that Morris had a career year (as did many others) and was up for 6th man. It wasn't Dragic and a bunch of stiffs, it was a team effort. Right now the general consensus is that Dragic is far superior than I ever believed him to be and I at this point see his agent able to get him a max based on his inflated value. His contract will certainly hurt the team that gives it to him The Suns FO will have to wade through all the ignorance from the media and so called "fans" for a bit, but in the end they will be proven to have made the correct moves IMO.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Well, I used to really like Dragic as the person I thought he was and as a player. But, recent events have changed that completely. I think all the Phoenix love went to his head. I think he, along with some of these Suns "fans" want to give him the credit for the teams over achieving last season. They forget that half the year he played with Bledsoe and the W/L record clearly shows the team was far better with Bledsoe on the court. They forget that Morris had a career year (as did many others) and was up for 6th man. It wasn't Dragic and a bunch of stiffs, it was a team effort. Right now the general consensus is that Dragic is far superior than I ever believed him to be and I at this point see his agent able to get him a max based on his inflated value. His contract will certainly hurt the team that gives it to him The Suns FO will have to wade through all the ignorance from the media and so called "fans" for a bit, but in the end they will be proven to have made the correct moves IMO.

I still like Dragic the person. I think he was manipulated into saying the wrong things and unfortunately, the world ignored him when he tried to scale it down afterwards. I think he played great for us last season but yes, it's amazing how so many people have turned that season into a 1 person effort. Keef, Green and even Frye stepped up for us in a lot of those wins.

Right now Goran is being overvalued but I doubt that the scouting and front office people are as far off the mark as the talking heads and diehard Dragic fans are. He's a good player and deserves a good contract but I don't see someone dishing out a max deal for him. But who knows, with the crazy TV money coming in, maybe they think 20 million per is just a few years away from being today's 12 million dollar salary.

Steve

 

[KloD]

I still like Dragic the person. I think he was manipulated into saying the wrong things and unfortunately, the world ignored him when he tried to scale it down afterwards. I think he played great for us last season but yes, it's amazing how so many people have turned that season into a 1 person effort. Keef, Green and even Frye stepped up for us in a lot of those wins.

Right now Goran is being overvalued but I doubt that the scouting and front office people are as far off the mark as the talking heads and diehard Dragic fans are. He's a good player and deserves a good contract but I don't see someone dishing out a max deal for him. But who knows, with the crazy TV money coming in, maybe they think 20 million per is just a few years away from being today's 12 million dollar salary.

Steve

All I saw was a tweet in which he said he would never do or say anything to diminish his time with the team (or something like that). I guess my reaction was, "Uh, but you certainly did and in a very immature and ignorant way" He didn't apologize. In fact, he never has said what the team supposedly lied to him about. I've always been a Suns fan, never been a fan of a player over team. It's a thinking I've never understood or related too. Fans like Andrew I can't take serious and this board has unfortunately shown to have several of them after this past week. I'm disappointed that Dragic turned out to be a person I cannot respect, but I'm happy he saved the Suns from paying him and I think the team made out like bandits in the horrible situation they were put in. It was fun waiting for that Lakers pick, but I'm way more excited about the Miami picks even though they are a few years away. I'd be surprised if we still have them when the time comes, but they could turn out to be far more valuable than the Lakers pick.

 

[AzStevenCal]

All I saw was a tweet in which he said he would never do or say anything to diminish his time with the team (or something like that). I guess my reaction was, "Uh, but you certainly did and in a very immature and ignorant way" He didn't apologize. In fact, he never has said what the team supposedly lied to him about. I've always been a Suns fan, never been a fan of a player over team. It's a thinking I've never understood or related too. Fans like Andrew I can't take serious and this board has unfortunately shown to have several of them after this past week. I'm disappointed that Dragic turned out to be a person I cannot respect, but I'm happy he saved the Suns from paying him and I think the team made out like bandits in the horrible situation they were put in. It was fun waiting for that Lakers pick, but I'm way more excited about the Miami picks even though they are a few years away. I'd be surprised if we still have them when the time comes, but they could turn out to be far more valuable than the Lakers pick.

I don't remember the exact quote but I heard him say something along the lines of "it came out sounding much worse than I meant it to" and I'm pretty sure there was an apology also but it's possible I just inferred that from context. I don't think we saw Goran at his best this last week, I'd rather remember him playing his heart out for us last season - all the while fighting off exhaustion and playing through a badly sprained ankle. Yes he sometimes gets too much credit for last season but he still earned the lion's share of that credit. Regardless, I'm a fan of whoever wears the Suns uniform (except maybe Scola, Beasley and Longley) so he's just a memory now AFAIC.

Steve

 

[sunsfan88]

Great article on the entire Dragic situation by a BSOTS writer who has a reputation for writing good articles, Seth Pollack

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/2/25/8103507/phoenix-suns-goran-dragic-ryan-mcdonough

I honestly agree with every word even the ones talking about how we might even better in a better situation post-Dragic trade.

 

[KloD]

Great article on the entire Dragic situation by a BSOTS writer who has a reputation for writing good articles, Seth Pollack

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/2/25/8103507/phoenix-suns-goran-dragic-ryan-mcdonough

I honestly agree with every word even the ones talking about how we might even better in a better situation post-Dragic trade.

Sorry, but this article is ignorant and biased.

1) Faulty logic. Because a guy plays unselfish on the court, does not equate to his being unselfish off it. That and Dragic is a shot first PG, it's not like he's a top distributor on anything.

2) He's wrong in claiming Dragic came back to the Suns at a discount. I heard rumors of the Bobcats going to offer him $9m a season, but I've never seen proof that it actually happened. As far as I know, the Suns made the best offer. Now that said, he claims the Suns went too far? Is he joking? I guess that's the main point of this disagreement between Dragic sympathisers and those of us who believe he was wrong. I think it's ridiculous to tell an employer they are to cater to their employees. I don't care if they work in an ice cream parlor or are a professional athlete. IMO his actions were 100% wrong. The Suns can build the team and run the system they want. If he didn't like it, than perform your job and when your contract is up, move on. It's simple really, Dragic being unhappy does not mean the Suns were in the wrong.

3)Dragic calls the Suns liars. Does not say what they supposedly lied to him about. Dragic has never called an employer a liar to the media in the past, therefore he must be accurate and we must assume they did lie to him? This guy needs a class in critical thinking. His logic fails all over this article. Sad.

4) This clearly an opinion. One he doesn't defend. His saying so matter of fact does not make it so. I happen to 100% disagree with him and feel that thinking is very short sighted, but only time will tell who is correct.

5) He claims they hurt themselves, yet offers nothing of proof. Just a claim. More of his stating something as fact with zero support.