Here's your Suns first round pick in 2005 draft...
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cheesebeef said:
Yes, I suppose we do. And no one named Pao is a power anything.
myrondizzo
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do you want to wait for someone else to draft him so that we can have an example. our team isnt like other teams. why should we have to draft like everyone else. a few years back there wasnt very many euros in the league and many people past on parker and G-nob for that reason why wait for someone else to succeed at something so that we can follow the crowd and fight for the few prospects that fit what everyone else and there dogs are looking for. we aren't looking for a next year starter with 21 he will have to come off the bench.cheesebeef said:
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Joe Mama said:
not on this board it doesn't. It's natural - people here were actually tearing their hair out about losing CASEY FREAKING JACOBSEN. People here were convincing themselves that the Sausage King would end up being a contributor for us - you can say that's not true but there were people after the draft talking about how he would be a valued member of the rotation - was it simply because he was white or simply because he was drafted by the Suns - probably the latter.
I've just seen too many people over-evaluating guys like Casey, Lampe, Vroman and Big Jake on this board for years - but I guess people here over-evaluate EVERYONE on this team because we love it so much - I don't know, I'm just leery of the big white guy pick - that's all.
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i love white people! they're kooky...
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cepstrum said:
you're kidding right? Those softies? And since when did Ilgauskas play on a title contednign team? Vlade did one year but his piss poor defense and flopping (SOFT) was one of the reasons they didn't go further and what the hell has Krstic done for a title contending team? Besides the fact that two of those guys also two 7 footers at 280 plus as opposed to 6-9 240.
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cheesebeef said:
Classic overexagerrating here--you're on a roll in this thread cheese. Your only ammunition for your arguement is that he's white. You've never even seen him play, have you? Not only is it racist, but don't you see how incredibly ignorant that is?
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I thought you said power players not power forwards. Regardless, the guy ain't that good. Unlike most people on this board, I'm a bigger college hoops fan than NBA fan so I have actually seen this guy play. Trust me, he's not worth the 21st pick. We should be praying someone like Hakim Warrick is there.cheesebeef said:
Here cheese. Take a look at the list of the top 10 POWER forwards of all time as compiled by ESPN. Lo and Behold, 4 of them are white. GASP!!! No that cant be. White men can't jump. The point is, while there has been a share of white stiffs to play the game, there have been plenty of exmaples of good white power players. Your argument is plain wrong not to mention stupid.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2074360
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What in the hell are you talking about with Collison? His first year was spent on IR. This year he was the 6th or 7th guy off the bench for the Sonics and played EXTENSIVELY in the playoffs. So after one full season of play in the NBA (in essence his rookie season even though he was drafted 2 years ago), you are already saying he can't make it in the NBA.
That is without a doubt the biggest bunch of crap that I have heard in a long, long time.
Do you know how long it takes some guys (especially power players) to come into their own in the NBA? But you are ALREADY labeling Collison as a failure. I guarantee you next year his playing time will increase and he will become a very servicable player in the NBA.
If you are going provide an argument to my thread please provide one with some substance. The Collison argument is NOT.
What in the hell are you talking about with Collison? His first year was spent on IR. This year he was the 6th or 7th guy off the bench for the Sonics and played EXTENSIVELY in the playoffs. So after one full season of play in the NBA (in essence his rookie season even though he was drafted 2 years ago), you are already saying he can't make it in the NBA.
That is without a doubt the biggest bunch of crap that I have heard in a long, long time.
Do you know how long it takes some guys (especially power players) to come into their own in the NBA? But you are ALREADY labeling Collison as a failure. I guarantee you next year his playing time will increase and he will become a very servicable player in the NBA.
If you are going provide an argument to my thread please provide one with some substance. The Collison argument is NOT.
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cheesebeef said:
oh - and for those bringing up a bunch of Euros as proof of good White Power Players int he NBA - please nbote - that's is not what I said - I SAID ON "TITLE CONTENDERS" - there's a difference - just as there is a difference between Euro Big Men and Caucasian big men. At least if he were a Euro with these kind of skills he'd have a chance - but your avergae American white boy - nah - I don't think so.
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Um, my argument's not as dumb as you pimping a guy you've probably never seen play who didn't do squat in four years in college. Collison maybe a "rookie" but he spent four years in college and should be ready to contribute especially seeing in that he was a lottery pick.
And what does it say about your boy Lee considering he was about half the player Collison was in college and Collison according to you will only become a "serviceable NBA player."
Um, my argument's not as dumb as you pimping a guy you've probably never seen play who didn't do squat in four years in college. Collison maybe a "rookie" but he spent four years in college and should be ready to contribute especially seeing in that he was a lottery pick.
And what does it say about your boy Lee considering he was about half the player Collison was in college and Collison according to you will only become a "serviceable NBA player."
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cepstrum said:
You're kidding me right? ANY of those white guys in THIS ERA? No - I rest my case - the game is different now - if you can't see that then it is you who is the stupid one.
Name me one CAUCASIAN PF that has started/played significant minutes on a CHAMPIONSHIP in the last 15 years. Go ahead - find one. You want to make this a broader scope - of all the white power players who have playe din the game - have there been some decent ones - over time yes - over the past 15 years - that have actually contributed to a NBA TITLE - you know - the thing we hope the Suns WIN - NO.
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corrado said:
Agreed. I was wondering about Mao's post myself...
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cepstrum said:
European big men actually have a shot to be good while Caucasian big men don't. Pretty cut and dried. Look at all the guys people have listed as proof of good WHITE PF/C - Vlade, Ilguskas, Yao, Krtsic - funny thing about those guys - uh - none of them are WHITE. Then you have KVH, Raef, Madsen - they all suck - whities shocking.
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Chaplin said:
were you wondering if it was "ridiculously offensive"?
I'm still waiting for SOMEONE - ANYONE to provide proof that there have White PFs on Title Contending teams in the last 15 years.
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Name me one CAUCASIAN PF that has started/played significant minutes on a CHAMPIONSHIP in the last 15 years. Go ahead - find one.
Kurt Rambis isn't that much more than 15 years ago. He wasn't that good, but he started and played important minutes. He was well respected for his defense and rebounding.
Kevin McHale is a great example, but again just misses your 15-year window.
Bill Laimbeer wasn't exactly a "power player," I guess, but he was plenty strong and more than happy to dish out punishment with the best of them.
Your question isn't fair, because there have been only five championship teams in the last 15 years, so it's a very small sample to draw from. Most NBA players are black, so if you take five players and they all happen to be black, that really doesn't tell you much.
Kurt Rambis isn't that much more than 15 years ago. He wasn't that good, but he started and played important minutes. He was well respected for his defense and rebounding.
Kevin McHale is a great example, but again just misses your 15-year window.
Bill Laimbeer wasn't exactly a "power player," I guess, but he was plenty strong and more than happy to dish out punishment with the best of them.
Your question isn't fair, because there have been only five championship teams in the last 15 years, so it's a very small sample to draw from. Most NBA players are black, so if you take five players and they all happen to be black, that really doesn't tell you much.
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we already have our fanchise player and im sorry if you are looking for another superstar at 21 then this draft is going to be disappointing.cheesebeef said:
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Chaplin said:
Over-exaggertaion - do I really need to pull up that entire thread pimping the Susage King? Or people freaking out when we traded dog-crap(you know - Casey - the worst "pure shooter" of all time and two white stiffs) for JJ?
And my ammunition is HISTORY - sometimes stereotypes are true.
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By the way, it's a general characteristic of racists that they add "logic" to their views with the use of bogus semi-statistics. Racist arguments tend to fall apart when examined critically, which is why people advocating such positions will tend to keep shifting exactly what they claim their point is, eventually finding something that can't be directly refuted through hard evidence.
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myrondizzo said:
nice way to make up an argument because, well, you have no answer to mine. Where did I say I was looking for a superstar? I just don't wnat a big white stiff because they are useless when trying to win a title - excuse me for wanting to win a title.
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I think most of this thread is hillarious. I was just putting the picture up because I thought he looked a lot like Zarko. And similar to Shirley.
