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[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by azcardsfan1616
The O-line is a push. If our line was healthier they might be better.

There is no way in hell the O-line is a push. Ours is a consistently underacheiving for injuires or whatever the reason, while denver's still is amongst the best in the league - who acres about individual talent - especially on the O-line, where it needs to work as a unit to be successful. We got them at QB and in the secondary but that's about it.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by Lex
Hey Russ- I intentionally left out the fact that he led us to our only playoff victory in history too. He's not nearly finished with his NFL career yet, much like I didn't post what he did in high school when he was a freshman or sophmore, or his college years before he was a senior.

I know 95% of the posters on this site are like you, holding out hope that Jake was the reason for our failure. You are now chomping at the bit to see any sign from Denver that you are correct in your assumption.

My take on the reason for Shanahan to dump Greise for Plummer, was that Greise couldn't come back, and Jake is famous for coming back.

Sometimes you have to try a make the "play that isn't there" to WIN, when the "easier play" only helps your stinkin stats look better.

but that's not what you said Lex, you said they pursued him because he's a "winner".

Yes comebacks were part of what they wanted, but basically Shanahan said I wanted a guy who can make something out of nothing now and then, Griese couldn't. The question is, will he make something out of SOMETHING as often as Griese did.

I have no objection to them dumping Griese and I'm glad they signed Jake, I just think it made no sense for a team whose biggest problem on offense last year was TO's and redzone performance, to sign a guy with a history of TO's, and average at best in the redzone. ON the Broncos board they were raving when someone noticed Jake had 14 TD's and 1 pick in the redzone last year, completely ignoring his performance in the redzone for his career, which is basically about the same as Griese, only not quite as good.

So yes he runs better and yes he takes his teammates out to dinner and yes he's fiery, but the problem they were trying to solve, redzone offense, probably won't be any better with Jake than it was before.

And your last statement is nonsense, how many times did that mentality actually lead to a win? If it was even remotely effective we wouldn't have been so bad during jake's time here.

 

[Assface]

I'd rather have an already ahead instead of a comeback.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
And this proves...?

He's a better player than Freddie Jones. He only played in 13 games last year and even in his 13th season had 650 yards. I would take Sharpe ovber Jones in a heartbeat - the guy is not only a great TE, but is a winner and his attitude is something guys feed off.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
There is no way in hell the O-line is a push. Ours is a consistently underacheiving for injuires or whatever the reason, while denver's still is amongst the best in the league - who acres about individual talent - especially on the O-line, where it needs to work as a unit to be successful. We got them at QB and in the secondary but that's about it.

Hmm...you mean the Denver line that gave up 40 something sacks last year?

Our line gave up over a dozen less (maybe even 20 less).

 

[ajcardfan]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
He's a better player than Freddie Jones. He only played in 13 games last year and even in his 13th season had 650 yards. I would take Sharpe ovber Jones in a heartbeat - the guy is not only a great TE, but is a winner and his attitude is something guys feed off.

There's no doubt Sharpe is way better than Jones for his entire career. But, I think Jones would've had numbers just as good as Sharpe's had he been in Denver last year. Sharpe almost retired because of his knee, so IMO, if you had a hypothetical choice to make, Jones would be a smarter pick right now.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
He's a better player than Freddie Jones. He only played in 13 games last year and even in his 13th season had 650 yards. I would take Sharpe ovber Jones in a heartbeat - the guy is not only a great TE, but is a winner and his attitude is something guys feed off.

But receiving is only one part of the half duty of a tight end.

Receiving yards get you pro bowls, but the blocks get your team the win. Sharpe is not a pro bowl blocker, even though he did improve dramatically since he came into the league (he used to suck royally as a blocker).

 

[HoodieBets]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Hmm...you mean the Denver line that gave up 40 something sacks last year?

Our line gave up over a dozen less (maybe even 20 less).

I believe this is the same bronco line with SB rings correct? Krang how come jake is the only QB to take this team to the playoffs? That means any other QB we had is worse than him bc they couldnt do what he did right?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by azcardsfan1616
I believe this is the same bronco line with SB rings correct? Krang how come jake is the only QB to take this team to the playoffs? That means any other QB we had is worse than him bc they couldnt do what he did right?

Jake didn't singlehandedly take us to the playoffs!

That is the biggest myth ever propagated by Jake supporters. His 30 turnovers that year hurt us badly, especially considering the fact that most of them put us behind.

About 20 different Qbs that were active at that time could've taken us to the playoffs. Jake deserves only marginal credit.

 

[HoodieBets]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Jake didn't singlehandedly take us to the playoffs!

That is the biggest myth ever propagated by Jake supporters. His 30 turnovers that year hurt us badly, especially considering the fact that most of them put us behind.

About 20 different Qbs that were active at that time could've taken us to the playoffs. Jake deserves only marginal credit.

Yeah imagine if he only had 20 TO's we might have had a bye in the first round. I believe we had another QB that year who couldnt get the job done.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by azcardsfan1616
Krang how come jake is the only QB to take this team to the playoffs? That means any other QB we had is worse than him bc they couldnt do what he did right?

For question number 1: Jake is the only QB to take this team to the playoffs because THAT WAS THE MOST TALENTED CARDINALS TEAM THEY HAVE SINCE Lomax went down with a hip in 1988 and they played the easiest schedule in my life and were constantly coming back to win games because of Jake's poor play in the first half of games - now i'll give you that Jake DID make plays in the fourth, but he was usually the one to put us behind the eight-ball.

For question number 2: You're making a case for Jake versus other QBs we've had. Look at those guys - it ain't saying much. Just because one turd has peanuts in it(Jake - he add something else), versus other turds without, don't mean both turds shouldn't be flushed down the toilet!

 

[HoodieBets]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
For question number 1: Jake is the only QB to take this team to the playoffs because THAT WAS THE MOST TALENTED CARDINALS TEAM THEY HAVE SINCE Lomax went down with a hip in 1988 and they played the easiest schedule in my life and were constantly coming back to win games because of Jake's poor play in the first half of games - now i'll give you that Jake DID make plays in the fourth, but he was usually the one to put us behind the eight-ball.

For question number 2: You're making a case for Jake versus other QBs we've had. Look at those guys - it ain't saying much. Just because one turd has peanuts in it(Jake - he add something else), versus other turds without, don't mean both turds shouldn't be flushed down the toilet!

Chesse i kno all this i just like to get krang going.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by azcardsfan1616
Yeah imagine if he only had 20 TO's we might have had a bye in the first round. I believe we had another QB that year who couldnt get the job done.

Are you now saying Jake is good because Dave Brown is bad? No crap ave Brown sucked - Guys aren't good because you compare them to other guys who stink - it's not a valid argument.

Oh and with two less turnovers - we do have a first round bye. Deoin's pick off of Jake in the second Dallas game which was run back to the one yard line after Deoin baited him, even though he was on one foot is the differenc ein the PI Bowl game and Jake's pass in the flat that Charles Woodson returned for a TD in the Oakland game is the difference in that 23-20 game.

 

[nidan]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
He's a better player than Freddie Jones. He only played in 13 games last year and even in his 13th season had 650 yards. I would take Sharpe ovber Jones in a heartbeat - the guy is not only a great TE, but is a winner and his attitude is something guys feed off.

Maybe he was a better player, I don't know but he is getting long in the touth now.

Also if guys feeding off Sharpe's attitude is a good idea, would this not also apply to Emmit ?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by nidan
Maybe he was a better player, I don't know but he is getting long in the touth now.

Also if guys feeding off Sharpe's attitude is a good idea, would this not also apply to Emmit ?

Sharpe is still producing at a high level whereas I have already seen Emmitt declining for three years now - also - Sharpe isn't taking away playing time from a young stud and it's not as if Sharpe was the marquee signing for a team that was horrible last year.

 

[HoodieBets]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
Are you now saying Jake is good because Dave Brown is bad? No crap ave Brown sucked - Guys aren't good because you compare them to other guys who stink - it's not a valid argument.

Oh and with two less turnovers - we do have a first round bye. Deoin's pick off of Jake in the second Dallas game which was run back to the one yard line after Deoin baited him, even though he was on one foot is the differenc ein the PI Bowl game and Jake's pass in the flat that Charles Woodson returned for a TD in the Oakland game is the difference in that 23-20 game.

Chesse look at my above post. I figured some pro jake rant would get people goin. With no picks signing this is the only thing to do. It is fun to get to krang tho.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by azcardsfan1616
Chesse look at my above post. I figured some pro jake rant would get people goin. With no picks signing this is the only thing to do. It is fun to get to krang tho.

just saw it. Can training camp start already. I will not talk about draft picks until training camp starts because there is no reason to - unless they sign.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Hmm...you mean the Denver line that gave up 40 something sacks last year?

Our line gave up over a dozen less (maybe even 20 less).

Twice in one day!

That's the difference between Jake and Griese, they'll give up less sacks this year because Jake doen't take sacks. In some ways that's nice, in some ways when he's throwing the ball blindly to avoid a sack, you wish he WOULD take a sack now and then.

But he's a winner and winners try to make plays on every down apparently.

 

[Wild Card]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
Sharpe is still producing at a high level whereas I have already seen Emmitt declining for three years now

CB:

Since his best season, 1997 (72-1,107-3), Shannon Sharpe's performance has tailed off significantly. His yards-per-reception last year, 11.2, were over four yards less than in '97, and a full yard lower than his career average. He's clearly lost a step, and his speed is what always made him special as a TE. It certainly wasn't his blocking.

I think the comparison with Emmitt Smith is an apt one. They're both, at this stage of their careers, more team leaders than difference-makers. I'll bet, though, that Emmitt contributes more to the Cards' offense this season than Sharpe does to the Broncos.

WC

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by azcardsfan1616
I believe this is the same bronco line with SB rings correct? Krang how come jake is the only QB to take this team to the playoffs? That means any other QB we had is worse than him bc they couldnt do what he did right?

I wanted to come back to this post....NO it is NOT the same line.

Ever heard of injuries and free agency?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Russ Smith
Twice in one day!

That's the difference between Jake and Griese, they'll give up less sacks this year because Jake doen't take sacks. In some ways that's nice, in some ways when he's throwing the ball blindly to avoid a sack, you wish he WOULD take a sack now and then.

But he's a winner and winners try to make plays on every down apparently.

Twice in one day?

But you also have to take in account all the teams that stacked the line against Jake....those teams, in theory, should have more sacks.

 

[Lex]

Russ- in your world everything bad is Jake Plummers fault.

In your world everything good is done in spite of Jake Plummer.

The statistics you lean on for your opinions, are all twisted to prove Jake Plummer is the root of all evil.

You have set yourself up to undergo a screen name change by the middle of this season.

Enjoy!

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by azcardsfan1616
It is fun to get to krang tho.

You haven't gotten to me. Keep tellin' yourself that.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Lex
Russ- in your world everything bad is Jake Plummers fault.

In your world everything good is done in spite of Jake Plummer.

The statistics you lean on for your opinions, are all twisted to prove Jake Plummer is the root of all evil.

You have set yourself up to undergo a screen name change by the middle of this season.

Enjoy!

30 turnovers is not an opinion.....Dem's da facs!

 

[Wild Card]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Hmm...you mean the Denver line that gave up 40 something sacks last year? Our line gave up over a dozen less (maybe even 20 less).

Krang:

There wasn't that big a difference in results. Cardinals QBs got sacked 41 times last year, (Plummer 36, McCown 5) even with that great elusiveness of Jake's we hear so much about. Denver gave up the 5th-highest number of sacks in the league, with 46 total (Griese 34, Beuerlein 12).

It amuses me, though, when I hear Broncos fans rhapsodize about how effective Plummer will be behind a "real" o-line. I see a line known for its run-blocking and not much more.

WC