Kyler Murray Appreciation Thread

[MadCardDisease]

Michael Wilson doesn't really separate.

Maybe he's the one Kyler needs to throw those back shoulder fades to instead of MHJ for now though.

Wilson actually can get separation. He runs pretty solid routes.

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[oaken1]

Okay and why do you have to attack an entire generation of people when the thing you are accusing him of doing is done by plenty of people of all age groups?

Common tactic when a person's age or IQ points are under 40

 

[DVontel]

I said the one flaw this WR core has is that no one is really a burner like that. MHJ is a long strider. Wilson is a very good route router, but clearly not fast. Dortch is more quick & elusive than anything. Zay Jones is older.

Dudes that can catch most of the tough catches, which fits Kyler’s skillset the best, but really no burners.

 

[kerouac9]

I said the one flaw this WR core has is that no one is really a burner like that. MHJ is a long strider. Wilson is a very good route router, but clearly not fast. Dortch is more quick & elusive than anything. Zay Jones is older.

Dudes that can catch most of the tough catches, which fits Kyler’s skillset the best, but really no burners.

You’re saying we need a Rondale Moore type?

 

[Stout]

I get it, but OL is good. Weapons are ok. RB is good. The surrounding pieces are good enough to evaluate a QB. All I can ask for.

I'd say less good enough to evaluate a QB and more "No more excuses" time.

 

[TheCardFan]

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[kerouac9]

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I don't know if it's fair to put this all on the receivers. If the throw comes late in the route or whatever the defender has time to recover. Kyler also could be throwing to covered defenders.

 

[Shane]

I don't know if it's fair to put this all on the receivers. If the throw comes late in the route or whatever the defender has time to recover. Kyler also could be throwing to covered defenders.

Uh oh chum in the water for a particular group around here lol

 

[oaken1]

I don't know if it's fair to put this all on the receivers. If the throw comes late in the route or whatever the defender has time to recover. Kyler also could be throwing to covered defenders.

It says "at the time of the throw".... would be nice to see "at the time of the catch" to go along with it.
Based on this chart he might just be throwing them open or making timing passes before their breaks

 

[kerouac9]

It says "at the time of the throw".... would be nice to see "at the time of the catch" to go along with it.
Based on this chart he might just be throwing them open or making timing passes before their breaks

Yeah. Some of these metrics don't do much for me outside of, like, trivia. This analysis is based on 86 attempts, also, so it's probably pretty noisy.

 

[TheCardFan]

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[DaHilg]

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This is very noticeable

 

[Brian in Mesa]

I'd say less good enough to evaluate a QB and more "No more excuses" time.

Four years from now: "We're trying to evaluate him as our QB..."

 

[CardNots]

I don't really blame Kyler for the loss on Sunday. We shouldn't turn this thread into a rollercoaster of "Kyler is great!" one week and "Kyler sucks!" the next.

He played ok, we could have won the game and probably would have if a few things broke our way.

but, here we are…

 

[CardNots]

Michael Wilson doesn't really separate.

Maybe he's the one Kyler needs to throw those back shoulder fades to instead of MHJ for now though.

Game 5 solution coming.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I don't know if it's fair to put this all on the receivers. If the throw comes late in the route or whatever the defender has time to recover. Kyler also could be throwing to covered defenders.

Was thinking something similar. Just no way to know how much of it falls on Kyler though. He could be throwing a bit late after the defender closes the distance a bit and he could also not be targeting the most open receiver consistently.

Doesn't seem like a stat that you would be dead last in without the QB playing some sort of role in it, but how much we have pretty much no way of knowing.

What could be helpful is a stat that tracks the average separation the receivers for every team gets on every passing play (targeted or not). This would remove the QB from the equation.

 

[Chopper0080]

It's kinda a funny chart. I don't know about negative yards of separation. Also, throwing with timing and rhythm creates separation as Wrs separate on their breaks and if the QB throws the ball before their break, the throw itself creates separation for the WR and the QB throwing to an open player.

It actually looks bad for Kyler more than the WRs even if I am not putting a whole lot of stock into it. Basically implies Kyler struggles to read the field and find open WRs.

A highlight to this is Andy Dalton vs Bryce Young. Based upon this chart, it would seem that Bryce Young throws to open players 63% of the time but his WRs don't create separation. But Andy Dalton is throwing to the same WRs who magically create more separation when he is playing QB, and he throws to open WRs 6% more often.

Does nobody read my posts? lol

 

[kerouac9]

What could be helpful is a stat that tracks the average separation the receivers for every team gets on every passing play (targeted or not). This would remove the QB from the equation.

That's dynamic, though. Rondale Moore had crazy separation metrics because he got like 80% of his targets behind the LOS. I'm 100% sure most if not all NFL teams are running numbers like this, but it's a broad array of metrics that are useful.

How open are guys after 3 seconds? How often is the QB throwing to the receiver with the most separation on a play?

 

[DaHilg]

I just don’t understand why they don’t roll kyler out 8-10 times a game. Was unreal when they at least seemingly had that as a consistent play vs the rams (often play action roll out). It just seems to easy - what I am missing here ?

 

[DaHilg]

I just don’t understand why they don’t roll kyler out 8-10 times a game. Was unreal when they at least seemingly had that as a consistent play vs the rams (often play action roll out). It just seems to easy - what I am missing here ?

More to compound on this… Kyler has the highest QB rating in the NFL outside of the pocket.. followed by Daniels and then Josh Allen. Why not do more of what he’s great at? I think it will only help him inside the pocket as well

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I appreciate he's a Grey's Anatomy fan...hahaha

https://www.instagram.com/stories/k1/3467130904504046496?igsh=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

 

[Crimson Warrior]

More to compound on this… Kyler has the highest QB rating in the NFL outside of the pocket.. followed by Daniels and then Josh Allen. Why not do more of what he’s great at? I think it will only help him inside the pocket as well

K1 so so dangerous rolling out unless the opposing defense has at least two players in front of him!

And it seemed like DP did move K1 around a lot in the 1st half against the Lions, to generally good effect.

Then in the 2nd half.. almost nothing! The offense looked very unimaginative in Q3 and Q4.

I want to like DP man. I really do. And his Q1 offensive game plans are Juggernauts. But at least to my untrained, uneducated eye, his 2nd half game plans and play calling are pretty suspicious.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

K1 so so dangerous rolling out unless the opposing defense has at least two players in front of him!

And it seemed like DP did move K1 around a lot in the 1st half against the Lions, to generally good effect.

Then in the 2nd half.. almost nothing! The offense looked very unimaginative in Q3 and Q4.

I want to like DP man. I really do. And his Q1 offensive game plans are Juggernauts. But at least to my untrained, uneducated eye, his 2nd half game plans and play calling are pretty suspicious.

You'd think a generational QB would be able to tell the coach what he feels is working so the gameplan could be tweaked, or he'd audible into plays he feels would work better, but alas I guess K1 feels that is not his job.