Is it time to move on from Kyler Murray

[Cheesebeef]

So you are going to put it all on him huh? You don't think the rest of the roster has anything to do with it?

Never said it was all him. But I’m done with this convo since you decided to just project some inane argument on to my post.

This kind of crap gets so lame/tiresome.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Kyler has had 2 bad games in a row. But he had basically 6 pretty good games in a row before that.

2-4 in those 6. Meh.

 

[Stout]

Someone who didn't live through our previous QB struggles.

Oh my sweet summer child...

 

[phillycard]

This season really might do it for me. I've tried knowing how good he was in 21 and what might have been had he not gotten banged up. As well, I've been one of his biggest defenders, but a part of me longs for the green grass that a young stud with a clean slate might provide.

 

[DVontel]

Peyton Manning wouldn’t have played for some damn Michael Bidwill lmao

The Manning family will make sure Arch doesn’t play for Bidwill either which I do not blame them.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Peyton Manning wouldn’t have played for some damn Michael Bidwill lmao

The Manning family will make sure Arch doesn’t play for Bidwill either which I do not blame them.

Didn’t Manning play almost his entire career for the model of consistency and level headedness Jim Irsay??

 

[602 Native]

Or is paying attention to the rest of the league.

There is at most 15 QB's in the world better than Kyler, and on average 1 or 2 more get added per year from the draft.

Name them.

 

[tennis-player]

Name them.

According to NFL.com pre-season ranking, Kyler is #18 after: Mahomes, Jackson, Allen, Stroud, Burrow, Prescott, Rogers, Love, Herbert. Hurts, Goff, Tagovailoa, Purdy, Stafford, Mayfield, Cousins, and Lawrence.

I'm sure you do not agree with this, but I would trade Murray for most of them.

 

[Cheesebeef]

According to NFL.com pre-season ranking, Kyler is #18 after: Mahomes, Jackson, Allen, Stroud, Burrow, Prescott, Rogers, Love, Herbert. Hurts, Goff, Tagovailoa, Purdy, Stafford, Mayfield, Cousins, and Lawrence.

I'm sure you do not agree with this, but I would trade Murray for most of them.

Tua, Cousins and Lawrence are debatable. But yeah, the rest are better than Kyler at this point.

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

According to NFL.com pre-season ranking, Kyler is #18 after: Mahomes, Jackson, Allen, Stroud, Burrow, Prescott, Rogers, Love, Herbert. Hurts, Goff, Tagovailoa, Purdy, Stafford, Mayfield, Cousins, and Lawrence.

I'm sure you do not agree with this, but I would trade Murray for most of them.

Mahomes, Jackson, Allen, Stroud, Herbert

The rest have warts as bad or worse than Kyler

 

[tennis-player]

Tua, Cousins and Lawrence are debatable. But yeah, the rest are better than Kyler at this point.

Tau had a great year last year when the offensive system was designed for him. Unfortunately, he will not play much longer. I always liked Cousins (MSU alumni). He has had an underrated career. Lawrence is intriguing. A bad last two years, but a lot of talent and can play in the right system.

The issue is that Kyler is in his sixth year and has not shown more than most of those quarterbacks.

 

[Proximo]

This season really might do it for me. I've tried knowing how good he was in 21 and what might have been had he not gotten banged up. As well, I've been one of his biggest defenders, but a part of me longs for the green grass that a young stud with a clean slate might provide.

The odds are, you don't get a young stud, but instead get a young bust.

Look at the Jets - how many guys in a row did they draft - all busts, then they got desperate and signed an ancient Rogers who I would argue is no longer as good as Kyler.

The grass is not always greener on the other side.

 

[Proximo]

2-4 in those 6. Meh.

Yeah, but he isn't the whole team.

Even if he is just a game manager, you can win with one of those if the rest of the team is good.

 

[Devilmaycare]

How I would approach this situation is that I wouldn't just dump K1. I would build up the team around him and wait for the opportunity to move up in the draft to get his replacement.

Dumping K1 for the Gardner Minshews of the NFL does nothing to propel this team forward.

This is sort of what I wanted at the last draft. Pre-draft I didn't want to pick the Ferrari in MHJ. I felt like he'd be wasted here with the current state of the roster and we needed to build up the team more before getting a player like him.

I wanted to trade back for a couple more assets and take Alt. Build the line around him and Paris. Then use the extra assets to grab one or two of the other WRs. We get the stud line to keep Kyler upright and then if he didn't pan out this year, what I expected, we could drop the kid we draft in 2025 or 2026 into a better situation.

We always try to build from the luxury pieces in instead of from the trenches out. The former is flashy while the latter wins games.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yeah, but he isn't the whole team.

Even if he is just a game manager, you can win with one of those if the rest of the team is good.

Hard to make the rest of the team good when the game manager is choking down 1/5th of the entire cap.

 

[kerouac9]

It’s really hard to build a team around a game manager with a $45 million cap hold.

 

[DVontel]

I wanted to trade back for a couple more assets and take Alt.

Trade back to where exactly? Alt literally got picked after our pick.

 

[Devilmaycare]

Trade back to where exactly? Alt literally got picked after our pick.

I'm talking pre-draft. If we were able to move that would have changed the complexion of the draft and he might not have been. Plus, Alt was the guy I liked but I use him as a placeholder. Latham and Fashanu were also sitting there. I would have gone with whoever we had graded the highest and was still on the board when we picked.

When you're living in the slums you don't buy a Ferrari, you get out of the slums first.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Tua, Cousins and Lawrence are debatable. But yeah, the rest are better than Kyler at this point.

Would you trade Murray straight up for Lawrence? I think I would.

 

[Chopper0080]

Would you trade Murray straight up for Lawrence? I think I would.

I would not.

 

[DVontel]

The vibes if Trevor was here would be worse than they are with Kyler.

 

[Chopper0080]

It’s really hard to build a team around a game manager with a $45 million cap hold.

I think it depends on what your goals are. I don't believe a game managing QB getting 45 mil prohibits you from making the playoffs. I do believe it is almost impossible to win multiple playoff games tho.

 

[Chopper0080]

The vibes if Trevor was here would be worse than they are with Kyler.

It's a worse contract. He is playing worse. I don't understand the appeal. Watson and Tua are also less appealing due to different reasons.

What is funny is that the list of non-rookie contract QBs playing better than Kyler, and making less at 40 mil is Geno, Darnold, Baker, and Carr. Daniels, Purdy, and Stroud are the only QBs on rookie deals outplaying him.

IMO Kyler is more disappointing than bad. This is because he is inconsistent, and then he is playing worse than his 2020 and 2021 seasons (IMO). Also, he seems significantly less aggressive than he has been in the past.

 

[DVontel]

It's a worse contract. He is playing worse. I don't understand the appeal. Watson and Tua are also less appealing due to different reasons.

What is funny is that the list of non-rookie contract QBs playing better than Kyler, and making less at 40 mil is Geno, Darnold, Baker, and Carr. Daniels, Purdy, and Stroud are the only QBs on rookie deals outplaying him.

IMO Kyler is more disappointing than bad. This is because he is inconsistent, and then he is playing worse than his 2020 and 2021 seasons (IMO). Also, he seems significantly less aggressive than he has been in the past.

And not to mention, he was heralded as a much better prospect.


Agreed 100% with everything.

 

[Chopper0080]

A couple more quick thoughts on moving on from Kyler after this season.

1 - FA QBs looking like Darnold, Fields, Brissett, and Russ Wilson. Darnold potentially getting 30 mil +. Only Darnold is playing better than Kyler is right now.

2 - None of the QBs in the draft look special. Current Kyler level of play is the ceiling for almost all of these dudes IMO.

3 - You can't afford another tank year. You can't bring in a Minshew level QB.

As much as I think Kyler has pretty much shown what he is in this league, I can't see any QB option after this year that puts the Cardinals in a better place to win than Kyler does. Maybe this will change, but I am not currently seeing it, and I am less interested in losing games to save Bidwill more money by getting rid of Kyler's contract. I just don't see anything to be gained.