Kyler Murray Debate Thread

[602 Native]

Kind of disagree. When you have bottom of the barrel players, these guys are fighting to keep their jobs every week. Tonga is going to work on his pass rush even if it likely isn't going to result in sacks. I see very few dudes on this roster who I believe are not workers. Stills seems like he is giving it his all. Lopez. Collins. ST5 is doing the best he can IMO.

I am curious what guys you think are not hard workers on this squad because I can't see many and those that aren't won't be in the league long.

You’re not gonna want to hear this but Marv might be one.

Also workers know the play book up and down. Workers don’t commit a ton of mental mistakes. Workers don’t commit penalties. Pointing out that the team doesn’t have that worker mentality doesn’t mean there aren’t any on the team. I truly believe there are some but I don’t think that is who this team is.

 

[Redsz]

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FWIW on the Kyler vs Petzing debate.

Gambo says that Kyler is processing things too fast and not seeing guys getting open.

I couldn't tell if this was his opinion or if this is coming from the Cardinals.

 

[bankybruce]

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FWIW on the Kyler vs Petzing debate.

Gambo says that Kyler is processing things too fast and not seeing guys getting open.

I couldn't tell if this was his opinion or if this is coming from the Cardinals.

I just watched it. It's interesting that someone posted yesterday that the pocket breaks down in like 3.2 seconds for Kyler, while the league average was 5 seconds. That would directly contradict what Gambo is saying here. It the WR is open after the 3.2 second, or after he make a cut as Gambo says, then Kyler is already scrambling and looking for his safety valve. Sounds like a protection issue to me then.

 

[Shane]

I just watched it. It's interesting that someone posted yesterday that the pocket breaks down in like 3.2 seconds for Kyler, while the league average was 5 seconds. That would directly contradict what Gambo is saying here. It the WR is open after the 3.2 second, or after he make a cut as Gambo says, then Kyler is already scrambling and looking for his safety valve. Sounds like a protection issue to me then.

Is it though? I remember them talking about snap to release times for most high level QBs during a broadcast. Generally the best QBs are getting rid of the ball in about 2.5 seconds. If IIRC the Goats like Tome brady and Mahomes regularly were in the 2.2 to 2.3 range...

 

[bankybruce]

Is it though? I remember them talking about snap to release times for most high level QBs during a broadcast. Generally the best QBs are getting rid of the ball in about 2.5 seconds. If IIRC the Goats like Tome brady and Mahomes regularly were in the 2.2 to 2.3 range...

That's my point. If it's take 5 seconds for the play to develop, Kyler can't get it out in 2.5 seconds. Right?

 

[daves]

It's interesting that someone posted yesterday that the pocket breaks down in like 3.2 seconds for Kyler, while the league average was 5 seconds.

I don't have a reference & can't research it right now, but I don't think ANY team provides 5 seconds of clean pocket.

 

[K1Day1]

I just watched it. It's interesting that someone posted yesterday that the pocket breaks down in like 3.2 seconds for Kyler, while the league average was 5 seconds. That would directly contradict what Gambo is saying here. It the WR is open after the 3.2 second, or after he make a cut as Gambo says, then Kyler is already scrambling and looking for his safety valve. Sounds like a protection issue to me then.

Thanks for the post ! ! !.. I heard Gambo say that today and it made absolutely NO sense. If any QB has to wait for a route to develop that shortens the time he has to read other routes. Then it's the QB's fault for not processing routes fast enough ( No win situation ). It was stated before the game that Herbert is averaging about 2 to 2.5 seconds a game before his release. Asking your QB to hang on to the ball for long enough for routes to develop sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. If a receiver has one-on-one and can't get open.. Sounds a a scheme problem of a receiver problem but to blame any NFL QB for not hanging on to the ball and taking their time to wait for plays to develop is Absolutely Insane. That only works with screen plays..