Kyler Murray Debate Thread

[Russ Smith]

Gee wiz, Russ… he’s probably being even more objective after the loss. Who would ever believe a Cardinal complaining about a penalty, especially knowing his QB was getting killed for it for face planting again.


Do you EVER get tired of whining about the refs? You do it CONSTANTLY in EVERY sport.

Every week with you it's the same thing on every board you post in

Anger management, it's a real thing

 

[Russ Smith]

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So the ball was a bullet from 5 yards away.

Except Murray threw the ball from the 12 yard line and it's on an angle so it's at least 4 or 5 times that many yards in the actual air.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

This is basically the exact same route for the Bengals win except the the pass isn't a rocket at Higgins helmet

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For everyone that doesn’t understand what’s been argued about accuracy, this is exhibit 1. This is accuracy. If you can’t see the difference in ball placement here verse kylers throw, maybe you need glasses . . . or a lobotomy.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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Wow

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

You literally just posted a picture that shows why he didn't lead him outside. Because the guy who ended up intercepting the carom is outside and in a position to come off Wilson and break up the pass if he leads him further.

again no objection to moving on from Kyler if we can get someone better but trying to make THAT pass an example of Kyler being terrible is just silly. They asked McBride about it after the game and he said, he was late getting around because he got held, and that's why he didn't see the ball in time. Said he couldn't believe the result he and Kyler were both yelling for a flag for the hold and then they all thought it would be overturned on replay since the ball touched the ground

Russ, when we say “lead him” we aren’t saying throw it to the sideline. We are saying locate the ball to the outside. There was plenty of room for better placement.

 

[slanidrac16]

Wow

But it’s not Kyler’s fault. It’s Petzing, the o-line, Gannon, the receivers and the refs fault.
Just ask 602 native

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Fans: K1 needs to go deep
Also Fans: It’s K1s fault we don’t go deep

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Wilson needs to catch that. Know what else? Kyker can throw a better ball so Wilson doesn’t have to slow down and have the catch become a contested catch. Again, subpar accuracy.

 

[slanidrac16]

Wilson needs to catch that. Know what else? Kyker can throw a better ball so Wilson doesn’t have to slow down and have the catch become a contested catch. Again, subpar accuracy.

No no. It was the wind.

 

[Russ Smith]

Russ, when we say “lead him” we aren’t saying throw it to the sideline. We are saying locate the ball to the outside. There was plenty of room for better placement.

Trey himself after the game said it would have been a TD but he was late getting around because the guy covering him grabbed him as he was turning to cut outside. I don't have the video to look at the timing of that grab to when Kyler threw the ball but that's what Trey said after the game, I was a beat slow getting my head around because of the contact

 

[602 Native]

Trey himself after the game said it would have been a TD but he was late getting around because the guy covering him grabbed him as he was turning to cut outside. I don't have the video to look at the timing of that grab to when Kyler threw the ball but that's what Trey said after the game, I was a beat slow getting my head around because of the contact

Don’t worry this will be dismissed

 

[602 Native]

Wilson needs to catch that. Know what else? Kyker can throw a better ball so Wilson doesn’t have to slow down and have the catch become a contested catch. Again, subpar accuracy.

LOL

The ball hit him in both hands

Wilson has two jobs

Run a good route and catch balls

He did one of those jobs

 

[602 Native]

But it’s not Kyler’s fault. It’s Petzing, the o-line, Gannon, the receivers and the refs fault.
Just ask 602 native

It’s a rough life for Never Murrays.

Can’t wait for next season when Peturd is gone and K1 is still our QB.

 

[Russ Smith]

Don’t worry this will be dismissed

I'm 100% ok with moving on from Kyler for someone beter I just don't see the point with so many REAL things to complain about why complain about things like that? Earlier this year we ran that exact play, I think it was Green Bay don't actually remember, the CB came off his man and broke up the pass to Trey. That's why Kyler doesn't want to throw it too far outside. The fact that it hit him in the helmet tells you if he's completely turned around and ready it's going to be an easy catch for a TD.

There are so man legit things to complain about I don't see the point on this one. the Steve Smith thing is hilarious, I don't have the dimensions but it's a triangle and the shortest side is the only one we know and that's 12 yards, the distance from where Kyler threw it to the endzone line straight. The other 2 lines are unknown and the longest of those is the distance that ball is in the air. Saying 5 yards on a ball that's at least 20 and probably 23-25 yards in the air shows Smith is just exaggerating.

 

[Russ Smith]

the one to Wilson is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. the difference beween winning and losing game is often plays like that where you don't make the play.

Minnesota holds on against Green Bay because on consecutive plays Jefferson and then Akers make plays on a contested catch(Jefferson) and a bad throw(Akers) they get the first down and win the game. If either one of those doesn't happen, they punt and Green Bay might win the game. We don't make those plays, winning teams do.

Even the blocked XP I've been saying since we got him that's the part with Ryland that scares me, almost every ball he kicks is close to being blocked. He MUST be slow kicking the ball I don't know what else it can be. The blocked XP was someone busting through but almost every one he kicks is close to being blocked.

But if that's not blocked the game goes differently. We are close but we're just not good enough yet to make the plays to win the games

 

[WisconsinCard]

Trey himself after the game said it would have been a TD but he was late getting around because the guy covering him grabbed him as he was turning to cut outside. I don't have the video to look at the timing of that grab to when Kyler threw the ball but that's what Trey said after the game, I was a beat slow getting my head around because of the contact

Any pass catcher would say that. If K1 puts that ball low and outside it's either a TD or an incomplete pass. Ball placement was terrible. Could Trey have caught it? Of course he could have made a crazy catch but it wasn't necessary. It didn't have to be a tough catch. That's the point everyone is making about accuracy from your QB.

 

[Russ Smith]

Any pass catcher would say that. If K1 puts that ball low and outside it's either a TD or an incomplete pass. Ball placement was terrible. Could Trey have caught it? Of course he could have made a crazy catch but it wasn't necessary. It didn't have to be a tough catch. That's the point everyone is making about accuracy from your QB.

Sure I get that, the counter is it didn't have to be low and outside. If Trey has his head around that's a TD where it was thrown, there's no way the DB is going to break that up. It wasn't because Trey was late, because in his own words, he was held coming off the break and it slowed him getting his head around.

It was only a tough catch because of that contact.

 

[602 Native]

I'm 100% ok with moving on from Kyler for someone beter I just don't see the point with so many REAL things to complain about why complain about things like that? Earlier this year we ran that exact play, I think it was Green Bay don't actually remember, the CB came off his man and broke up the pass to Trey. That's why Kyler doesn't want to throw it too far outside. The fact that it hit him in the helmet tells you if he's completely turned around and ready it's going to be an easy catch for a TD.

There are so man legit things to complain about I don't see the point on this one. the Steve Smith thing is hilarious, I don't have the dimensions but it's a triangle and the shortest side is the only one we know and that's 12 yards, the distance from where Kyler threw it to the endzone line straight. The other 2 lines are unknown and the longest of those is the distance that ball is in the air. Saying 5 yards on a ball that's at least 20 and probably 23-25 yards in the air shows Smith is just exaggerating.

I’m 100% ok for moving on for anyone better than K1, JG, MO, and especially Peturd.

So far the best QBs people have come up with are Darnold (first good year in 7 and Vikes are keeping him), and whatever recency bias QB that is on Never Murrays minds. That is the typical QB response from this fan base. They have no idea who should be QB based on a historical perspective.

Hell some of these dudes clamored for Colt and before that Max Hall, Skelton, Rosen, or god forbid Drew Stanton.

So excuse me for not listening to the Mob who didn’t want LJack and wants to toss aside K1.

 

[602 Native]

Any pass catcher would say that. If K1 puts that ball low and outside it's either a TD or an incomplete pass. Ball placement was terrible. Could Trey have caught it? Of course he could have made a crazy catch but it wasn't necessary. It didn't have to be a tough catch. That's the point everyone is making about accuracy from your QB.

Trey himself after the game said it would have been a TD but he was late getting around because the guy covering him grabbed him as he was turning to cut outside. I don't have the video to look at the timing of that grab to when Kyler threw the ball but that's what Trey said after the game, I was a beat slow getting my head around because of the contact

Told You

 

[WisconsinCard]

Sure I get that, the counter is it didn't have to be low and outside. If Trey has his head around that's a TD where it was thrown, there's no way the DB is going to break that up. It wasn't because Trey was late, because in his own words, he was held coming off the break and it slowed him getting his head around.

It was only a tough catch because of that contact.

But if it's low and outside it's not an interception.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Told You

You told nobody nothing except that K1 is great and never at fault. Even tho you yourself called him a choker. Nuff said

 

[daves]

Even Walter is "totally out".

Well, not totally!

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[MaoTosiFanClub]

Well, not totally!

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Kylers best moments came with Christian Kirk as his over the top outlet not Isabella and Rondale. Those two would be terrible even if Mahomes was their QB. That sort of CK receiver is still needed, Dortch is more of a gadget guy. And Rondale was far from a burner.

 

[D-Dogg]

So the ball was a bullet from 5 yards away.

Except Murray threw the ball from the 12 yard line and it's on an angle so it's at least 4 or 5 times that many yards in the actual air.

Kyler can't throw hard, guys. Haven't you read the threads?

FFS. I'm a pragmatist, but if I don't bash the dude I'm apparently sucking his tiny nuts. I know how this board works, been around for a hot minute, but sometimes the blinders are wild.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I’m 100% ok for moving on for anyone better than K1, JG, MO, and especially Peturd.

So far the best QBs people have come up with are Darnold (first good year in 7 and Vikes are keeping him), and whatever recency bias QB that is on Never Murrays minds. That is the typical QB response from this fan base. They have no idea who should be QB based on a historical perspective.

Hell some of these dudes clamored for Colt and before that Max Hall, Skelton, Rosen, or god forbid Drew Stanton.

So excuse me for not listening to the Mob who didn’t want LJack and wants to toss aside K1.

This is so ludicrously ignorant. A lot of the “We Will Never Win With Murray” crowd were big proponents of Lamar Jackson and hoped we’d draft him.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Kyler can't throw.hard, guys. Haven't you read the threads?

FFS. I'm a pragmatist, but if I don't bash the dude I'm apparently sucking his tiny nuts. I know how this board works, been around for a hot minute, but sometimes the blinders are wild.

Lol… they sure are.