Knicks & Suns Trade Q for KT

[coloradosun]

Casey Jacobsen still has no business being on this team.

Anyone have a link for the FA list that Eric put up a couple weeks ago? I'm curious as to who the swingmen/shooting guards are that are out there.

Hey beefaroni, we agree on this, Casey does not belong on this team.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I was not expecting a straight up deal, you know my preferences were Ratliff and Nene in a package deal.

I glad you changed your description of Q to a streak shooter who plays average D, you have become enlighted.

I never said anything else about those two things - I didn't include that he was one of the emotional leaders of the team because in a trade scenario, "emotional leader" has about as much value as my toilet paper.

nd to think that any package of Q was somehow going to net Ratliff or Nene is still ludicrous.

 

[elindholm]

Anyone have a link for the FA list that Eric put up a couple weeks ago?

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=54731

 

[Yuma]

sigh...

Q WAS NOT an experiment!

Now Barbosa gets a few more minutes a game at the 2. They won't play Jimmy Jack that many more minutes because they don't want to wear him out either. I think Barbosa is a winner with this trade, too!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Hey beefaroni, we agree on this, Casey does not beong on this team.

HELL HAS FROZEN OVER!

Seriously - the guy is worst "pure shooter" I've ever seen and can't play defense. Please, please, please don't bring him back Suns!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Anyone have a link for the FA list that Eric put up a couple weeks ago?

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=54731

gracias.

 

[jbeecham]

Now what the Suns really need is another swingman. Any ideas?

Paul Coro on AM 1060

How's his 3pt shot?

 

[Cheesebeef]

if they could somehow get Marshall, this team would absolutely roll over people.

That was my thinking. I could easily see Marshall becoming one of the clutchest role players in league history.

that my friend - would be welcomed with open arms! It really sucks defending a player you hate with a passion!

 

[F-Dog]

-did the suns braintrust do this themselves, or was their hand forced (amare?)?

Amare is still playing center, so it wasn't him. Maybe Marion demanded to shift back to SF, but I don't see him having the leverage to force a trade.

-if the suns do not win a title in the next 2 years, is this trade a bust?

Impossible to say. A lot of things can happen in the next 2 years.

-how much of this move was cost-cutting?

Not very much. They'll probably have to sign another expensive player when Kurt Thomas' contract expires, or possibly trade Thomas' expiring contract. As long as Amare is here, the team should be a contender.

-did jim jackson prove enough during the playoffs to lessen q's value?

No, he was already 'proven' long before this year's playoffs. Picking him up in the first place made this trade possible, though.

-should amare now be the frontrunner for league mvp next year, with the team quite obviously focusing on him?

No.

-do the suns now have the best frontline in the nba?

No.

-how does this change drafting strategy?

It raised the priority for drafting a swingman (starting SG/SF is now a long-term need) and lessens the priority for drafting a power forward who can help right away. If the Suns already promised their pick, though, this trade won't matter at all.

 

[Yuma]

We still need 6 more guys, assuming JJ is resigned. This is a gamble by the Suns. We had Q for sure. If for some reason we can't match on JJ, this trade blows up in our face!

 

[fordronken]

Come on, I was pretty close with the Joe Smith scenario.

I think it simply didn't occur to us that Isiah Thomas would overpay for another wing player yet again.

Yes. You were certainly the closest and that's impressive. But point was just that no matter how close we get, it seems like nobody ever even ends up speculating the actual trade that winds up happening. I'm not criticizing. If anything, I'm marvelling at the simple mathematical odds of not ever getting one right.

 

[coloradosun]

HELL HAS FROZEN OVER!

Seriously - the guy is worst "pure shooter" I've ever seen and can't play defense. Please, please, please don't bring him back Suns!

If a guy has to work on his shooting technique, like CJ did, he can never be classified as a pure shooter.

He can play "matador" defense.

I really enjoy this harmonic convergence between us.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Looking at the FA list, I throw my exception at one of two players - Donyell Marshall or Bobby Simmons. Having watched a lot of Clipper games this year, I believe Simmons is a player - steady, hits the open three, decent enough defender - gritty.

 

[Yuma]

It raised the priority for drafting a swingman (starting SG/SF is now a long-term need) and lessens the priority for drafting a power forward who can help right away. If the Suns already promised their pick, though, this trade won't matter at all.

Why? If we resign JJ, noone we draft will start ahead of either him or Marion. We have backup guys for that now.

 

[coloradosun]

sigh...

Q WAS NOT an experiment!

How can you not call signing the BFA available and then trading him not an experiment.

 

[sunsfn]

We still need 6 more guys, assuming JJ is resigned. This is a gamble by the Suns. We had Q for sure. If for some reason we can't match on JJ, this trade blows up in our face!

Yuma,
You can forget the JJ not signing with this team.........Okay?

You are as bad as Joe Mama in saying there is no way in H... the suns would trade Q this off season.........

 

[Cheesebeef]

-if the suns do not win a title in the next 2 years, is this trade a bust?

No. The only way you could say that would be if you thought that the team before the trade had a better chance of winning a title. Watching the level of play between the Spurs and Pistons in the last couple of games, I think the reality is that last year's Suns were farther away than any of us really wanted to acknowledge.

totally agree.

 

[B-Dogg]

Well now that it apprears we may have created more time for Barbosa to play the two spot, I still like the option of bringing in J Williams to play point behind Nash. I really feel like he would be perfect to groom to take this team over as Nash gets older....

 

[Cheesebeef]

How can you not call signing the BFA avaiable and then trading him not an experiment.

yeah - I gotta agree with colorado on this one.

 

[Yuma]

Yes. You were certainly the closest and that's impressive. But point was just that no matter how close we get, it seems like nobody ever even ends up speculating the actual trade that winds up happening. I'm not criticizing. If anything, I'm marvelling at the simple mathematical odds of not ever getting one right.

I agree. However, I brought this up two weeks ago and was hammered on it. Too many guys think pie in the sky on proposed trades in here. Last off season there were a few of us that wanted KT in a trade. I guess we were a season ahead of BC! Had to get Q first so we could trade to get KT I guess!

 

[Chaplin]

Looking at the FA list, I throw my exception at one of two players - Donyell Marshall or Bobby Simmons. Having watched a lot of Clipper games this year, I believe Simmons is a player - steady, hits the open three, decent enough defender - gritty.

Simmons will sign somewhere where he can be a starter, and that's not with the Suns.

 

[coloradosun]

yeah - I gotta agree with colorado on this one.

I am marking this day down on my calendar, it must be the full moon.

 

[Yuma]

How can you not call signing the BFA avaiable and then trading him not an experiment.

Steve Nash was the BFA last year by virtue of being league MVP! Check and Mate my Commrad!

 

[F-Dog]

Actually, I'm thinking Jim Jackson will replace Q in the starting lineup.

You're probably making a joke ... uh, right? Why would the Suns make this deal for Thomas just to park him on the bench and play more small ball?

You think the Suns are going to give up small ball? With D'Antoni as coach and 62 wins behind them?

Kurt Thomas is a solid veteran who's capable of starting, but you can say the same thing about Jim Jackson. IMO the decision will be up to D'Antoni, which means Kurt Thomas is coming off the bench.

 

[Yuma]

Yuma,
You can forget the JJ not signing with this team.........Okay?

You are as bad as Joe Mama in saying there is no way in H... the suns would trade Q this off season.........

Hey, it's not a done deal, yet. When he gets re-signed, I will rest a LOT better!