Its Official: We have a QB Controversy

[MadCardDisease]

Skelton has play just barely good enough for us to get two wins against two not so good teams. Before we go annoiting Skelton to the full time starter, lets see how he does against a real defense. The only reason I want to see Skelton start against the Niners is to see how he handles the pass rush he will see. If Skelton performs well in SF then I will start to believe and you can call it a controversy.

I had a feeling that Skelton would struggle against the Niners. However it was much worse than even I was expecting. At times it looked like he was just chucking the ball up for grabs.

Kolb can't get back in there soon enough IMO.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Kolb can't get back in there soon enough IMO.

such a sad, but true statement.

 

[kerouac9]

I had a feeling that Skelton would struggle against the Niners. However it was much worse than even I was expecting. At times it looked like he was just chucking the ball up for grabs.

Kolb can't get back in there soon enough IMO.

Three weeks is what it took to forget how awful and lost that Kolb was. Apparently it doesn't matter who the backup quarterback is, he's always going to be the most popular player on the team.

Whis let Cardinals fans down by not implementing a game plan that gave us the best chance to win. The announcers were baffled that we didn't try to run the ball more when we were being remarkably successful doing so.

The 49ers actually illustrated that Skelton was doing a good job in developing. They didn't blitz him. They rushed three or four and put everyone back in coverage--that's what teams learned to do to Kurt Warner as well. Skelton has illustrated to the league that he can handle the blitz, but that he can't yet diagnose coverages and find the open man.

The NFL catches up to everyone. Skelton's next step is to not look at the rush and begin looking at the coverage. He's not doing that right now, but he's still a second-year player.

Sadly, Kolb only sees the rush, and he's far more experienced than Skelton is, and doesn't offer much hope. A solid performance against the Rams and the controversy is back on.

It's not like Kolb wasn't similarly bad against an inferior defense in Minnesota.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Three weeks is what it took to forget how awful and lost that Kolb was. Apparently it doesn't matter who the backup quarterback is, he's always going to be the most popular player on the team.

Whis let Cardinals fans down by not implementing a game plan that gave us the best chance to win. The announcers were baffled that we didn't try to run the ball more when we were being remarkably successful doing so.

The 49ers actually illustrated that Skelton was doing a good job in developing. They didn't blitz him. They rushed three or four and put everyone back in coverage--that's what teams learned to do to Kurt Warner as well. Skelton has illustrated to the league that he can handle the blitz, but that he can't yet diagnose coverages and find the open man.

The NFL catches up to everyone. Skelton's next step is to not look at the rush and begin looking at the coverage. He's not doing that right now, but he's still a second-year player.

Sadly, Kolb only sees the rush, and he's far more experienced than Skelton is, and doesn't offer much hope. A solid performance against the Rams and the controversy is back on.

It's not like Kolb wasn't similarly bad against an inferior defense in Minnesota.

again, sad, but true.

this is last year all over again... just when you think a QB can't get worse, you bring in his replacement, there's a game that that guy somehow wins and you think it's better... then reality hits you in the face and you start clammoring for the other guy who sucks out loud again. it's a vicious cycle that we get to watch for another 6 weeks. WHEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mulli]

again, sad, but true.

this is last year all over again... just when you think a QB can't get worse, you bring in his replacement, there's a game that that guy somehow wins and you think it's better... then reality hits you in the face and you start clammoring for the other guy who sucks out loud again. it's a vicious cycle that we get to watch for another 6 weeks. WHEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

We don't have to watch. Better games on whenever Cards will play.

 

[Duckjake]

We don't have to watch. Better games on whenever Cards will play.

WHAT!!! And miss whatever goofy or unusual thing that is going to happen during that weeks Cardinals game???? No way.

Why just yesterday they blocked TWO FG's. PPi has 3 punt return TDs. You never know what our boys are going to do next. I especially like to watch to see if they get any more dubious records. Like most kick returns in one game.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Three weeks is what it took to forget how awful and lost that Kolb was. Apparently it doesn't matter who the backup quarterback is, he's always going to be the most popular player on the team.

Whis let Cardinals fans down by not implementing a game plan that gave us the best chance to win. The announcers were baffled that we didn't try to run the ball more when we were being remarkably successful doing so.

The 49ers actually illustrated that Skelton was doing a good job in developing. They didn't blitz him. They rushed three or four and put everyone back in coverage--that's what teams learned to do to Kurt Warner as well. Skelton has illustrated to the league that he can handle the blitz, but that he can't yet diagnose coverages and find the open man.

The NFL catches up to everyone. Skelton's next step is to not look at the rush and begin looking at the coverage. He's not doing that right now, but he's still a second-year player.

Sadly, Kolb only sees the rush, and he's far more experienced than Skelton is, and doesn't offer much hope. A solid performance against the Rams and the controversy is back on.

It's not like Kolb wasn't similarly bad against an inferior defense in Minnesota.

I still think Skelton has potential. I've always felt that he needed at least 3 years before he would be ready to be "tested". This kid was just so raw coming out of college that he needs the time to develop. My problem is the people who felt that he was ready to be the starter today. Which he clearly isn't ready for.

They didn't blitz Skelton because they didn't have to.

 

[gmabel830]

WHAT!!! And miss whatever goofy or unusual thing that is going to happen during that weeks Cardinals game???? No way.

Why just yesterday they blocked TWO FG's. PPi has 3 punt return TDs. You never know what our boys are going to do next. I especially like to watch to see if they get any more dubious records. Like most kick returns in one game.

I agree with this 100%. Now granted, nothing gets you more excited than wins and we all wish we had a whole lot more of those, but 7 out of our 10 games have come right down to the wire. Is there any other team in the NFL that has played this number of close, down to the last second games? I, for one, can't wait until next week to see what this crazy team of ours does next!

 

[Proteus]

I agree with this 100%. Now granted, nothing gets you more excited than wins and we all wish we had a whole lot more of those, but 7 out of our 10 games have come right down to the wire. Is there any other team in the NFL that has played this number of close, down to the last second games? I, for one, can't wait until next week to see what this crazy team of ours does next!

The Cowboys have played a lot of down to the wire games in the last year or so.

 

[kerouac9]

I still think Skelton has potential. I've always felt that he needed at least 3 years before he would be ready to be "tested". This kid was just so raw coming out of college that he needs the time to develop. My problem is the people who felt that he was ready to be the starter today. Which he clearly isn't ready for.

They didn't blitz Skelton because they didn't have to.

You don't get better on the bench. And you don't get better not getting any reps all season long as the #3, or in limited reps as the #2.

I'm not sure that anyone is saying that Skelton is going to contend for the Top 10 QBs in the NFL right now. But all he has to do is be better than Kevin Kolb, and I think he's shown that he's better than Kevin Kolb, including yesterday.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

You have to have QBs on your team to have a QB controversy. from what i've seen this year, we have none. So no controversy.

 

[Joe L]

But all he has to do is be better than Kevin Kolb, and I think he's shown that he's better than Kevin Kolb, including yesterday.

Really? He completed 9 passes yesterday...3 of those were interceptions that had very little to do with the defense and more to do with where he threw it at. Skelly has more INT's than he does TD's. He isn't remotely accurate, and he seems to always benefit from the defense by bailing him out in his "so-called" wins.
Kolb isn't a world beater but he is still the best option. I guess I'm tired of everyone fawning over this guy. Seems like I'm reliving the Minumus Hall episode all over again.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

You have to have QBs on your team to have a QB controversy. from what i've seen this year, we have none. So no controversy.

+1

Oh well. It was fun to have hope while it lasted.

 

[MadCardDisease]

But all he has to do is be better than Kevin Kolb, and I think he's shown that he's better than Kevin Kolb, including yesterday.

I disagree. I beleive that Kolb has shown more than anyone currently on the roster and that is not saying much.

 

[kerouac9]

I disagree. I beleive that Kolb has shown more than anyone currently on the roster and that is not saying much.

Going 1-6 is very convincing. Especially when you do little against a top defense like Carolina and nothing against immovable objects like Washington, Minnesota, and Seattle.

Kolb doesn't look better than Matt Moore. Kolb's getting paid like a starting quarterback, but playing like a guy you can't wait to replace.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Going 1-6 is very convincing. Especially when you do little against a top defense like Carolina and nothing against immovable objects like Washington, Minnesota, and Seattle.

Kolb doesn't look better than Matt Moore. Kolb's getting paid like a starting quarterback, but playing like a guy you can't wait to replace.

I don't disagree with you. I still think he is better than the other two QBs on this roster.

 

[Russ Smith]

You don't get better on the bench. And you don't get better not getting any reps all season long as the #3, or in limited reps as the #2.

I'm not sure that anyone is saying that Skelton is going to contend for the Top 10 QBs in the NFL right now. But all he has to do is be better than Kevin Kolb, and I think he's shown that he's better than Kevin Kolb, including yesterday.

You said Pitt, Bal and SF have the 3 best defenses.

Kolb started against the first 2 in the old no max protect system and went 28-55 425 yards 3 TD 2 picks and got sacked 8 times.

Skelton was 6-19 99 yards 3 picks and in a modified offense that provided him pretty good protection.

Neither was very good but how was Skelton better?

 

[kerouac9]

You said Pitt, Bal and SF have the 3 best defenses.

Kolb started against the first 2 in the old no max protect system and went 28-55 425 yards 3 TD 2 picks and got sacked 8 times.

Skelton was 6-19 99 yards 3 picks and in a modified offense that provided him pretty good protection.

Neither was very good but how was Skelton better?

Um... DeMarco Sampson was on the field enough to get one of those 6 receptions yesterday. We were running a lot of 4-WR and very little of the max protect offense. Where were the TEs all day yesterday?

I'm not impressed that Kolb managed to get a 74-yard catch and run to LSH on a ball that traveled maybe 7 yards through the air and a junk 4th Quarter TD after being down 18 with 4 minutes remaining in the game. Nor am I impressed at the 25 yard drive that Kolb was able to put together for that TD against Baltimore (it only took 4 plays!).

One of these guys have shown that they can at least sometimes convert a 3rd down. The other one is a pleasant surprise when it's only an incomplete pass on first and 10.

If Kolb had shown as much ability against middling teams as Skelton has, there'd be more of an affirmative argument. That our $61 million QB has an argument for maybe being as good as a guy making $300,000 this year, I'd be more convinced.

 

[Duckjake]

Um... DeMarco Sampson was on the field enough to get one of those 6 receptions yesterday. We were running a lot of 4-WR and very little of the max protect offense. Where were the TEs all day yesterday?

I'm not impressed that Kolb managed to get a 74-yard catch and run to LSH on a ball that traveled maybe 7 yards through the air and a junk 4th Quarter TD after being down 18 with 4 minutes remaining in the game. Nor am I impressed at the 25 yard drive that Kolb was able to put together for that TD against Baltimore (it only took 4 plays!).

One of these guys have shown that they can at least sometimes convert a 3rd down. The other one is a pleasant surprise when it's only an incomplete pass on first and 10.

If Kolb had shown as much ability against middling teams as Skelton has, there'd be more of an affirmative argument. That our $61 million QB has an argument for maybe being as good as a guy making $300,000 this year, I'd be more convinced.

Correct. I don't know where the myth of max protect for Skelton comes from. Unless max protection means Bridges comes in for Keith.

I watched a replay of most of the Eagles game Saturday and saw very few plays where the Cards blocked any differently than they did with Kolb at QB. Same for yesterday but it wasn't necessary because SF only rushed 3 or 4. So I'm not buying the max protect deal.

 

[Darkside]

None of these ridiculous arguments are even true. There is no controversy and there wasn't before last game. People need to think logically. You shouldn't start Skelton, if you wanted to, even assuming he won the SF game, it was never going to happen. We have to find out what Kolb has now, because his contract mushrooms in later years, and most importantly next year. Kolb needs to play for us as much as possible before they continue playing him, and you can't do that if you start Skelton. The honest-to-God-truth is that you can start Kolb and keep Skelton but you can't do the reverse, and start Skelton and ride Kolb on the bench. That cannot happen. We have to find out what Kolb has now. Skelton isn't going anywhere.

 

[PJ1]

None of these ridiculous arguments are even true. There is no controversy and there wasn't before last game. People need to think logically. You shouldn't start Skelton, if you wanted to, even assuming he won the SF game, it was never going to happen. We have to find out what Kolb has now, because his contract mushrooms in later years, and most importantly next year. Kolb needs to play for us as much as possible before they continue playing him, and you can't do that if you start Skelton. The honest-to-God-truth is that you can start Kolb and keep Skelton but you can't do the reverse, and start Skelton and ride Kolb on the bench. That cannot happen. We have to find out what Kolb has now. Skelton isn't going anywhere.

This really sums it up no matter who you like. Cards must find out what they have in Kolb. The sooner the better.

 

[AZ Native]

None of these ridiculous arguments are even true. There is no controversy and there wasn't before last game. People need to think logically. You shouldn't start Skelton, if you wanted to, even assuming he won the SF game, it was never going to happen. We have to find out what Kolb has now, because his contract mushrooms in later years, and most importantly next year. Kolb needs to play for us as much as possible before they continue playing him, and you can't do that if you start Skelton. The honest-to-God-truth is that you can start Kolb and keep Skelton but you can't do the reverse, and start Skelton and ride Kolb on the bench. That cannot happen. We have to find out what Kolb has now. Skelton isn't going anywhere.

Good post. We have to find out what Kolb has, we gave up so much, and are not going anywhere this year. This is a no-brainer.

 

[Phrazbit]

This really sums it up no matter who you like. Cards must find out what they have in Kolb. The sooner the better.

Unless you already view Kolb as a sunk cost...

 

[D-Dogg]

Unless you already view Kolb as a sunk cost...

Still too early for that.

His biggest problem is failure to stay in the pocket. He looks horrid throwing while running backwards, and running into sacks.

I would like to see him stay still, and just make a read and throw the ball.

Not a sunk cost yet. I think he needs to play his way into horrible, not just merely bad, but gawd awful, before the Cardinals would view him as a sunk cost.

 

[Phrazbit]

Still too early for that.

His biggest problem is failure to stay in the pocket. He looks horrid throwing while running backwards, and running into sacks.

I would like to see him stay still, and just make a read and throw the ball.

Not a sunk cost yet. I think he needs to play his way into horrible, not just merely bad, but gawd awful, before the Cardinals would view him as a sunk cost.

Well, I think the question remains if Kolb can possibly become an average QB, but the idea of him being a franchise QB is out the window, and in my opinion that window was never open. And I would rather toss Kolb to the curb than hope he can develop into a guy that MIGHT be able to take us to an 8-8 season.