Kobe strikes again

[dreamcastrocks]

Yep I agree. The real problem here is that what Kobe does works. If the Refs would consistently call offensive fouls on him, he would stop. Same with Gifloppi.

Dirty play has always been part of the game. This isn't some new tactic Kobe invented. He went with it because it works. It is lazy referring and preferential treatment of certain players that encourages the dirty play.

The only reason Kobe gets suspended is so that the blame goes on one player instead of the real problem which is officiating as a whole.

Absolutely agree.

 

[D-Dogg]

Yep I agree. The real problem here is that what Kobe does works. If the Refs would consistently call offensive fouls on him, he would stop. Same with Gifloppi.

Dirty play has always been part of the game. This isn't some new tactic Kobe invented. He went with it because it works. It is lazy referring and preferential treatment of certain players that encourages the dirty play.

The only reason Kobe gets suspended is so that the blame goes on one player instead of the real problem which is officiating as a whole.

:notworthy


I agree completely.

 

[Covert Rain]

Yep I agree. The real problem here is that what Kobe does works. If the Refs would consistently call offensive fouls on him, he would stop. Same with Gifloppi.

Dirty play has always been part of the game. This isn't some new tactic Kobe invented. He went with it because it works. It is lazy referring and preferential treatment of certain players that encourages the dirty play.

The only reason Kobe gets suspended is so that the blame goes on one player instead of the real problem which is officiating as a whole.

I would hardly call Kobe's actions the Refs fault. That is cop out to the Nth degree. Did Kobe invent dirty play? No. If you want to say that players do some dirty things because the league allows it then OK. However, a player who isn't a dirty player doesn't suddenly become one because the calls are lax. Just like a dirty player won't change his stripes if they starting calling it tighter. The only thing that would change for that player is that he would get more T's and more fines. There is a reason a tiger doesn't change his stripes.

I watch the Lakers all the time. If Kobe was constantly elbowing people in the face and getting away with it then I would agree. However, clearly these two instances were much more extreme then a typical player trying to make contact. Unless you count trying to push another players nose through the back of his head typical.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

John Stockton was a 1000 times dirtier than Kobe is and never got an ounce of grief over it. Why? Because the refs let him do it.

People are letting their dislike of Kobe/Lakers cloud their judgement here.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

John Stockton was a 1000 times dirtier than Kobe is and never got an ounce of grief over it. Why? Because the refs let him do it.

People are letting their dislike of Kobe/Lakers cloud their judgement here.

Agree again.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

I don't see how this is any different than a guy pump faking and throwing their shoulder into the jumping player. It's Jackson covering his you know what IMO.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

not at all - stockton was dirty as hell as well - so were a lot of team of that era - the game is changing though from that era and hopefully some of the obstruction and dirty play will get cracked down on

also, what stockton did was a little different - he tended to grab, hold, shift into people - never really hit anyone in the face with an elbow

it's stupid to justify an action that is against the rule by saying - well "x" does it as well

 

[dreamcastrocks]

not at all - stockton was dirty as hell as well - so were a lot of team of that era - the game is changing though from that era and hopefully some of the obstruction and dirty play will get cracked down on

also, what stockton did was a little different - he tended to grab, hold, shift into people - never really hit anyone in the face with an elbow

it's stupid to justify an action that is against the rule by saying - well "x" does it as well

Your right, but it proves that this league does not officiate evenly. Officiating is different from player to player, and star to star.

 

[Covert Rain]

John Stockton was a 1000 times dirtier than Kobe is and never got an ounce of grief over it. Why? Because the refs let him do it.

People are letting their dislike of Kobe/Lakers cloud their judgement here.

Well I am not a Kobe or Laker hater. Though my respect for him over the last couple years has all but dried up. I just call it like I see it. Also, there were lots of people who used to say that about John Stockton and more so about Karl Malone. So I would hardly say they didn't get an ounce of grief over it.

There has always been star treatment in this league. We all know that. However, none of this exhonorates or excuses a player for taking a cheap shot at another.

 

[msdundee]

However you look at it, Kobe had best take this last suspension to heart. Jackson said he was surprised to see the same thing happen again and the next time will warrant a longer suspension.

I don't think this is necessarily any kind of war against Kobe. Depending on the circumstances, it wouldn't surprise me to see other such penalties for hard fouls/flagrant fouls -- especially anything that connects above the shoulders and results in injury or blood. That has too much potential for serious damage.

 

[sunsfn]

What Stockton did was cheat!
Holding, pushing, grabbing is not dirty!

What Kobe is doing is dirty, and dangerous. Kobe has used his elbows to the face too many times in the last couple years and we have all seen it.

What I do not understand is, why does he do it? He is considered by many to be the best basketball player in the NBA.
I do not like him as a person, but I think he is one of the best players in the NBA and, he gets his share of calls without doing this.

 

[elindholm]

You can't read anything into Ginobili's or Jaric's explanations. That's just the same old honor code. A fellow NBA player will almost never call out someone's dirty play, because the repercussions are too severe.

 

[azirish]

I was not aware of Stockton being "dirty", but Karl Malone was a totally different story.

 

[D-Dogg]

You can't read anything into Ginobili's or Jaric's explanations. That's just the same old honor code. A fellow NBA player will almost never call out someone's dirty play, because the repercussions are too severe.

They also never say that kind of stuff either, that they are shocked or amazed,.

If they truly felt it was dirty, they'd just say "it's part of the game, you know. You battle through it." or some other cliche that shows they aren't happy but not really calling anyone out.

Kobe apologized on court to both Jaric and Ginobli...in fact he was flipping out about Manu thinking he had hurt him and was asking Tim Duncan if he was ok. Sounds like an intentional act to me. :roll: You know what a guy who commits an intentional act sounds like? Raja's clothesline comes to mind...no apology there. Hell, even Kobe's assault on Mike Miller comes to mind...he didn't apologize for that...because he meant to do it.

 

[elindholm]

Kobe apologized on court to both Jaric and Ginobli...in fact he was flipping out about Manu thinking he had hurt him and was asking Tim Duncan if he was ok. Sounds like an intentional act to me.

Well, it's a cover, obviously. I don't think that Bryant's any worse than most players looking for "star treatment" edges, but to attempt to exonerate him with patently meaningless evidence is pretty silly.

 

[TJ]

If you believe that that was unintentional, then you sir are an idiot

 

[D-Dogg]

If you believe that that was unintentional, then you sir are an idiot

Snappy.

 

[D-Dogg]

Kobe apologized on court to both Jaric and Ginobli...in fact he was flipping out about Manu thinking he had hurt him and was asking Tim Duncan if he was ok. Sounds like an intentional act to me.

Well, it's a cover, obviously. I don't think that Bryant's any worse than most players looking for "star treatment" edges, but to attempt to exonerate him with patently meaningless evidence is pretty silly.

LOL

 

[elindholm]

LOL

"LOL" what? You've never seen kids on the playground hurt someone, then go out of their way to apologize so that it looks like they didn't mean it?

If it looks like b.s. and smells like b.s., it's most likely b.s.

 

[TJ]

check out espn.com home page. Most of the US thinks Kobe should have been suspended for 3+ games

 

[Chris_Sanders]

If you believe that that was unintentional, then you sir are an idiot

Welcome to the first day of your 3 day break.

 

[Covert Rain]

Welcome to the first day of your 3 day break.

I think in honor of Kobe only getting one day you should only give him one. What do you think?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I think in honor of Kobe only getting one day you should only give him one. What do you think?

No he has been using symbols to get around the language filter too. The rules are the same for everyone here.

 

[Covert Rain]

No he has been using symbols to get around the language filter too. The rules are the same for everyone here.

It was a joke.

 

[D-Dogg]

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/03/07/ap3496034.html

Lakers coach Phil Jackson was restrained in disagreeing with the suspension, but couldn't help letting some sarcasm drip through.

"In this league, everybody's got a pretty face, and we're going to try to keep it that way," Jackson said before the Lakers' game at Milwaukee.

Jackson acknowledged that the two plays Bryant was suspended for are similar, but made it clear that he didn't agree with the punishment.

"If they're going to make a call, even if they're wrong, they'll still be consistent," Jackson said.

Bryant, second in the NBA with 29.2 points per game, missed Wednesday night's game and forfeited about $161,000 in salary.

Jackson said Bryant was simply using his normal follow-through in an attempt to draw a foul.

"I think I'm going to have to put about 50 clips of Kobe shooting his shot and his arms going out like that so the judger of this deed of Kobe's sees that he does this a lot," Jackson said. "It's not an unnatural basketball motion."
And Jackson said Bryant is hardly the only player who uses his arms to create space for shots or draw fouls, pointing to the Lakers' Dec. 17 overtime loss to Washington in which Gilbert Arenas shot 27 free throws.

"He was throwing his arms out there to create a foul situation, and got the calls that night," Jackson said. "So I know that it does work for some players on given nights."

Steel, even Phil Jackson says Kobe does this (the flailing) quite often. I'm going to have to go with my eyes and the coach's comments on this one.