Marion

[devilalum]

See my above post. Marion folds in the playoffs.

I'd like to see what he can do in the playoffs playing the 3.

Last year he played the 4, with a weak rebounding center.

Same this year.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Come on. Shawn Marion is just as good as Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett. JUst ask him!

The Tortilla that's a great/sad name. The guy played well in ONE playoff series against the tissue-paper soft Mavs team last year and besides that, has never shown up in the playoffs - pretty sad for a MAX player who can't keep his mouth shut about the lack of respect he gets. Respect ain't given Soft, IT'S EARNED.

Show up in LA and SHUT ALL OF US UP. Good lord - 13 points and 5 rebounds - are you kidding me? (that being said, the entire team sucked tonight, but Marion's fetal position play definitely helped put us in a hole). If you're gonna talk the talk, you better walk the walk Mr. Dunc, er, I mean, Mr. Marion.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'd like to see what he can do in the playoffs playing the 3.

Last year he played the 4, with a weak rebounding center.

Same this year.

see the Marbury/Kidd years - plays below his averages - JUST LIKE NOW - he's a tortilla - period.

 

[haverford]

I for one have more than enough ammunition to shoot at Marion for his poor play, but it became painfully obvious early that no one else had anything either.

I do think it was kinda silly that Marion got so many freaking shots early in the game when he clearly was struggling but again no one else stepped up either.

Tonight is a great lesson in why conventional (non-alley oop) plays are not run for Shawn. He had to knock down a few of those open shots in the first minutes. When he didn't, the Suns seemed to lose something. Shawn has to take responsibility for that.

 

[Nasser22]

He played good vs. Memphis and Dallas last year and was big for us at the end of the Lakers series. I think he did bad before because he was young but now he has been better. It would help if he didn't have to play out of position now.

 

[Nasser22]

The 5 games before this he played at his season averages. I'm looking at it and guessing right around his point average, a little more rebounds and more assists, same steals and a little bit less blocks in those 5 games but he had FOUR BLOCKS tonight. He has been doing fine after 3 games against the Lakers.

 

[Nash]

he's on a choke chain during the playoffs. how long can one watch him miss simple layups!
and his 3 pt shot has been way off teh past 2 games. The ball barely touches the rim - its miles from it.
5-13 is in no way a decent performance.
he infuriated me in last year's playoffs, esp. with Amare in such great form. He played like crap then. Let him go! into the desert...wherever..

I just noticed James Jones had 0 points on 0-4 shooting! He was helping us shoot the lights out in the comebacks against the Lakers and he played like a lame duck today.

Almost the entire team sleepwalked through the game.

 

[AzKarl]

Marion, Barbosa, ATL #1, Phx #1

For

Garnett

Get it done in the offseason fellas.

Way too much to give up for Garnett. Are you serious? Two #1's, a future star in Barbosa and a NBA All Star who is a perfect complement when Soudemire and Kurt Thomas are available? This is way too much for a high mileage player like Garnett. I am glad you are not our General Manager.

 

[HooverDam]

You people saying we should trade Marion obviously don't have a high basketball IQ. Marion is trying to carry a team, be the main scoring option and guard players that are WAY bigger than him, yet he is still getting 20/10. Yes, Im frustrated by his lay up misses too, but jesus, you guys over react.

With KT and Amare in the lineup, it would allow Marion to play on the wing more, slash to the basket and play his game. Beat people off the dribble with his quickness, and pick up long rebounds with his leaping ability. He isn't meant to box out huge centers and bang w/ them for boards.

 

[Cheesebeef]

, yet he is still getting 20/10. Yes, Im frustrated by his lay up misses too, but jesus, you guys over react.

With KT and Amare in the lineup, it would allow Marion to play on the wing more, slash to the basket and play his game. Beat people off the dribble with his quickness, and pick up long rebounds with his leaping ability. He isn't meant to box out huge centers and bang w/ them for boards.

Uh, since when is 20/10 = 17.5 and 9.5 points per game - you know - what he's ACTUALLY averaging during the playoffs. The guy scored 22 and 12 with 52 percent shooting during the season and is now at 17.5, 9.5 and 43% - get your facts straight there before you start lecturing us, okay? And those drops, EVERYWHERE are pretty significant drops. The Marionduring the regualr season was very good, but usually your really good players STPE UP in the playoffs (at least they do if they want to be mentioned in the same mumbled breath as Tim Duncan and KG - still can't believe Marion uttered such nonsense).

As far as your second comment - what Shawn Marion have you been watching the last four years? Beat people off the dribble? Are you kidding? Slash to the basket? We haven't seen that since Starks undercut his butt. Noiw he stands at the three-point line, is great in transition and plays well getting garbage points - well, at least he does IN THE REGULAR SEASON - period. To state otherwise, or just come up with what you did out of the clear is about as delusional as Shawn's MVP talk.

That being said, Marion would be more effectvie with KT and Amare in the rgeular season, without a doubt - still doesn't mean his testicles wouldn't shrink to fetal size in the playoffs, just like they always have, sans one series against the tissue-paper soft Mavs last year.

And honestly, if he just kept his mouth shut, he probably wouldn't take the beating that he takes here. But if you're gonna talk the talk, you better walk the walk.

 

[CardShark]

I'm not calling for him to be cut or traded, although I wouldn't cry over it, but it was obvious he set the tone tonight. He took too many shots for someone throwing up bricks. The difference tonight was there was noboby to make-up for his atrocious play. He singlehandedly took the crowd out of it.

 

[JS22]

Way too much to give up for Garnett. Are you serious? Two #1's, a future star in Barbosa and a NBA All Star who is a perfect complement when Soudemire and Kurt Thomas are available? This is way too much for a high mileage player like Garnett. I am glad you are not our General Manager.

blah blah blah.

Marion = Guaranteed choker in the playoffs.
Basbosa = Needed to make the salaries work. Having a good series, but he is a "replaceable" player.
ATL #1 = ATL is actually going to improve next year if they grab a PG. The pick will NOT be #1, like so many others think. Most likely 7-9.
Suns #1 - Mid to late 20's. So what?

Nash
Bell
Diaw
Amare
KG

House
Jones
K. Thomas
T. Thomas

Add a few minor free agent pickups, and it looks good to me. Don't forget that Phoenix still has the Lakers pick which should be around 15 or 16 - I believe.

Can you imagine Nash, Diaw, KG, and Amare in the starting lineup? Not to mention Bell. Barring any major injuries or a complete collapse you may as well hand the trophy to Phoenix.

 

[elindholm]

It's going to be an interesting summer.

 

[HooverDam]

You guys are so reactionary its hilarious. Im sure youll all be singing a different song if the Suns win game 3 and Marion plays well. I agree that Marion talks too much and compares himself too players he's better than. He hasnt done well enough in the playoffs, and he shoots too many 3s. However....

With Amare on the team, he'd be the 3rd option on offense, a role he's much more suited for. We need to forget about blowing up the team like we do all the damned time, notice the Pistons and Spurs dont do that stuff. We can probably still make it to the WCF this year, a commendable achievement considering the injures. Next year, w/ Amare, KT, a few FAs signings and a nice draft, we could be in great position to win a championship.

That is....if we DONT mess with the chemistry and stop this experiment right when its about to work.

 

[Cheesebeef]

It's going to be an interesting summer.

definitely - between trying to get Barbs and Diaw signed to contract extensions and KG possibly being on the trading block, it could be wild and this baord will be ALL OVER the place.

I do think that people who think Marion should be the THIRD option still don't realize his limitations though or really understand how basketball works. Your first three options should be able to score AND create for others, whether that's drawing double teams or being able to drive and dish - Marion, while likely being the second leading scorer on the team next year (and last year for that matter) AIN'T a third option as he can do neither. Diaw is the thrid option, just like JJ was last year. Shawn's a garbage man, a more explosive Cedric Ceballos, but also a better rebounder and defender - but as a third option - uh, no.

As far as the guy who keeps telling us how stupid all the Shawn Marion trade thoughts are - I agree somewhat with the "hold the team together" mantra, but hey, we totally blew up last year's squad with REALLY solid results - now you could be a tweak away again from building - and that tweak could be Garnett - he could be our Rasheed Wallace. And actually, you're dead wrong on the Pistons - that first team that got to the playoffs was led by Stackhouse and Ben Wallace and Garbage and then they traded Stack to get Hamilton and brought in Billups and got swept in the Conference Finals, then added ANOTHER huge piece with Rasheed mid-season the next year before they got to where they are now - so you're pretty off there.

Now you're right with the Spurs, but they have Duncan, completely healthy to continue building around, a luxury we don't know if we have with Amare anymore. If he was guaranteed to be Amare, I'd really have no problem holding onto Shawn as just a piece of the puzzle, sadly, though, I don't think we'll see Amare at FULL Amare until Nash is past his prime (2 more years) and thus, if given the shot to considerably upgrade over Marion with KG and thus compensate for a rebuilding Amare to win a couple titles, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

 

[elindholm]

Im sure youll all be singing a different song if the Suns win game 3 and Marion plays well.

I won't be. Marion hasn't been anywhere near an All-Star level in this postseason. So he has played decent defense and gotten one key offensive rebound? There are other players who could do that.

That is....if we DONT mess with the chemistry

What is this great "chemistry" I keep hearing about? I've watched almost all of the playoff games so far, and Marion's body language is usually bad. He doesn't smile. He has his head down when he goes to the bench for a time out. He doesn't have any spring in his step. Sure, he's facing constant size and strength mismatches, but he did that during the regular season too, and it didn't make him so depressed then.

Overall, I think the Suns do have good chemistry. But over the last few weeks, that has been in spite of Marion, not because of him. When he comes back in after getting a rest, does the team pick up an added spark? Not that I've seen.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I love how certain players only show up on the board in bash Marion threads. It's like they run to the board the moment he has an off night.

 

[cly2tw]

Welcome to the "I-hate-Marion" bandwagon. For the whole season, I was apparently the captain and the only crew member there.

Seriously, I don't hate him. I have been suggesting that we trade him because I'm convinced that the cap room his contract occupies could be better spent elsewhere to make the team around the Amare/Nash, and add Diaw now, a better competitor for the post season. I'd love to have his service at 6-8 mil per. Period.

That being said, Marion for KG is pipedream. If they can't get a franchise player in return for KG, they'd want picks and cap space for him. Marion is 4 th option when Amare comes back. Maybe Celtics would take him for Pierce? Kings for Artest and Skinner?

Someone said that he wouldn't want to pay our 7th man in rotation the MLE. I'd theoretically trade Marion for 3 MLE level players, say TT, Battier, Battie/Skinner?

Again, welcom on board!

 

[Stout]

I love how certain players only show up on the board in bash Marion threads. It's like they run to the board the moment he has an off night.

I've barely ever posted on this forum because I never have much of a chance to follow basketball or my team, the Suns. Now suddenly I have free cable and a chance to watch the playoffs. So sue me.

 

[Zobaczcie suki]

Don't be hatin on Marion. He's playing out of position and has a very tough match up this series. It was a team failure that lost this one, don't be tradin Marion as he will be the perfect compliment alongside Stoudemire next year.

 

[jibikao]

I'm not calling for him to be cut or traded, although I wouldn't cry over it, but it was obvious he set the tone tonight. He took too many shots for someone throwing up bricks. The difference tonight was there was noboby to make-up for his atrocious play. He singlehandedly took the crowd out of it.

This is exactly what I thought. I think Marion totally killed our momentum in the first quarter. He missed a few easy shots and when we tried to cut down the deficit to 10pt, he missed one of the easiest layups, which turned into a 14pt deficit. I was amazed how flat Marion was in the beginning of the game. The crowd was "waiting" for something to get fired up and Marion just took the crowd out.

There was almost no fire last night. Everything we did was trying to catch up. We are already short/small so without the energy/effort, we just got out rebounded so badly.

TNT shows that Marion's first half performance is much worse. I wonder why that is? This team feeds on offense and when he chokes like that, it really hurts. I am not even talking about missing easy shots, some of his outside shooting is not even close. Why is that?

It's unfair to judge Marion against Brand but last night's Marion has sucked since the beginning. If you watch the game, Marion is usually the most "open" of all the guys. There is a reason for it. He usually can't penetrate defense and his outside shooting is something you can leave "open" for. Let him take the 3pt and NOBODY on Suns' team can grab offensive rebound. Won't the opposing coach like that?

 

[elindholm]

I'd theoretically trade Marion for 3 MLE level players, say TT, Battier, Battie/Skinner?

I'm down on Marion, but you have to get off this Battier/fillers kick. Battier is marginal at best, and neither Battie nor Skinner can play anymore. I was interested in Skinner a year ago, but apparently he's lost it.

 

[Mike Olbinski]

You guys are starting to talk me into trading him for Garnett...but I still think with Amare next year, Garnett wont be a great fit.

But who knows...that could be pretty sick.

 

[Joe Mama]

Chandler Mike, I have to know why you don't think KG and Amare Stoudemire would work well together. As I've said many times before, I can't imagine a player who would complement Amare Stoudemire better than KG.

Forget about just dumping Shawn Marion. I'm sorry, but that's crazy talk. I would do the KG trade. I understand that KG is three years older than Shawn Marion. He has been in the league 4 years longer. However, we would be bringing him in to win a championship or three in the next several years.

There may be other trades I would be willing to make involving Shawn Marion. I just can't think of any off the top of my head.

I expect that this will not be the only time in this series that the Phoenix Suns are blown out by the Clippers. Almost everybody in their starting lineup and most players off the bench can post up their Phoenix Suns counterpart. Their size advantage in the middle is just ridiculous, and we aren't talking about lame players like Kwame Brown.

I didn't think anybody should be surprised by the problems the Lakers gave the Phoenix Suns in the last round. I definitely don't think we should be surprised by last night's game.

Joe

 

[Toro]

Who is Marion? The only Marion on know on the Suns doesn't show up come playoff time. Regular season mean very little. Superstars show up in the postseason. I would trade him for KG.