Grizzlies @ Suns Sunday game thread 1-5-20

[Chris_Sanders]

What advanced metrics are those? He's having his 2nd best year in eFG%, has the lowest turnover % of his career, and 2nd highest PER. I'm just not seeing these career lows in any stats that carry any weight. I'm not seeing them in any category really.

Win shares especially defensive.

 

[Mainstreet]

Ayton needs to extend straight up on defense.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Rubio has done the job he’s been asked to do which is improve the flow of the offense. Again, another player who’s part of the solution.

Again it's not the player it's what you are paying the player

 

[TJ]

Sucks that every time we’re within striking distance of being the 8th seed, we crap on the court. Doesn’t matter who the opponent is

 

[82CardsGrad]

Rubio has done the job he’s been asked to do which is improve the flow of the offense. Again, another player who’s part of the solution.

He’s part of the solution of making this team better than last season. But he’s not part of a playoff team - at least not as a starter... he’s just not.

 

[TJ]

Again it's not the player it's what you are paying the player

His contract is a damn albatross, but after having no viable option last season, we were desperate for a veteran who can run the offense

 

[Mainstreet]

Final:

Grizzlies 121 - Suns 114

 

[BirdGangThing]

Suns play well enough to compete/win. They simply don't do so consistently.

 

[Phrazbit]

Win shares especially defensive.

That is a cumulative stat... he is on pace for a number that is near his career average.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Can’t respond, so go after the poster.

Stay classy.

I’ll respond. Right now Ayton IS part of the problem. He’s not a good basketball player. He’s almost the epitome of empty stats and no heart and no head. The suns needed two stops down the stretch. Did Ayton’s presence deter the griz? Nope. They took it right at him and he fouled both times. And then to make it laughing matter he throws a point blank backcourt pass. The dude is the very definition of no head and no heart. I don’t care how old he is.

 

[Mainstreet]

Do the Suns need a trade or what? Rubio is the least of the Suns problems.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Sucks that every time we’re within striking distance of being the 8th seed, we crap on the court. Doesn’t matter who the opponent is

I sincerely hope that it changes with health.

I sincerely hope Ayton realizes his talent.

I hope and hope and hope.

14-22 is the reality.

 

[Phrazbit]

Suns play well enough to compete/win. They simply don't do so consistently.

If we stop using some of our worst lineups for huge portions of the game... it'll help.

Tonight stat sheet shows some massive signs that we lost because of our own rotational choices.

 

[1Sun]

Ayton + 10, Baynes -18... and that is with them playing a LOT of minutes together.

Monty needs to revamp his rotations. Tighten them up and use ditch a lot of these obviously terrible experiments.

Don't forget Tyler Johnson -12 in 9 minutes and Cam Johnson -22 in 12 minutes. At least we didn't give up anything of value for Tyler Johnson. How anyone can even try to defend the Cam Johnson pick at this point, however, is beyond me.

Cam Johnson is the most terrible of all experiments. Time to declare him the total bust that he is and cut our losses. Otherwise it will be the Dragan Bender effect all over again.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Don't forget Tyler Johnson -12 in 9 minutes and Cam Johnson -22 in 12 minutes. At least we didn't give up anything of value for Tyler Johnson. How anyone can even try to defend the Cam Johnson pick at this point, however, is beyond me...

Because you like to hope your organization isn't laughably incompetent

 

[BC867]

The Suns lost at home to a team with an equal record.

They are what they are. Not the best of the hopers.

 

[1Sun]

He’s part of the solution of making this team better than last season. But he’s not part of a playoff team - at least not as a starter... he’s just not.

He is more so than anyone on this roster not named Booker, Oubre or Ayton.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Lol Jackson just spelled it out " We had to key in on Booker and Kelly"

Literally not afraid of anyone else on the roster

 

[1Sun]

Because you like to hope your organization isn't laughably incompetent

James Jones IS laughably incompetent. That much is obvious. Replace him with a competent GM and stop trying to rely on guys who clearly aren't NBA players, and then at least there's hope. We can't afford to give an obviously incompetent James Jones the same leeway we gave an obviously incompetent Ryan McDonough. You have seen the horrid results of that mistake.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Because you like to hope your organization isn't laughably incompetent

Are we still talking about the Phoenix Suns?

 

[Mainstreet]

A look at some final stats.

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Lol Jackson just spelled it out " We had to key in on Booker and Kelly"

Literally not afraid of anyone else on the roster

That’s precisely what I saw. They swarmed those two. Made it difficult for them to even get the ball. And no one made them pay.

 

[Hoop Head]

Win shares especially defensive.

He's playing for a bad team, of course that's low. His offensive win shares are middle of the road but his defensive w/s are his 2nd lowest number he's had. Total win share's this year rank 7th of his 9 seasons played. You are looking for a reason to bash him when you resort to quoting defensive win shares and ignoring every other statistical category. Especially when you're only comparing that number to his previous seasons instead of doing so against other players in the league or even his own teammates, where he's 4th on the team.

Saric is 3rd on the team in defensive win shares this year, does that mean he's a good defender? He's 3rd behind Oubre and Bridges, just 0.1 below Bridges though. Rubio is 4th. Oubre leads with 1.2, Bridges 0.9, Saric 0.8, and Rubio 0.7. How much do those stats really tell you?

Again, he's posting career bests in a number of categories like PER, eFG%, assists per game, turnovers, assist to turnover ratio, and points per game. All numbers he can control more on his own rather than statistical measurements that are heavily influenced by being on abad defensive team as a whole.

 

[Sunburn]

Waste of a 40 burger from Booker. Dissappointing.

 

[Sunstroke]

Forum.. Please stop excusing Ayton's affability, gregarious nature.
He's been awful, dis-engaged against more physical big men.
Just like his rook year. I've seen little to no progression in his game.

7 footer who shy's away from contact in the NBA?
7 footer setting screens then lost in the offense. ( 2 different coaches now!) every freakin' game...