JJ Watt possibly out for the season

[Krangodnzr]

He was **** in because he literally tripped over his own feet ALL THE DAMN TIME. More then any RB I’ve ever seen EVER. Lol

If Beanie had better balance, that dude would have been amazing.

 

[Dr. Jones]

If Beanie had better balance, that dude would have been amazing.

I still watch that stiff arm highlight from SNF against the giants. What a flippin HOSS he was.

It's the first highlight of this video package. And boy..... it's a fun watch.

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[BigRedRage]

I mean, take the season off if need be. if it means you are very strong come playoff time, it works.

 

[ajcardfan]

For one I'm guessing more limited snaps. Somewhere in the 50-60% range rather than the 75% he's been playing. And there will be games where we will be up enough in the 2nd half where they barely use him.

And I'm guessing they only use him until playoffs are assured then sit him until the playoffs.

Will he be the same though? Maybe he plays but can he play to the same level?

He was playing great with it in the Texans game. Why would he be worse now?

I think he will come back. But if he feels like he can't play at that JJ Watt level then I think he won't. When he plays he isn't going to play afraid due to his shoulder.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Or a blade of grass.

Or mind control from one of the white lines

 

[GatorAZ]

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[Shane]

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Well that’s it I guess?

 

[jf-08]

Or a blade of grass.

I always thought it was a yardage line.

 

[BritCard]

Well that’s it I guess?

Why didn't he have surgery then?

My guess is they don't see him back until after the Bye week. Seemed silly to play him vs Panthers and Chicks before the Bye.

 

[speedy]

Why didn't he have surgery then?

My guess is they don't see him back until after the Bye week. Seemed silly to play him vs Panthers and Chicks before the Bye.

That has to be it. No sx at this time, but 3 weeks of rest and rehab. That’s the only thing that makes sense to me.

 

[speedy]

Well that’s it I guess?

I think he is going to rest and rehab- I believe he plans on playing this regular season.

 

[overseascardfan]

From what was reported his shoulder was going to require nothing less than season ending surgery. Either they (organization) reported the worst case scenario because they didn't know (which I doubt) or they were leaving the decision up to JJ. Point is he should have just had the surgery, delaying it only delays his rehabilitation to get ready for next year.

 

[BritCard]

From what was reported his shoulder was going to require nothing less than season ending surgery. Either they (organization) reported the worst case scenario because they didn't know (which I doubt) or they were leaving the decision up to JJ. Point is he should have just had the surgery, delaying it only delays his rehabilitation to get ready for next year.

It doesn't really delay anything. It's a 3 month rehab. He can do it any time and be full go for camp easily.

 

[bankybruce]

Officially on IR!

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[PACardsFan]

Beanie was a beast. Those that criticize him are brainless.

 

[PACardsFan]

Just play the dude ASAP!!! No guarantees that 7-1 turns into a playoff spot without him.

 

[Shane]

Beanie was a beast. Those that criticize him are brainless.

A beast that could be blown over by a cool breeze.... Derrick Henry is a beast. Beanie was no Derrick Henry. You should have said “in college”

 

[Chris_Sanders]

IR now means he can come back after the bye and miss just 2 games

 

[Red on White]

JJ knows the clock is ticking and how many genuine playoff/superbowl chances do you get in a career?

Surgery now to be ready for next season...? Who knows how next season will unfold or what our roster will be.

What we know is that we're 7-1 now with a squad capable of contending. Roll the dice

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

A beast that could be blown over by a cool breeze.... Derrick Henry is a beast. Beanie was no Derrick Henry. You should have said “in college”

Henry never tried to play on a blown out knee that required microfracture surgery either.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I mean, obviously "most important player on D" is an opinion that's impossible to quantify. But Watt was playing just over 80% of the defensive snaps. Our defense went from 10th in DVOA last year to 2nd now, and there have been a lot of moving parts contributing to that change.

The defensive line this year is 19th in adjusted line yards and 5th in adjusted sack rate. Last year we were 18th and 9th.

If I had to guess, I'd wager that either Budda Baker or Simmons have been the most important player on the defense. They're out there almost all the time. Simmons is a matchup nightmare and has relieved the stress on a secondary that has been undermanned. Baker hasn't been coming downhill to make big plays, but he's absolutely locked down the middle of the field in a role that I didn't think he'd be comfortable in.

Still think it's Budda or Simmons?

 

[Chopper0080]

Still think it's Budda or Simmons?

They all work in conjunction. Vance keeps Budda playing deep S and it has limited vertical passing plays. That is critical even if it minimizes Budda's statistical impact. Vance has Simmons playing backwards in coverage which is taking away easy passes in the middle of the field which is important. Where JJ is missed is that Vance likes to play a safe defense and then count on his defensive front to win 4 on 5. Watt was able to do that at times whereas most of these other guys can't.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

They all work in conjunction. Vance keeps Budda playing deep S and it has limited vertical passing plays. That is critical even if it minimizes Budda's statistical impact. Vance has Simmons playing backwards in coverage which is taking away easy passes in the middle of the field which is important. Where JJ is missed is that Vance likes to play a safe defense and then count on his defensive front to win 4 on 5. Watt was able to do that at times whereas most of these other guys can't.

Yes- roles and responsibilities may change, but JJ Watt was the biggest difference maker in the D earlier in the season and we need him back badly.

I saw that Donald had like 11 hurries and that our D-line had around 10. We're not getting any pressure from our D-line, which is exposing our secondary. Turnovers have also covered up a lot of questionable D as well - hard to rely on that all year.

Are you saying that the Cards are playing Budda as a centerfielder type last line of defense safety? Is that because Thompson is more likely to give up the Jefferson type bomb last night? Either way, having Budda play the role of a deep safety seems to skew away from his strengths.

 

[Chopper0080]

Yes- roles and responsibilities may change, but JJ Watt was the biggest difference maker in the D earlier in the season and we need him back badly.

I saw that Donald had like 11 hurries and that our D-line had around 10. We're not getting any pressure from our D-line, which is exposing our secondary. Turnovers have also covered up a lot of questionable D as well - hard to rely on that all year.

Are you saying that the Cards are playing Budda as a centerfielder type last line of defense safety? Is that because Thompson is more likely to give up the Jefferson type bomb last night? Either way, having Budda play the role of a deep safety seems to skew away from his strengths.

Jalen Thompson's tackling has enabled Vance to play Budda deep. Playing Budda deep has forced QBs to check the ball down or hold the ball longer. And Vance isn't necessarily concerned with playing to players strengths, who can execute the scheme best. Vance plays Budda deep because Vance feels Budda is the player who can best play deep S and he has a player in Jalen who can support vs the run. This is why Vallejo and Gardeck play over Zaven and why Simmons struggles at times.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Jalen Thompson's tackling has enabled Vance to play Budda deep. Playing Budda deep has forced QBs to check the ball down or hold the ball longer. And Vance isn't necessarily concerned with playing to players strengths, who can execute the scheme best. Vance plays Budda deep because Vance feels Budda is the player who can best play deep S and he has a player in Jalen who can support vs the run. This is why Vallejo and Gardeck play over Zaven and why Simmons struggles at times.

I'm just really at a loss as to why a team with title aspirations would draft ILB in the first round twice in a row if that position is effectively marginalized by the D coordinator. It would be one thing if we were running out Keuchly and Thomas Davis, but Collins can't even make it on the field.