Kyler Murray Debate Thread

[kerouac9]

Lol… talking trash after Kyler totally poo the bed in his second straight 4th quarter, echoing past seasons of second half collapses, is def a choice.

It’s definitely a vibe that Kyler cannot fail and can only be failed by those around him

 

[Crimson Warrior]

He totally gave away this game. At every key moment he failed with poor decision making.

lol, no.

He had his team in front by 6 with 3 to play. If I would have offered you that before the start of the game, you would fallen all over yourself taking it.

Not saying he didn't fail on the very last drive. He did. But that's not a cardinal sin. Not on the road against a great defense.

And he made several good throws/decisions on the long Q4 drive where we got the our final FG.

Let's not overreact to the grounding call and the last INT.

 

[kerouac9]

He had his team in front by 6 with 3 to play. If I would have offered you that before the start of the game, you would fallen all over yourself taking it.

False

 

[krazy2k]

Does Petzing still have a job as of right this minute? He shouldn't. KM is not a bad quaterback, but he is an average quarterback in a bad system. That equals disaster and yet another 2nd half of the season collapse.

 

[dscher]

Does Petzing still have a job as of right this minute? He shouldn't. KM is not a bad quaterback, but he is an average quarterback in a bad system. That equals disaster and yet another 2nd half of the season collapse.

Agreed. I think it's about time to just state what the eyeball test indicates...Kyler can be a really GOOD QB...but he can also be a tremendously average one if he doesn't have the appropriate system or coaching around him. Having a timid offensive coordinator like petzing does an already timid Murray a huge disservice IMO.

 

[602 Native]

No one cares about Kingsbury. He had nothing to do with this game. Blame it on the OC all you want. Kyler did nothing to help win in the 4th quarter. He just didn't.

Didn’t bring him up

 

[602 Native]

Only time you should play FOR a FG is at end of half or end of game if needed. Petzing calls plays for one anytime we get inside 30. It's pitiful

All game, never seen anything like it in my life

 

[602 Native]

lol, no.

He had his team in front by 6 with 3 to play. If I would have offered you that before the start of the game, you would fallen all over yourself taking it.

Not saying he didn't fail on the very last drive. He did. But that's not a cardinal sin. Not on the road against a great defense.

But he made several good throws/decisions on the long Q4 drive where we got the our final FG.

Let's not overreact to the grounding call and the last INT.

Never Murray’s always overreact.

They still think Max Hall was a good QB.

 

[kerouac9]

Never Murray’s always overreact.

They still think Max Hall was a good QB.

So your vote is for Kylirk Cousrry?

 

[MrYeahBut]

Didn’t bring him up

No matter, my point stands.

 

[Chopper0080]

Both Petzing being bad and Kyler having an atrocious 4th q can be true, and both be independent of the other.

 

[602 Native]

Both Petzing being bad and Kyler having an atrocious 4th q can be true, and both be independent of the other.

4qtr wasn’t where the game was lost.

It was during the first half and most of the 2nd when we saw our ball less OC.

 

[Chopper0080]

4qtr wasn’t where the game was lost.

It was during the first half and most of the 2nd when we saw our ball less OC.

this is like trying to dismiss a valid point because of a grammatical error.

 

[602 Native]

this is like trying to dismiss a valid point because of a grammatical error.

Not at all it wasn’t lost there and K1 did have a poor 4th quarter.

Both things can be true as you said earlier.

 

[Chopper0080]

Not at all it wasn’t lost there and K1 did have a poor 4th quarter.

Both things can be true as you said earlier.

The team was winning heading into the 4th q and then was outscored 10-3 in the 4th losing the game by one. If the game ended after 3 Qs, the Cardinals win. They lost the game in the 4th Q.

Decisions and a lack of red zone execution earlier in the game made it easier to happen but still lost in the 4th.

 

[602 Native]

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[602 Native]

The team was winning heading into the 4th q and then was outscored 10-3 in the 4th losing the game by one. If the game ended after 3 Qs, the Cardinals win. They lost the game in the 4th Q.

Decisions and a lack of red zone execution earlier in the game made it easier to happen but still lost in the 4th.

Don’t kick FGs on the road against good teams.

Say it with me.

Don’t kick FGs on the road against good teams.

 

[Redsz]

lol, no.

He had his team in front by 6 with 3 to play. If I would have offered you that before the start of the game, you would fallen all over yourself taking it.

Not saying he didn't fail on the very last drive. He did. But that's not a cardinal sin. Not on the road against a great defense.

And he made several good throws/decisions on the long Q4 drive where we got the our final FG.

Let's not overreact to the grounding call and the last INT.

Dude, he choked in a clutch situation. It wasn't just those two plays.

He ran out of bounds twice to stop the clock.

He pulled up and tried to juke a LB when he just needed to turn on the corner on an scramble.

He fumbled the ball when he had pressure in his face negating a down.

Do I need to go on?

Just call a spade a spade.

 

[602 Native]

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[TJ]

Dude, he choked in a clutch situation. It wasn't just those two plays.

He ran out of bounds twice to stop the clock.

He pulled up and tried to juke a LB when he just needed to turn on the corner on an scramble.

He fumbled the ball when he had pressure in his face negating a down.

Do I need to go on?

Just call a spade a spade.

I’ll field any argument that shows he’s a top 15-18 QB. It’s laughable to assert that he’s top 10

 

[602 Native]

I’ll field any argument that shows he’s a top 15-18 QB. It’s laughable to assert that he’s top 10

Let me guess you’re a Dan Jones or Trevor Lawerence fan at the beginning of the season.

 

[TJ]

Let me guess you’re a Dan Jones or Trevor Lawerence fan at the beginning of the season.

If you saw my texts between my NYG friends and I, you’d see how much I make fun of Daniel Jones

 

[602 Native]

If you saw my texts between my NYG friends and I, you’d see how much I make fun of Daniel Jones

Post your top 15 brother. Many here have already posted theirs.

 

[602 Native]

3 game winning drives this season and K1 can’t get it done and the Never Murray’s are out in full force saying he can’t win games like this.

So on brand.

 

[602 Native]

Better start using some analytics in Tempe.

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