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Lost: Season 3 (Spoilers)
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No, just frustrated I can't talk on that site, which is by far the best Lost forum out there. I've gotten in for a bit though...
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if they actually provide answers that make relative sense to all the ridiculous answers they've posed, this will go down as the greatest Sci-fi show of all time.
that being said, I don't believe there's a chance in hell they're able to pull it off. they've dug so deep, that I don't know how they ever get out of the wormholes they've created, but i'll love watching them try.
that being said, I don't believe there's a chance in hell they're able to pull it off. they've dug so deep, that I don't know how they ever get out of the wormholes they've created, but i'll love watching them try.
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bottom line - I would like to thank the writers of LOST for giving die-hard Suns fans SOMETHING to think about besides getting screwed every which way but loose in the last two weeks!
THANK YOU LOST!
THANK YOU LOST!
No, I don't think so at all...I think they know everything they are doing.
It is just all making sense to me...they didn't dig a hole, we are just getting deeper into the story.
Like they said...the two skeletons in the first episode will PROVE to you that they knew what they were doing from the start.
some random thoughts:
I was a little verklempt when Charlie died. In a perverted Lost way, it was a twist, since Lost rarely does the expected.
Also touching was Danielle's reunion with Alex.
Time-travel is mind boggling - the possiblilities are endless. Is Christian alive in the future? Or in SOME future?
I was a little verklempt when Charlie died. In a perverted Lost way, it was a twist, since Lost rarely does the expected.
Also touching was Danielle's reunion with Alex.
Time-travel is mind boggling - the possiblilities are endless. Is Christian alive in the future? Or in SOME future?
A) I am starting to agree with Juliette being in the box. Nobody else would have gone...Kate's "why would I" makes sense and even Jack's "neither" makes sense if something bad happened and he blames her.
B) Matthew Fox needs an Emmy for this one...he played the junkie, especially the painkiller junkie, so well here. I was very impressed. He lost control of his eyes in a scene (not really of course, but in appearance) and it looked just like someone on PKs. I was really impressed with Fox's acting in this episode.
C) :notworthy Just a fantastic episode and I plan to watch it again soon.
B) Matthew Fox needs an Emmy for this one...he played the junkie, especially the painkiller junkie, so well here. I was very impressed. He lost control of his eyes in a scene (not really of course, but in appearance) and it looked just like someone on PKs. I was really impressed with Fox's acting in this episode.
C) :notworthy Just a fantastic episode and I plan to watch it again soon.
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mike, sorry to tell you, but I know for a fact that didn't have a clue where they were going half way through season 1.
Wow....wow...wow.. One of the best finales of any show.
Wow guys. Some things that were revealed.
First off, Jack's dad somehow isn't dead. He asked the new chief of surgery to bring him down. How? Don't know.
Second, time travel or time period is an element on the show. First off, Locke states it wasn't suppose to happen this way. Next, Jack states the same thing in the future flash.
Third, please do not read any further if you don't want to know this...........
Desmond did in fact travel back in time. I know this because I read the producers comments on e-online. Again reinforcing the notion that time, time travel or at least peering into future and past time events is definitely a factor on the show.
Having said that, they created a contradiction on the show. Desmond was led to believe that future events cannot be changed. He could not change events (i.e. Charlie's death). However, we now know that isn't true. Events can be changed. Locke and Jack both said it wasn't suppose to happen this way. So why is it some events can change and others can't?
The looking glass appears to be something that was compromised by the others at some point. What doesn't make sense is how Penelope had the frequency? Maybe the others were trying to get something from her?
[SIZE=-1]Mikhail can't die. Maybe he is just like Locke. Think about it. Locke heals. He appeared to heal from now being able to walk and being shot. What if Mikhail has the same ability as Locke to heal? That would explain why the guy doesn't die.[/SIZE]
Last but not least, we know that our castaways were forced to lie. Lie for some reason about either what happened or about the island period in the future. Meaning that there was probably some truth to what Ben was saying.
First off, Jack's dad somehow isn't dead. He asked the new chief of surgery to bring him down. How? Don't know.
Second, time travel or time period is an element on the show. First off, Locke states it wasn't suppose to happen this way. Next, Jack states the same thing in the future flash.
Third, please do not read any further if you don't want to know this...........
Desmond did in fact travel back in time. I know this because I read the producers comments on e-online. Again reinforcing the notion that time, time travel or at least peering into future and past time events is definitely a factor on the show.
Having said that, they created a contradiction on the show. Desmond was led to believe that future events cannot be changed. He could not change events (i.e. Charlie's death). However, we now know that isn't true. Events can be changed. Locke and Jack both said it wasn't suppose to happen this way. So why is it some events can change and others can't?
The looking glass appears to be something that was compromised by the others at some point. What doesn't make sense is how Penelope had the frequency? Maybe the others were trying to get something from her?
[SIZE=-1]Mikhail can't die. Maybe he is just like Locke. Think about it. Locke heals. He appeared to heal from now being able to walk and being shot. What if Mikhail has the same ability as Locke to heal? That would explain why the guy doesn't die.[/SIZE]
Last but not least, we know that our castaways were forced to lie. Lie for some reason about either what happened or about the island period in the future. Meaning that there was probably some truth to what Ben was saying.
A fact? Are you a writer or producer?
I know that they knew what was going on the entire time...at least, an outline.
Where is this fact?
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you know that third guy who comes up in the credits where it says CREATED BY but isn't Abrams or Lindelof? Yeah. That's my boss and one of my best friends - his name's Jeff Lieber.
trust me - whatever they're saying now - they're LYING. EDIT: This is a bit harsh - not sure how to really explain what I'm talking about, but while they did probably have an end point - there was a LOT that they didn't know the answers to questions they were posing... At least up to the point where Locke was shown to be in a wheel-chair before he got to the island, they had NO CLUE where the show was going.
it's a FACT.
that being said, neither of us have any idea where this show is going now, but trust me, the first half of the first season, NOTHING was set in stone. it was a spaghetti throwing contest in the writer's room apparently.
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By the way Cheese, didn't meant to sound like a snot
Tired, need to go to bed
don't worry about it. Making the claim about FACT about Lost is a pretty bold one so I could see why people would likely be incredulous in their reaction to it.
no worries man.
this show is incredible though.
So when they are saying the skeletons that were there were there for a reason and when we find out why, we'll KNOW they knew what they were doing from the start...is a total lie?
Why would they do that...
And does your boss still work on the show?
It's not as random as you make it sound. Read the interview on E. For instance they already had planned the future flash with Jake and Kate from day 1. There are certain ideas and arcs they had planned from day 1.
They may not have had details per say but they knew where the show was headed. They have always had a plan.
I mean, the first episode had the monster in it...and then polar bears, etc.
I know it's easy to write things later that could fit random things from before...but man, I just don't know.
The monster hasn't changed at all really...or has it?
I know it's easy to write things later that could fit random things from before...but man, I just don't know.
The monster hasn't changed at all really...or has it?
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Mike, in a writer's world, you can figure out how to rationalize ANYTHING, ESPECIALLY in a show where there literally ARE NO RULES. There's no doubt in my mind that by now, they've figured out a way to get those skeletons into the mythos - they're great writers and they will have had 5 years to figure something out. They were just figuring things out the first half of the season, like I said, throwing as much crap against the wall to see what would stick and figuring they could figure it out later.
and no - my boss doesn't still work on the show. it's a VERY long story and not one I want or care or even should get into.
just trust me about the first half of season one and how much "they knew" where they were going. After that, I have no idea what happened.
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yeah. you're wrong.
what people say in interviews belies the truth of what really goes on behind closed doors in Hollywood.
Steeldog - do you work in Hollywood? Do you know any of the people involved with the show? I do. Sure, some show have BIG arcs and any writer worth a lick has that set out in their head, but they likely have very little idea how they're gonna get there and I know Lindelof had no idea how he was gonna get there (relatively speaking) when he started this thing (and he's really the true genius of the show - not Abrams).
Please link the interview, because I'm lazy. TYIA.
Here you go.
http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=9c9aafc1-e118-4d0c-9686-6b982fbd4e87
Some pretty good insight. Also, have you ever been to a writers pitch? I have. My half brother has worked in Hollywood since he was 18. By the time you actually get to production, writers have overall story arc. They segment each season into an arc WAY before going into production.
Like I said, they might not have had details about what each character would do or say but they had an overall arc with certain events that would happen. If you read the article, they already planned the future flash from day 1. They might not have known who or exactly what was going to be said but they had an idea.
My father was professional singer and my brother and my half brother has worked in Hollywood in both film and TV since he was 18. When I was a kid my dad used to drag us kids around to meet producers, directors, writers and plenty of actors. My half brother was constantly going to readings, auditions, parties, sets etc. Like I said, I have been to pitch sessions as well. So yes, I have some exposure through osmosis.
At any rate, I don't think what your saying is far off from what I am saying. The overall arc is set. No show goes into production without on overall arc being set. That is a huge part of your pitch session when your trying to get your show on the air. So your right that they might not know the details or how exactly they are going to get there but here are certain events that are part of the overall arc that they already have planned. For instance the future flash.
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Somehow it lessens it for me to know this
it shouldn't - hell, I know all the backstory and the ability ot actually write your way out of a hole is EVEN MORE impressive to me. What these guys have been able to do with this show is amazing. My boss would KILL me if he saw my high praise for this show (even though he's gonna make MULTI-MILLIONS off it once it gets to syndication) but I just can't help myself.
but I will amend what I said earlier as I think I may have made to much of a blanket statement - they did have an end point - they just never had any idea how they were going to get there.
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yeah, this really doesn't apply to Lost though. This above describes standard operating proceedure for shows that are RETURNING to the air, but it in NO WAY describes the pilot proceedure - which is what Lost went through.
The ONLY thing that matters for Pilot is just that THE PILOT. Sure, it's great if you can come in with a full bore pitch for a season or FIVE, but that ain't the way it goes most of the time and it DEFINITITELY wasn't the case with the cluster-f&*K that Lost was going into pilot.
The only focus primarily on a pilot is the pilot and then, once it gets INTO PRODUCTION, and it looks like it MIGHT get picked up, THAT is the point that the network starts to ask you to break story for the next 6 or so episodes. And believe me, there ain't even time to breathe during the entire pilot process for the show-runner, much less time to break a story as complex as Lost. Especially considering how HUMUNGOUS the pilot was.
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You can't even get to the pilot stage unless they have an idea where your going. It does matter. Like I said I have been to all day pitch sessions. I have seen what gets pitched for pilots/series. Sure they don't map out the entire season at that point but they still give general ideas. Once the show goes into pre-production and you start getting bean counters involved that's when you start mapping things out. You can't budget without it.
Again, I agree that they probably had no idea how the frick they were going to get there. They did have an idea where they were going. If not, then the studio gave an unprecedented amount of freedom with their budget and their approval. Sorry, I can't buy that. Who knows...maybe they did. It would be the first I have ever heard of that. Then again nothing would surprise me. None of our other siblings got anywhere near that scene when we got older. After seeing what my father and brother went though, the younger kids wanted to have nothing to do with that scene.
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well, I've been working for the guy who's co-creator of Lost, got another show to pilot and i've seen a ton of other pitches sold where all of the above is absolutely not true. All you need to sell a pitch and get to the pilot stage is to write a killer script with a high concept and good characters. that's it. nothing about seasonal/story archs. does it help? sure. but that's putting the cart before the horse because the only thing ANYONE cares about is the PILOT.
and the budget for a pilot has NOTHING to do with where the show is going. Not sure why you think you can't budget the pilot without mapping things out. what happens in future episodes has no bearing on the budget for the pilot. again, that's putting the cart before the horse. a no-no as far as TV pilots are concerned considering that the overwhelming majority of them never see the light of day.
