I Was Clearly Wrong

[Jetstream Green]

Glad to see some people checking out the Meyers-Briggs Personality Inventory. I'm an 'Architect.'

I worked as a Management Skills Trainer and used the MB test with my participants. It is a good framework for figuring out how and why workgroups/teams succeed or fail. It also provides understanding as to why some people just can't get along with one another at work/home---or on a football fan forum.

Can also be used to understand the tension between couples, parents and their children, etc.

Wonder if MBSK are using it in their HC search? LOL.

Here's the rationale behind the inventory:

https://www.16personalities.com/articles/our-theory

If you look at enough comments and behavior from any given person---you can get pretty good at predicting their personality type. Managers can get a handle on employees once they become proficient in the types. (Read up on the types and then try and guess what your students, wife, kids etc are before they take the quiz.)

I'm a commander... pretty accurate

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Because the GM at times needs to insist on what's best for the team moving forward. SK pretty miuch gave BA carte blacnhe


Wow, Gimmedaball, that is a fabulous test! I am going to have my students try it! I am a "Campaigner." I think the descriptors are pretty much accurate. What is your personality? Which of the 16?

I'd love to know what others got. This test is very worthwhile and enlightening, imo.

EXECUTIVE PERSONALITY (ESTJ, -A/-T)

 

[Chris_Sanders]

EXECUTIVE PERSONALITY (ESTJ, -A/-T)

Younger me would say "Really?" You became an executive and with a personality to match.

 

[MrYeahBut]

MEDIATOR

Likes the idea of relationships, but doesn't like being around people

 

[azsouthendzone]

The title of this thread is spot on about a lot o

Is it overreaction if I have been on the side of "we don't have a QB under contract and that makes us a bottom option" since day 1?

Yes. This is the same board that was rioting because Ray Horton was passed over for Bruce Arians lmao.

 

[Mitch]

The title of this thread is spot on about a lot o

Yes. This is the same board that was rioting because Ray Horton was passed over for Bruce Arians lmao.

Did you ever stop to consider that Horton might have won us more than 1 playoff game in 5 years? Horton kicked ass while he was in AZ. He brought the d back to the word Cardinals.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

EXECUTIVE PERSONALITY (ESTJ, -A/-T)

Mine just said, "Get out of here you ___hole."

So, it is pretty accurate.

 

[football karma]

things i now know about the Cardinals from this thread:

Bruce Arians wasnt a good coach

Bruce Arians holds mind control like powers over Steve Keim ( and presumably Mike Bidwill too) -- even now after he retired.

By inference: with a not good coach, and, a puppet GM, random luck got the Cardinals 50 wins in 5 seasons

 

[RugbyMuffin]

things i now know about the Cardinals from this thread:

Bruce Arians wasnt a good coach

Bruce Arians holds mind control like powers over Steve Keim ( and presumably Mike Bidwill too) -- even now after he retired.

By inference: with a not good coach, and, a puppet GM, random luck got the Cardinals 50 wins in 5 seasons

Do not worry.

If the Cardinals start winning again, they will be singing their praises and making up new acronyms.

Yet, on a serious note, it is fun to see the board getting ready to comb over players, and coaches, while questioning everything.

Lots of good debates, and what not. Should be fun.

What sucks right now, is until there is a head coach, there is not much to breakdown, so speculation is really the only thing people can write about.

Speculation is fine, its when it is spoken like it is truth, is when it loses its point.

The entire national media, and the beat writers in AZ cannot get any news out of the Cardinals office, and they monitor the situation 24/7.

To think anyone on here knows better, is laughable.

Yet, I am enjoying reading the opinions out there.

Seems to be the general opinion is that because the Cardinals didn't get:

Shurmur
Particia
McDaniels

that the team is doomed, and we might as well just not have a season for the next 5 years. <-- Sorry, hyperbole just for fun.

I fully understand the worry. I was SO CERTAIN the Cardinals were screwed before hiring Bruce Arians. That turned out pretty well, at least I enjoyed the success.

And remember, before Arians, and Keim were the worst football duo ever to step on a football field, they were BA&SK. Greatest tag team in the NFL!

The NFL is fickle, the Cardinals fans are bored and want a head coach.

Frustation! Part of the NFL offseason. Regardless of the negative vibes on this thread, I am psyched for this offseason. I am sure many others, that may SEEM negative on here right now are excited as well.

Once the coach is in, and fans get to slam the choice, because it is pure catch-22 right now, it will settle and the offseason will move on, with hope abound for most.

 

[JeffGollin]

Absence of QBs on our roster makes "Has a Big Roladex*" a bigger priority for a HC than otherwise, no?

* Modern Day Terminology: "Has a Big Contacts List."

 

[Krangodnzr]

Did you ever stop to consider that Horton might have won us more than 1 playoff game in 5 years? Horton kicked ass while he was in AZ. He brought the d back to the word Cardinals.

Bowles was substantially better.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Did you ever stop to consider that Horton might have won us more than 1 playoff game in 5 years? Horton kicked ass while he was in AZ. He brought the d back to the word Cardinals.

He put the dbag in Cardinal. Guy was a douche.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Bowles was substantially better.

Not sure what this is in reference too, but I agree.

Todd Bowles is a great coach, IMO. I wish he was the head coach here, that is for sure.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Not sure what this is in reference too, but I agree.

Todd Bowles is a great coach, IMO. I wish he was the head coach here, that is for sure.

Better than Horton.

 

[JeffGollin]

Really?

You are going to tell me that option E is as desirable as A, B, C, and D to a prospective head coach?

A. Eli Manning and the #2 pick in the NFL draft.
B. Matt Stafford and the #20 pick in the NFL draft.
C. Andrew Luck, Jacoby Brissett, and the #3 pick in the NFL draft.
D. Marcus Mariota
E. No QB under contract and the #15 pick in the NFL draft.

Ok, so the QB situation is bad, but we are much better off in other areas...but where? RB. Yes. OL, no. Even the best argument gets us to, as bad as the others. WR...again, we are at best tied for, as bad as the others. Defense? Sure, we are arguably the best, but the Jags defense just gave up 42. Vikings defense had Brees throwing all over it. We aren't that good of a defense in terms of personnel.

At the end of the day, we are an average franchise, with little to nothing to offer at QB unless we use a ton of resources to spend on Kirk Cousins/Case Keenum or trade up to get the 4th or 5th best QB in the draft. Now, I'm not saying that it can't work out. But, I am saying it is not the situation that a prospective head coach looks at and says this is better than those other options. It just isn't. We are going to have to look harder to find the right guy to coach this team, just like we are going to have to be VERY creative to find our way to a league average QB. Not much room for error.

There's a "yes" and a "no" answer to your question:

Yes - Door #E makes sense if a coach wants to build his team from the ground up.

No - The other 4 doors make sense if a coach wants to win quicker, with just a little tweaking.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Better than Horton.

That is a good question, IMHO.

Ray Horton was a heck of defensive coordinator. I really like his spin on the LeBeau defensive strategy.

All around, I think Bowles is by far the better coach.

Talking defensive coordinators ? As crazy as it sounds, Horton's 3-4, and Bowles 3-4 are different. So......

.......again, a good question. One could easily say, one coach is a Head Coach that just took a team that was slated to go 0-16 at the beginning of this season and did a lot with no so much, and the other was out of work.

Yet, to be fair to Ray Horton, he has been replaced by Bowles, and by LeBeau (Browns do not count, IMHO), those are top defensive coordinators with great reputation around the league. I have a lot of respect for Ray Horton, and like how he does things. Horton is much like Arians where he speaks his mind and does things his own way.

I'd still have to go with Bowles to give an answer, but it is a good debate, IMHO. Both have a lot of promise, and I think when Ray Horton gets a good and stable opportunity he will show his worth.

To tie this into the recent coaching search, it is too bad the Cardinals are infatuated with Bettcher right now, because with Horton available it would be great to have him back, but the combination of the heated argument that supposedly happened when Horton was let go by Keim, and Bettcher being here makes it extremely unlikely Horton would even consider coming back.

 

[football karma]

Yet, on a serious note, it is fun to see the board getting ready to comb over players, and coaches, while questioning everything.

my post is tongue in cheek --

i just find some of the stuff over the top..

personally, i beleive chemtrails are to blame for the Cardinals current state

 

[BigRedRage]

wow that 16 personalities thing is creepily accurate.

 

[MrYeahBut]

wow that 16 personalities thing is creepily accurate.

How did yours come out... LOSER???

lmao... j/k

 

[Cheesebeef]

There's a "yes" and a "no" answer to your question:

Yes - Door #E makes sense if a coach wants to build his team from the ground up.

No - The other 4 doors make sense if a coach wants to win quicker, with just a little tweaking.

How is E... where the Coach has no QB and a mid round pick where he can’t get QB easily in a better position to build from the ground up than Coach A who already has the second pick AND a bridge QB? Coach A literally has the two things a team needs to build from scratch while E has neither.

 

[Chopper0080]

There's a "yes" and a "no" answer to your question:

Yes - Door #E makes sense if a coach wants to build his team from the ground up.

No - The other 4 doors make sense if a coach wants to win quicker, with just a little tweaking.

Lets take this from a different angle...

You have to make an omelette, and you have two choices...

A. you are given Eggs
B. you are not given Eggs

Option A is the more desirable option, because it gives you the key ingredient. Option B isn't impossible, but it is much more difficult. Most people would choose option A.

This is the similar to the Cardinals coaching vacancy. We are offering an option that is lacking a key ingredient to success. It isn't that it is impossible, but it is much more difficult, and the majority of people will prefer the option that provides that key ingredient.

 

[JeffGollin]

How is E... where the Coach has no QB and a mid round pick where he can’t get QB easily in a better position to build from the ground up than Coach A who already has the second pick AND a bridge QB? Coach A literally has the two things a team needs to build from scratch while E has neither.

No egos to stroke, dysfunctional traditions to unravel or existing contractual baggage to deal with.

If the HC wanted to sign, trade or draft a QB, he could take his offense in any direction he wanted. Fewer negative politics to deal with, no cap problems. Heck! He could run the single bleeping wing if he he wanted to.

 

[Arz101]

Lets take this from a different angle...

You have to make an omelette, and you have two choices...

A. you are given Eggs
B. you are not given Eggs

Option A is the more desirable option, because it gives you the key ingredient. Option B isn't impossible, but it is much more difficult. Most people would choose option A.

This is the similar to the Cardinals coaching vacancy. We are offering an option that is lacking a key ingredient to success. It isn't that it is impossible, but it is much more difficult, and the majority of people will prefer the option that provides that key ingredient.

The cardinals are asking the candidate to buy his favorite eggs to make the omlette just as he likes no?

 

[oaken1]

Lets take this from a different angle...

You have to make an omelette, and you have two choices...

A. you are given Eggs
B. you are not given Eggs

Option A is the more desirable option, because it gives you the key ingredient. Option B isn't impossible, but it is much more difficult. Most people would choose option A.

This is the similar to the Cardinals coaching vacancy. We are offering an option that is lacking a key ingredient to success. It isn't that it is impossible, but it is much more difficult, and the majority of people will prefer the option that provides that key ingredient.

but in the case of NY...many of the eggs are rotten,...and the coach has to figure out which ones to throw away...

and then...some of the eggs are in Detroit.......DETROIT,...Im sure you have at least seen the pictures.. but in case you havent,...they are arresting homeless people for having sex on the sidewalks in detroit.... not to mention this is the same organization that kept Matt Millen as GM for years....

then in Indy, well...that big ol tasty ostrich egg may not have any yolk in it...wont know until next season

Marcus Mariotta...good kid

 

[Chopper0080]

The cardinals are asking the candidate to buy his favorite eggs to make the omlette just as he likes no?

No. We are asking him to make tofu eggs. We are asking him to compete using a limited number of items.

Again...we are trying to sell that all of these situations are the same, when clearly option E is at a disadvantage.

A. Eli Manning and the #2 pick in the NFL draft.
B. Matt Stafford and the #20 pick in the NFL draft.
C. Andrew Luck, Jacoby Brissett, and the #3 pick in the NFL draft.
D. Marcus Mariota
E. No QB under contract and the #15 pick in the NFL draft.

But thank you for pointing out where a simplified analogy can't encompass the complexity of a multi team head coaching search...bravo to you.