LJ Shelton Now The Backup LT

[azdad1978]

LOL dude if I wasn't here you'd be talking to yourself!
We are the nightowls of the ASFN.

Drinking green tea keeps me up at night sometimes.

 

[CardShark]

I really think you guys are making too much of this. Shelton isn't in shape yet to hold that position. I think Green is just putting Davis there to fill in until Shelton is in enough shape to hold his own. Did he say he demoted Shelton because he didn't think he was worthy of a starting role?

 

[jstadvl]

Gotta go

with the shark on this one. It's about L.J.'s weight. He knows what to do. I think Green wants that left side as interchangeable as anything and peanut butter. I don't believe for a second it'll be Big then a fill at LG. it'll be shelton, Big, Kendall, ?(Wells or Spikes) Clement.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I think everybody is reading too much into this.What i see is LJ was warned to come into camp in shape.He didn't.Green tells him that he's no longer starting until he gets his ass in shape.The risk Shelton is taking by being out of shape is that Davis just comes into his own at LT and Shelton is out of his job.If that's the case then LJ will probably be moved to LG or RT. Shelton is probably more athletic than BIg and could be a devastating guard with his ability to pull.I believe he was a basketball player in college also at EMU so you'd think he has pretty good feet. If we sign Page it would actually give the Cards depth at the OL position.The top 7 OL would be Davis,Shelton, Kendall,Wells,Page,Clement,and Stepanovich. That sure beats the days when our backup OL consisted of the likes of Yusuf Scott,a 75 year old John Fina, Chris Dishman, and others.

 

[Wild Card]

Uh DG has a SB ring. How many coach of the years did buddy ryan win. Did buddy ryan make it into the top 10 coaches of all time when he left football like DG did. DG makes mistakes maybe this is one. I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt is all.

VF:

I'd forgotten that Dennis Green was the 49ers' receivers coach for their Super Bowl win following the 1988 season. (Clearly, Green was essential to the success of Jerry Rice and John Taylor. ) You win the Green trivia contest.

And we don't disagree about giving Green "the benefit of the doubt" in this instance. Mavbe you missed this part of my earlier post: "I believe that Green is legitimately one of the better HCs in the league, and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on even (what appear to be) debatable moves, like demoting L.J. Shelton and moving Leonard Davis to OLT."

My only point, in comparing Green to Buddy Ryan, was simply that past performance doesn't guarantee anything. So your endless reciting of Green's resume is sort of beside-the-point, when discussing his actions as HC of the Cardinals. Why not debate the merits of those actions, instead of assuming that Green is infallible based on his previous success? It'd be more interesting.

WC

 

[jmr667]

VF:

Y'know, you really oughta quit posting Dennis Green's resume every time one of his current decisions is called into question. Like they say in the financial markets, "Past performance does not guarantee future results."


WC

The same could be said about Shelton.

Seriously though, the guy is coming back from 2 offseason surgeries. Who was his backup last year? If Shelton can't go all 16 games last year are we all going to be happy to see that backup play? Or would you rather see Big moved over there?
We drafted the guy way high as a LT. Its about time the coaches spent at least a little time to see what he can do there. Better to take some time evaluating Big as an LT during this time than to try during the season.

Either Big gets beat out by Shelton later on during the camps and they know whether Big will ever be a LT (even a backup), or Shelton gets beat out which means we go into the season with an even better LT than Shelton.

Competition for EVERY position. I love it. Who cares how players did on a 5 win team, what we want to know is how good they are going to be next year!

 

[az jam]

Hard for me to get excited about "starting assignments" being announced in early June. Being a new Cardinal fan; I'm a poor judge of the present talent but with a 4-12 record one would think that there would be significant changes. IMO there will be some interesting and maybe unpopular moves between now and the start of the season. Denny wants players to buy into his system and will get rid of those who don't. I do think that there is some good young talent on the team and DG will give them a chance to see what they can do. Although Denny is preaching playoffs this year; the key is putting fans in the stands and having a playoff team in place when the new stadium opens in 2006.

 

[Capital Card]

Perhaps Denny just thinks Big is a better receiver than Shelton?!?

When Josh nailed LJ in the helmit during his first game last year, LJ didn't have his hands up and ready to catch the pass. Maybe he saw something in the tapes that has him thinking Big could have made the play?

 

[vikesfan]

VF:

I'd forgotten that Dennis Green was the 49ers' receivers coach for their Super Bowl win following the 1988 season. (Clearly, Green was essential to the success of Jerry Rice and John Taylor. ) You win the Green trivia contest.

And we don't disagree about giving Green "the benefit of the doubt" in this instance. Mavbe you missed this part of my earlier post: "I believe that Green is legitimately one of the better HCs in the league, and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on even (what appear to be) debatable moves, like demoting L.J. Shelton and moving Leonard Davis to OLT."

My only point, in comparing Green to Buddy Ryan, was simply that past performance doesn't guarantee anything. So your endless reciting of Green's resume is sort of beside-the-point, when discussing his actions as HC of the Cardinals. Why not debate the merits of those actions, instead of assuming that Green is infallible based on his previous success? It'd be more interesting.

WC

Your cheap shot at the SB ring aside, why compare DG to Ryan a failure. Why not compare him to Fisher or Parcells or Cowher. What if Fisher or Parcells or Cowher made this move?

Hey I agree past peformance doesn't guarantee future success. But it is indicative of something. DG has a system. DG knows how to win. If DG makes a move it is because of that system because he knows how to win.

Instead of calling this move debateble, why don't you analyze and see what it really means in the context of the DG Winning System.

The free ride is over. Players are expected to live up to certain expectations. If they don't live up to those expectations they will suffer the consequences. The past doesn't matter. 5 year deals don't matter. Potential doesn't matter. What matters is doing what is expected so the team can win. If you don't want to do that and aren't committed to that it won't just be overlooked. Look what happened with Ray earlier in the day.

 

[Tangodnzr]

VF:

I'd forgotten that Dennis Green was the 49ers' receivers coach for their Super Bowl win following the 1988 season. (Clearly, Green was essential to the success of Jerry Rice and John Taylor. ) You win the Green trivia contest.

And we don't disagree about giving Green "the benefit of the doubt" in this instance. Mavbe you missed this part of my earlier post: "I believe that Green is legitimately one of the better HCs in the league, and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on even (what appear to be) debatable moves, like demoting L.J. Shelton and moving Leonard Davis to OLT."

My only point, in comparing Green to Buddy Ryan, was simply that past performance doesn't guarantee anything. So your endless reciting of Green's resume is sort of beside-the-point, when discussing his actions as HC of the Cardinals. Why not debate the merits of those actions, instead of assuming that Green is infallible based on his previous success? It'd be more interesting.

WC

WORD !

I wonder if VF will ever "get it" that his credibility seems inversely proportional to how much he "speaks".

 

[azdad1978]

WORD !

I wonder if VF will ever "get it" that his credibility seems inversely proportional to how much he "speaks".

I think his loyalty to DG is blinding VF.

 

[az1965]

Bah!

I could care less what Green does with our offensive line. They were horrendous this last year, and the year before.

My woman shuts my mouth everytime I try to speak about what the Cardinals are doing by reminding me of something I said after we cut Blake.

"There is not a player on this team that deserves to keep their spot based on past performance. They ALL are fighting for thier jobs"

AS much as I think Shelton is good, and a nice guy, I also on the other hand have to remember how bad our team has performed over the last couple of seasons. And I also must remember that McGinnis, also another guy I liked, was a pathetic evaluator of talent.

Shelton SHOULD be our LT? No, not untill he earns that spot. If he is a fat cow right now that can't move then good get him off the field. Put someone in there that can play the position. Cause I am tired of watching crappy team after crappy team. It is time to get things done.

Peace

Well, based on this logic Clement should be permanently benched, Spikes does not deserve to start as well, and Big seemed to be lost several times last season...

I think it will be ok if moving Big to LT means Shelton moves to RT. Shelton was definitely was the one of the better OL performer last season.

 

[Jim O]

it sounds like he's not in shape. It really could be as simple as wanting the unit out there that will run the crispest reps right now.

Winner! Finally!

 

[arthurracoon]

MJ says:

This is a two folded move

1. LJ, because of surgery, is out of shape. He might not have been participating in offseason workouts like they hoped. This provides motivation.

2. See what BIG can do at LT.

 

[joeshmo]

MJ says:

This is a two folded move

1. LJ, because of surgery, is out of shape. He might not have been participating in offseason workouts like they hoped. This provides motivation.

2. See what BIG can do at LT.

MJ gets it. This isnt a big deal. It will turn out good in the end giving Davis some reps at LT becuase after Shelton there is no one else that can play LT. This is good for our depth with Davis knowing the LT spot better going into the season.

 

[SECTION 11]

MJ gets it. This isnt a big deal. It will turn out good in the end giving Davis some reps at LT becuase after Shelton there is no one else that can play LT. This is good for our depth with Davis knowing the LT spot better going into the season.