MadCards Training Camp Observations Friday 7/26

[Garthshort]

Solar7, welcome aboard the Murray bandwagon. What took you so long?

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

This is like the person who became homeless playing the lottery but then wins and is claiming that it was all a solid plan. Eventually that dude will put himself back on the street because his process of managing money is bad.

This is why so many lottery winners go broke. Luck does not equal smart. Luck does not translate to sustainable success.

What does this have to do with luck? They weren’t sold that after a year that Rosen was their future and they were much more confident that Murray was. It’s not luck that they chose to pick Murray and move Rosen and if it pans out it will end up being a smart move, not a lucky one.

 

[schutd]

This is like the person who became homeless playing the lottery but then wins and is claiming that it was all a solid plan. Eventually that dude will put himself back on the street because his process of managing money is bad.

This is why so many lottery winners go broke. Luck does not equal smart. Luck does not translate to sustainable success.

Im speaking of this scenario for you, as a fan. Just watch and enjoy. Its pretty simple. Its football. I, for the life of me can't understand the amount of energy spent critiquing the inner workings, when in reality all we should want is a competitive team, that supplies 3 hours of respite from the week every Sunday, hopefully for 19 or so weeks a year. You're 3 scenarios offer none of that. They simply offer a way to agonize over something, regardless of outcome. That seems like nothing more than banging ones head against the wall simply for the sport of it. I'll pass.

 

[PACardsFan]

Im speaking of this scenario for you, as a fan. Just watch and enjoy. Its pretty simple. Its football. I, for the life of me can't understand the amount of energy spent critiquing the inner workings, when in reality all we should want is a competitive team, that supplies 3 hours of respite from the week every Sunday, hopefully for 19 or so weeks a year. You're 3 scenarios offer none of that. They simply offer a way to agonize over something, regardless of outcome. That seems like nothing more than banging ones head against the wall simply for the sport of it. I'll pass.

Amen!

 

[DVontel]

Think I’m the only one who knew how bad this team was gonna be the second McCoy got hired.

 

[JeffGollin]

Im speaking of this scenario for you, as a fan. Just watch and enjoy. Its pretty simple. Its football. I, for the life of me can't understand the amount of energy spent critiquing the inner workings, when in reality all we should want is a competitive team, that supplies 3 hours of respite from the week every Sunday, hopefully for 19 or so weeks a year. You're 3 scenarios offer none of that. They simply offer a way to agonize over something, regardless of outcome. That seems like nothing more than banging ones head against the wall simply for the sport of it. I'll pass.

+1.

 

[kerouac9]

Im speaking of this scenario for you, as a fan. Just watch and enjoy. Its pretty simple. Its football. I, for the life of me can't understand the amount of energy spent critiquing the inner workings, when in reality all we should want is a competitive team, that supplies 3 hours of respite from the week every Sunday, hopefully for 19 or so weeks a year. You're 3 scenarios offer none of that. They simply offer a way to agonize over something, regardless of outcome. That seems like nothing more than banging ones head against the wall simply for the sport of it. I'll pass.

If that's true, what are you doing on a message board weeks before real games begin?

 

[Krangodnzr]

This is like the person who became homeless playing the lottery but then wins and is claiming that it was all a solid plan. Eventually that dude will put himself back on the street because his process of managing money is bad.

This is why so many lottery winners go broke. Luck does not equal smart. Luck does not translate to sustainable success.

Could it be that Keim evolved as a personnel guy?

That he saw the writing on the wall to the changes coming in football and made an educated gamble on Murray? There are indicators that this may be true, his dalliance with McVey that was reported years ago.

I think moving to the Air Raid and more spread concepts is a smart move. Stop making college players adapt to a system they dont know. Have them adapt to a familiar system where all they have to learn is some NFL concepts. This helps players develop quicker; that means players on rookie contracts will be even more useful.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Think I’m the only one who knew how bad this team was gonna be the second McCoy got hired.

You definitely did. Most of us focused on the successful years, not the rest of his career when he was garbage.

 

[JeffGollin]

Could it be that Keim evolved as a personnel guy?

That he saw the writing on the wall to the changes coming in football and made an educated gamble on Murray? There are indicators that this may be true, his dalliance with McVey that was reported years ago.

I think moving to the Air Raid and more spread concepts is a smart move. Stop making college players adapt to a system they dont know. Have them adapt to a familiar system where all they have to learn is some NFL concepts. This helps players develop quicker; that means players on rookie contracts will be even more useful.

I think we're all prone to overreacting. Today's Steve Keim is the same guy as yesterday's Steve Keim. Circumstances change and present new opportunities and challenges. And different dudes learn differently from their mistakes.

Keim was faced with a once in a lifetime set of circumstances (i.e. the stars were perfectly aligned) with a #1 pick and a coach with a reputation for being an offensive innovator.

Keim and Michael B could have "blinked" and played it safe with a good ol' boy coach and a QB picked in the Top 10 in last year draft. Or they could recognize the opportunity they had, taken a deep breath and rolled the dice on a boom or bust partnership combo.

Would they have made the same move 2 or 3 years ago? Dunno - except to suggest that, while far from perfect, MB and SK are pretty good executives who "saw the opportunity and ran with it."

Ask yourself - if presented with the same set of challenges, what would you do? (I think I'd probably go all-in with KK and K1, but not without more than a few jitters).

 

[Solar7]

Or,

Murray works, you choose not to waste one iota of energy worrying about what happened to get to that point, and just enjoy the fact that we FINALLY have an answer at QB and keep building the rest of the roster. I wish that was an option for most of y'all. But the way this is shaping up, fans seem to LOVE playing the what if game and speculating what could have been, what might be, blah blah blah, instead of just watching an (hopefully) enjoying what IS happening. I guess we'll see.

We "FINALLY have an answer at QB?" Dude, Kyler has two practices in pads under his belt. We have no freaking idea.

We wasted an entire year and almost an entire draft last year building the roster. Murray could be Joe Montana and he'll fail without young talent around him.

 

[Solar7]

Solar7, welcome aboard the Murray bandwagon. What took you so long?

I know this is joking, but I am encouraged by what has been mostly unanimously good news, or at worst neutral news about the kid. His interview with Kurt was pretty solid, and I'm really impressed by his release.

There's a ton to prove still, but it would be nice if he was great.

 

[Krangodnzr]

We "FINALLY have an answer at QB?" Dude, Kyler has two practices in pads under his belt. We have no freaking idea.

We wasted an entire year and almost an entire draft last year building the roster. Murray could be Joe Montana and he'll fail without young talent around him.

Murray has quite a bit of young talent around him, we just dont know how it's going to pan out.

Kirk looks like he will, but we dont know about the rest yet.

 

[phillycard]

Gosh. Enough. Forget about Rosen already. The only time he should even be talked about on here is when we get ready to play his team. Although he was not my first choice as one of the top qb's last year, I was so glad when we traded up to get him, as was a lot of people on here. He was going to be our qbotf. Almost everyone thought so. All the pundits had him as the most nfl ready qb. I wanted to keep him, too, BUT....

It's so tiring to read all the "same" people gripe and "....." and complain about it. Move on. He's not here now. Nothing we can do about it.

I like reading the about the new players and new team.

Post of the season. I have nothing but love for the dude, but he's gone. Coulda, woulda, shoulda. It's all water under the bridge right now.

 

[slanidrac16]

I don’t know...I’m a little bummed. Murray threw a pick yesterday.

This can’t be good.

 

[slanidrac16]

Gosh. Enough. Forget about Rosen already. The only time he should even be talked about on here is when we get ready to play his team. Although he was not my first choice as one of the top qb's last year, I was so glad when we traded up to get him, as was a lot of people on here. He was going to be our qbotf. Almost everyone thought so. All the pundits had him as the most nfl ready qb. I wanted to keep him, too, BUT....

It's so tiring to read all the "same" people gripe and "....." and complain about it. Move on. He's not here now. Nothing we can do about it.

I like reading the about the new players and new team.

Well said. I really don’t know what Rosen did last year to convince anybody he was going to be anything more than Blake bortles. I agree he was in a harsh situation at best. He may have been able to run this offense to a certain degree but his physical limitations would never bring this offense to the heights that a fully mobile and accurate qb can.

 

[schutd]

If that's true, what are you doing on a message board weeks before real games begin?

Hanging out, trying to learn about new players, prepping for the season. What about you? Trolling looking for quick hot takes?

 

[schutd]

We "FINALLY have an answer at QB?" Dude, Kyler has two practices in pads under his belt. We have no freaking idea.

We wasted an entire year and almost an entire draft last year building the roster. Murray could be Joe Montana and he'll fail without young talent around him.

Duh, Einstein. You need to chill out. I was relaying a POSSIBLE SCENARIO. Man, I cant believe i have to explain that to you. This off season has sent you off the deep end.

 

[PACardsFan]

Duh, Einstein. You need to chill out. I was relaying a POSSIBLE SCENARIO. Man, I cant believe i have to explain that to you. This off season has sent you off the deep end.

We have a handful of folks that didn't get their way on Draft day. They'll wine & moan until continuing to do so will embarrass them. Eventually, they'll come around.

 

[Solar7]

Duh, Einstein. You need to chill out. I was relaying a POSSIBLE SCENARIO. Man, I cant believe i have to explain that to you. This off season has sent you off the deep end.

It's certainly not worded like a "possible scenario" when you ask people to shut up and enjoy the ride because we finally have a QB.

We have no more an answer at QB than we did in training camp with Leinart or Rosen. Considering how well that worked? I'm skeptical. I'm gonna keep being skeptical until proven otherwise.

It seems like only K9 and a few others are doing anything besides drinking the koolaid, and if I start to do the same, I'm going to be crushed if we fail.

Murray has quite a bit of young talent around him, we just dont know how it's going to pan out.

Kirk looks like he will, but we dont know about the rest yet.

Outside of Budda Baker and Christian Kirk, all of this team's young talent is from this draft. The cupboard is pretty bare.

 

[Chopper0080]

Im speaking of this scenario for you, as a fan. Just watch and enjoy. Its pretty simple. Its football. I, for the life of me can't understand the amount of energy spent critiquing the inner workings, when in reality all we should want is a competitive team, that supplies 3 hours of respite from the week every Sunday, hopefully for 19 or so weeks a year. You're 3 scenarios offer none of that. They simply offer a way to agonize over something, regardless of outcome. That seems like nothing more than banging ones head against the wall simply for the sport of it. I'll pass.

Aren't message boards supposed to be a forum for critiquing the team? Aren't they supposed to be a congregation of fans with differing opinions? A place where you can debate something you are passionate about?

I am happy that you come here looking for a fan-boy circle-jerk. Great for you. I don't. I don't need a echo chamber as I am confident in my opinions without one. What I want and need and believe a message board is for, is people who will disagree or challenge my beliefs in an intelligent (mostly) manner. I want people who will point out my blind spots and am more than willing to do the same for others as well.

So please, next time you want to tell how I should be a fan, what I should want out of football, or how I should use a message board, don't. You do you, and let me do me.

 

[Chopper0080]

Could it be that Keim evolved as a personnel guy?

That he saw the writing on the wall to the changes coming in football and made an educated gamble on Murray? There are indicators that this may be true, his dalliance with McVey that was reported years ago.

I think moving to the Air Raid and more spread concepts is a smart move. Stop making college players adapt to a system they dont know. Have them adapt to a familiar system where all they have to learn is some NFL concepts. This helps players develop quicker; that means players on rookie contracts will be even more useful.

It could be and I hope he has. He has had long enough to make mistakes and should learn from them. I just find it funny that people speak like Keim's plan came together because he drafted Kyler Murray when in fact there is more proof that he is bad GM than a good one.

 

[Chopper0080]

We have a handful of folks that didn't get their way on Draft day. They'll wine & moan until continuing to do so will embarrass them. Eventually, they'll come around.

I am really curious who you view whining and moaning about draft day.

 

[Krangodnzr]

It could be and I hope he has. He has had long enough to make mistakes and should learn from them. I just find it funny that people speak like Keim's plan came together because he drafted Kyler Murray when in fact there is more proof that he is bad GM than a good one.

Well...if you say there is more proof he is a bad GM....I'd point to the #1 indicator during his run as GM, the win loss columns.

Despite all of his mistakes, hes still probably the most successful executive in franchise history.

If you believe him, he didn't hire K2 with the idea of drafting K1. I believe that. His demeanor towards Rosen started to change around the combine, which fits the narrative that he had started looking at Murray by that point.

Hes made what sounds like a lot of introspective comments over the past 8 months or so. Comments about self scouting and learning from past mistakes. I hope it's true.

 

[kerouac9]

Well...if you say there is more proof he is a bad GM....I'd point to the #1 indicator during his run as GM, the win loss columns.

Despite all of his mistakes, hes still probably the most successful executive in franchise history.

If you believe him, he didn't hire K2 with the idea of drafting K1. I believe that. His demeanor towards Rosen started to change around the combine, which fits the narrative that he had started looking at Murray by that point.

Hes made what sounds like a lot of introspective comments over the past 8 months or so. Comments about self scouting and learning from past mistakes. I hope it's true.

Yes. All you have to do is look at the win/loss record over the last four seasons as Keim has accumulated more power to see why he should have more.