Justin Upton is a huge disappointment!

[Chris_Sanders]

#1. He is 23 and some of you need to sit back and let him develop.

#2. For the stat geeks that harp on his batting average:

(his rankings on the diamondbacks)

#2 in Runs
#1 in Hits
#1 in Home Runs
#2 (tied) in Doubles
#3 (tied) in RBIs
#1 in Total Bases
#3 in Walks
#1 in Stolen Bases

He is staring at a 25/25/100/100 season and people are complaining. I am sure that when he is on the All Star Team there will be those talking about how he doesn't deserve it.I say again...rediculous

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[Chris_Sanders]

But I don't think Upton (or Young) will ever be a feared middle-of-the-batting-order type hitter, game in and game out.

Right...which is why he leads the team in HBP. Because you always plunk the guy on the other team who you aren't worried about.

RIDICULOUS. The lot of you.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I seriously wonder if half the people on this thread ever played the game at any level.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

bah

Update on Stats:

STILL on pace for 25/25.

STILL

#2 in runs
#1 in hits
#1 in HR
#2 in Doubles
#3 in RBIs
#1 in SB

Now

#1 in Walks

You guys don't know your you know what from your elbow

 

[Chris_Sanders]

He was a disappointment when this thread posted.

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See the above Stats. You were wrong then and you are still wrong.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

And even then I think before this years all wrapped up he'll have made this thread as ridiculous as some of the previous knee jerk reactions we have seen in the past.

 

[BC867]

RIDICULOUS. The lot of you.

C'mon Chris. When devilalum started this thread in May, Justin Upton was a disappointment for what was expected of him. Striking out, popping up, inconsistent fielding, missing his cutoff men, throwing tantrums in the dugout, etc.

Now that he has begun to respond to the message, he is where we were hoping he would be. That is great!

Apparently the D'backs brass was as disappointed right through May as were many of us. Good! It is having a happy ending. Let's all enjoy it.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

I seriously wonder if half the people on this thread ever played the game at any level.

Doubtful.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

There are 18 players 23 or older playing in the Futures Game. Upton is making his 2nd all-star team. Enough said.

This.

 

[BC867]

I seriously wonder if half the people on this thread ever played the game at any level.

So ASFN -- Arizona Sports Fans Network -- is now AFSPN -- Arizona Former Sports Players Network?

I don't see the relevance of your comment. I've been a baseball fan for over half a century. A devotee. Isn't following the game from that perspective what this board is all about?

After watching the development of thousands of young baseball players, you don't have to be a ballplayer to observe when a young professional was taking too long to rise above bad habits.

 

[PoolBoy]

There are 18 players 23 or older playing in the Futures Game. Upton is making his 2nd all-star team. Enough said.

So ASFN -- Arizona Sports Fans Network -- is now AFSPN -- Arizona Former Sports Players Network?

I don't see the relevance of your comment. I've been a baseball fan for over half a century. A devotee. Isn't following the game from that perspective what this board is all about?

After watching the development of thousands of young baseball players, you don't have to be a ballplayer to observe when a young professional was taking too long to rise above bad habits.

Both incredibly valid statements. Point is, Upton is having an amazing years and quieting the doubters.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Jayson Starks First Half NL MVPs

My ballot: 1) Reyes, 2) Prince Fielder, 3) Lance Berkman, 4) Matt Kemp, 5) Joey Votto, 6) Ryan Braun, 7) Andrew McCutchen, 8) Brian McCann, 9) Roy Halladay, 10) Justin Upton.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I don't see the relevance of your comment.

Doesn't suprise me. You didn't see:

#1. Upton was in line for a 25/25/100/100 season
#2. Upton was clearly the only All Star on this team
#3. Upton was a statistically the best hitter on the team.

Ultimately the reason why I said "I doubt you have ever played the game" was how goofy this comment was:

But I don't think Upton (or Young) will ever be a feared middle-of-the-batting-order type hitter, game in and game out.

And despite all evidence to the contrary, you continue to believe that your prior comments were right on target.

The one thing I do agree with is that you can watch the game for 50 years and have some fantastic insight. In this thread, you have displayed a shot glass worth of knowledge.

 

[BC867]

Doesn't suprise me. You didn't see:

#1. Upton was in line for a 25/25/100/100 season
#2. Upton was clearly the only All Star on this team
#3. Upton was a statistically the best hitter on the team.

You just made my point Chris. You said "didn't" see rather than "don't" see.

Were all three items you mention above the case when devilalum started this thread? No, they weren't.

I'll say it again. At the time:

Justin Upton was a disappointment for what was expected of him. Striking out, popping up, inconsistent fielding, missing his cutoff men, throwing tantrums in the dugout, etc.

This thread is about Justin Upton. Why are you making it about me?

C'mon Mod, let's exchange differences of opinion without personal insults, OK? This board is generally one of the least negative out there.

 

[Mulli]

Just got an Upton shirt. Hope I don't jinx.

 

[BC867]

Just got an Upton shirt. Hope I don't jinx.

Uh oh! Justin is on a big o-fer and his batting average has dropped since briefly reaching .300. And he is back to throwing tantrums in the dugout.

Twice in his at-bat in the eighth inning on Sunday, he called time while the pitcher was in the windup. The first time, the ump gave him the call. The second time he didn't and Upton struck out.

Why is he allowing himself to become distracted instead of concentrating at the plate? And the bigger question. Did Justin reach .300 because Gibson got through to him? Or to be named to the All Star team.

It is a very real possibility that Upton is one of many players over the years with a world of potential physically, but lacking intellectually and emotionally.

It is very disappointing to see that his throwing things in the dugout has returned.

 

[BC867]

It is now four days after my post (above) and Upton is still calling time out while the pitcher is in his windup.

Greinke almost hit him in the head trying to alter his delivery. He indicated, "My bad", but it wasn't his "bad" at all.

D'back or not, it's chicken$hit. Upton is going to make a lot of enemies if he keeps doing it. And possibly get hit in the head in the process.

I've never seen a player do it as often as Upton. Does he think it's a good strategy?

A few games ago, the ump wouldn't give him time out. I expect that will happen a lot more, and possibly get him warned, if he keeps it up.

As a fan, I don't want to see the cleanup hitter on my team have to use tactics like that to succeed.

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

Upton is not the cleanup hitter...
Last night, Grienke was REALLY slow and deliberate, and pitchers use that to their advantage to keep hitters off guard. So, only one side should use tactics? It is annoying as a fan, but both sides are doing it, not just one.

 

[BC867]

Upton is not the cleanup hitter...
Last night, Grienke was REALLY slow and deliberate, and pitchers use that to their advantage to keep hitters off guard. So, only one side should use tactics? It is annoying as a fan, but both sides are doing it, not just one.

Yes, I meant our best hitter. I guess I just don't register Young as a cleanup hitter.

I agree with your point. Upton should offset the pitchers' timing tactics as he waits in the batter's box.

But I don't feel the umps should call time once the pitcher starts his delivery. It cheapens the game and could cause injury, to the batter or pitcher.

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

Yes, I meant our best hitter. I guess I just don't register Young as a cleanup hitter.

I agree with your point. Upton should offset the pitchers' timing tactics as he waits in the batter's box.

But I don't feel the umps should call time once the pitcher starts his delivery. It cheapens the game and could cause injury, to the batter or pitcher.

I completely agree with your last statement. But the ump has the control. Upton will learn what is acceptable once he gets denied a few more times.

 

[Tyler]

Deep Deep Deep grandslam and watched it fly. I love it.

 

[TJ]

6 RBIs tonight including the grand slam!

Although he made one fundamental mistake which I bet Gibby is going to call him on tonight/tomorrow. On the Collmenter throwout at home, Upton had scored and was waiting at home to give him the stand up or slide sign. He gave Collmenter the sign to stand. He was tagged out by a few feet. Upton should have signaled to slide, just to be sure.

 

[BC867]

6 RBIs tonight including the grand slam!

Although he made one fundamental mistake which I bet Gibby is going to call him on tonight/tomorrow. On the Collmenter throwout at home, Upton had scored and was waiting at home to give him the stand up or slide sign. He gave Collmenter the sign to stand. He was tagged out by a few feet. Upton should have signaled to slide, just to be sure.

The Guv'nor and Gracie said they don't give the pitcher the signal to slide in order to avoid injury.

Collmentor was right in crossing the plate standing up, but wrong in slowing down first, just as our pitcher did the night before, but was safe.

Ironically, the replay showed that Collmentor was safe. The ump blew the call.

Then, in his own style, Grace repeated it over and over . . . and over and over . . . and even made fun of himself for repeating it so many times. The Tim McCarver School of Broadcasting lives on.

 

[TJ]

The Guv'nor and Gracie said they don't give the pitcher the signal to slide in order to avoid injury.

Collmentor was right in crossing the plate standing up, but wrong in slowing down first, just as our pitcher did the night before, but was safe.

Ironically, the replay showed that Collmentor was safe. The ump blew the call.

Then, in his own style, Grace repeated it over and over . . . and over and over . . . and even made fun of himself for repeating it so many times. The Tim McCarver School of Broadcasting lives on.

I understand saving the pitcher, but that's a stupid policy if it were true. He's still a baseball player and the game was far from over. He needs to get his ass on the ground. (but worst case scenario, he needs to run it out).

Also, I believe he was out. Ump got the call right. Look at it again. Go to the 1:00 mark

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[AZ Native]

6 RBIs tonight including the grand slam!

Although he made one fundamental mistake which I bet Gibby is going to call him on tonight/tomorrow. On the Collmenter throwout at home, Upton had scored and was waiting at home to give him the stand up or slide sign. He gave Collmenter the sign to stand. He was tagged out by a few feet. Upton should have signaled to slide, just to be sure.

Actually, Collmenter was safe, the ump was not in position to see the tag. Not Upton's fault, he told him to stand up, not slow down. A slide may have been too dangerous, so Upton did the right thing.