How Great is the 2017 draft class?

[Carolinacacti]

Suns are going to trade this years pick to the highest bidder. Bled is the PG

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Suns are going to trade this years pick to the highest bidder. Bled is the PG

There are more good players in this draft than just PGs. Unless by this you mean trading down in which I could be OK with depending on how far of a drop we would be taking and who we would be losing out on by trading down.

 

[Mainstreet]

There are more good players in this draft than just PGs. Unless by this you mean trading down in which I could be OK with depending on how far of a drop we would be taking and who we would be losing out on by trading down.

Agreed, if the Suns should trade down for more assets, they should never trade down beyond the pool of top players.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Agreed, if the Suns should trade down for more assets, they should never trade down beyond the pool of top players.

I'm of the opinion that will be hard to do. I'm not in agreement with the idea that there are 6 or 7 important players and the rest are just typical draft-ables.

I see so many guys like Jarrett Allen, Robert Williams, Johnathon Motley, Justin Patton, Ivan Rabb, Harry Giles, Miles Bridges, John Collins, OG Anunoby, TJ Leaf, Zach Collins that are being ignored as high picks and that's without considering the international talent.

I'd be surprised if at least 4 of those guys didn't make the top 10 in a years later redraft and wouldn't be shocked to see almost any two of them end up being among the 3 best from this class. And most of them will still be there after the first 10 are selected.

 

[hsandhu]

Suns are going to trade this years pick to the highest bidder. Bled is the PG

The way bled has played, I'm fine with him being the point guard.

If the top elite tier is curry, westbrook, wall, Irving, paul. bledsoe is playing in the tier after that with lowry, lillard, conley

But we don't need to trade, if we get 1 we take fultz, can play him at sg. if we get 2 can take an elite player in jackson. Only trade 2, so someone can get ball, if you are sure you can get issac or tatum , even then I might just rather have jackson.

 

[slinslin]

not impressed by Ball against UofA.

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[Finito]

I like Isaac over Ball in this draft for the Suns. He's be the perfect 3

 

[Russ Smith]

not impressed by Ball against UofA.

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Hilarious so you pick a miss from an earlier game? He made a midrange shot early in the first half of the uA game that was good enough Jay bilas gushed about how he got it off so quickly.

This was the perfect game for the difference between him and Fultz, the last few minutes UCLA made play after play and Ball was involved in all of them. Big one handed rebound from behind to prevent a UA offensive board, a steal, a block of Markkanen, a pass out to Holiday for a huge 3 off Welsh' offensive rebound. Everytime UCLA needed a play to win, he made it.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm of the opinion that will be hard to do. I'm not in agreement with the idea that there are 6 or 7 important players and the rest are just typical draft-ables.

I see so many guys like Jarrett Allen, Robert Williams, Johnathon Motley, Justin Patton, Ivan Rabb, Harry Giles, Miles Bridges, John Collins, OG Anunoby, TJ Leaf, Zach Collins that are being ignored as high picks and that's without considering the international talent.

I'd be surprised if at least 4 of those guys didn't make the top 10 in a years later redraft and wouldn't be shocked to see almost any two of them end up being among the 3 best from this class. And most of them will still be there after the first 10 are selected.

This is why my mind entertains, should the Suns miraculously get the #1 or #2 pick, a trade down a notch or two. I would be really pleased if the Suns could get another first round pick in the draft. Maybe the Suns could even use the some protection on the Heat picks to get there.

Even those second round picks are looking good in this draft. I really liked what I saw of Alonzo Trier in the Arizona/ UCLA game yesterday.

 

[Mainstreet]

I like Isaac over Ball in this draft for the Suns. He's be the perfect 3

I haven't watched Isacc play in a game but the video clips of him are very exciting.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

not impressed by Ball against UofA.

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You watched an 18 second video to make your overall assessment of Ball? That's interesting...

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

not impressed by Ball against UofA.

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I was quite impressed with Ball against UofA. He did what he always does and just made plays all over the place and was key to them winning despite an off shooting night. Oh and he had a very nice pull up mid range shot in that game as well...

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Also looks like Lonzo's dad may have realized how dumb his "only for the Lakers" statement was..

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...ar-lonzo-ball-only-playing-los-angeles-lakers

 

[3rdside]

I like to judge players by one game, or even one single shot if possible

That being said, Fultz is almost certainly the consensus no 1 because of Ball's flaws but that suits me as i'm not expecting the first pick, instead hoping Ball falls to us at 2 or 3.

Question is though, if we do get the no1 pick, would I choose Fultz?

That's hard to say because I really like Ball ... funny that situations like this show that having the 1 pick can be more of a burden than a blessing sometimes.

 

[Russ Smith]

Also looks like Lonzo's dad may have realized how dumb his "only for the Lakers" statement was..

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...ar-lonzo-ball-only-playing-los-angeles-lakers

Are we sure this was the real LaVar Ball after ESPN's embarassing gaffe yesterday? Hyping up an interview with Ball for half the game. Then showing "LaVar Ball and his wife" sitting in the crowd saying we'll speak to him after the break and you won't be disappointed. I'm sure I wasn't the only one yelling at the tv "That is NOT LaVar Ball. And it's not his mom, she's white." So ESPN came back and sheepishly claimed they had been "misinformed" and LaVar Ball wasn't actually there. No duh.

Can't believe their sideline reporter didn't know the guy wasn't LaVar.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I like to judge players by one game, and even one single shot if possible

That being said, Fultz is almost certainly the consensus no 1 because of Ball's flaws but that suits me as i'm not expecting the first pick, instead hoping Ball falls to us at 2 or 3.

Question is though, if we do get the no1 pick, would I choose Fultz?

That's hard to say because I really like Ball ... funny that situations like this show that having the 1 pick can be more of a burden than a blessing sometimes.

The only reason I would have any pause whatsoever about drafting Fultz is the fact that I don't see him playing along side Bledsoe. I think Ball could actually share the court with Bled and Book quite nicely.

 

[3rdside]

The only reason I would have any pause whatsoever about drafting Fultz is the fact that I don't see him playing along side Bledsoe. I think Ball could actually share the court with Bled and Book quite nicely.

I really don't want Bledsoe any longer than what it takes to mentor whichever point guard (I'm hoping) we pick but yeah, that's what's great about Ball - he'd be an awesome fit for any team.

 

[3rdside]

And I'd gladly trade Eric for a first rounder this year...little attachment to the guy in other words but if we keep him to mentor Ball or Fultz I'm good with that also.

 

[AzStevenCal]

And I'd gladly trade Eric for a first rounder this year...little attachment to the guy in other words but if we keep him to mentor Ball or Fultz I'm good with that also.

I see no value in keeping him as a mentor but you grossly underestimate him as a player if you'd just accept any old first round pick for him. The hype over this class is justified but even still, odds are, few of us would make a deal like that if we had 10 years of hindsight in our pocket. Most of the prospects in this draft will fall short of Eric's level.

 

[3rdside]

I see no value in keeping him as a mentor but you grossly underestimate him as a player if you'd just accept any old first round pick for him. The hype over this class is justified but even still, odds are, few of us would make a deal like that if we had 10 years of hindsight in our pocket. Most of the prospects in this draft will fall short of Eric's level.

I just see little to love about Eric other than his stats - the name of the game is to win and we never do, triple doubles from Bledsoe or not. See what Cowheard said about Kentucky players....Talented but underwhelming and that's Bledsoe.

Slinslin mentioned a top 7 pick which I think is probably about right but maybe that's too much youth?

And you're right about the mentoring - J Kidd started his whole rookie season and Ball is probably good enough to do that as well.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I just see little to love about Eric other than his stats - the name of the game is to win and we never do, triple doubles from Bledsoe or not. See what Cowheard said about Kentucky players....Talented but underwhelming and that's Bledsoe.

Slinslin mentioned a top 7 pick which I think is probably about right but maybe that's too much youth?

And you're right about the mentoring - J Kidd started his whole rookie season and Ball is probably good enough to do that as well.

Colin Cowherd is right occasionally but remember, he's the Howard Stern of sports talk shows. He doesn't take himself seriously, I don't know why anyone else would? Towns, Davis, Wall - these guys are legit stars but there's a reason you see 3 or more stars congregating on the same roster, it's because one man is never a team.

 

[Carolinacacti]

I hope the Suns get anyone except Ball.

 

[GatorAZ]

Are we sure this was the real LaVar Ball after ESPN's embarassing gaffe yesterday? Hyping up an interview with Ball for half the game. Then showing "LaVar Ball and his wife" sitting in the crowd saying we'll speak to him after the break and you won't be disappointed. I'm sure I wasn't the only one yelling at the tv "That is NOT LaVar Ball. And it's not his mom, she's white." So ESPN came back and sheepishly claimed they had been "misinformed" and LaVar Ball wasn't actually there. No duh.

Can't believe their sideline reporter didn't know the guy wasn't LaVar.

There's some ppl saying that was Brian Bowen's parents LOL. Apparently there's no audio of what Lavar said but who knows.

 

[3rdside]

Colin Cowherd is right occasionally but remember, he's the Howard Stern of sports talk shows. He doesn't take himself seriously, I don't know why anyone else would? Towns, Davis, Wall - these guys are legit stars but there's a reason you see 3 or more stars congregating on the same roster, it's because one man is never a team.

I only quote what he said because he said exactly what I was thinking - you only need to look at how little winning we do to realise he's (we're) probably right.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I only quote what he said because he said exactly what I was thinking - you only need to look at how little winning we do to realise he's (we're) probably right.

Us not winning isn't by any means squarely on the shoulders of Bledsoe. Sure he is part of it, but I would guess it is more that we are losing in spite of what he is doing.