McNabb???

[chickenhead]

It seems like some of the speculation is based on the idea that McNabb would like to play in Arizona. Reports that Eagles like Kolb + McNabb will want to go to a contender + has a residence in Arizona + no one is sold on Leinart = speculation.

For the record, I'd consider trading for McNabb. I'm cautiously optimistic about Leinart, but McNabb would have weapons like he's never had, even with T.O. I also think the salary cap (assuming it returns) turns the NFL into a perrennial win-now situation, and you never know how many good years your other all-pro players are actually going to have. But I think it's doubtful this happens after the signing of Anderson.

 

[JeffGollin]

I usually hate these "what-if" threads but I love this one.

Any possibility we'd somehow wind up with McNabb would be a move biblical in nature - (maybe not for a Dan Snyder or a Jerry Jones but for us cosmic).

Yet we've witnessed in the past how tiny undercurrents of rumors orginally surfacing months ago can turn out to be a "where there's smoke" kind of deal.

The rumors about McNabb to the Cardinals have been out there since Jan/Feb.

He has a home in Scottsdale - raising 2 possibilities: (1) that a reporter with an overly-active imagination put 2 & 2 together and decided it made logical sense for Donovan & the Cards to want to get together or (2) that McNabb feels that joining the home town in the city where he lives would be a "no brainer."

Then there's the trail blazed by Kurt Warner - both as a high-achieving pappy-guy and a mentor for Leinart. If Kurt could do it in the desert, why not Donovan?

Then there's what I'll call the "you only get so many shots at the brass ring" factor. The probability that McNabb is still good enough to lead the Cardinals (as currently structured) to a Super Bowl is much greater than the probability that Leinart can accomplish this. So the quandary becomes: "Do we give up part of our future as a franchise in order to have a realistic shot at being in the next Super Bowl? Or do we make the sounder football decision of playing it safer?

The CW has to be that (a) we've just signed Anderson and have too much invested (and too much potential) in Leinart, (b) would have to give up so much in players/picks that - even with McNabb here - it would hurt our roster enough to make it difficult if not possible to make the playoffs let alone the Supe. And then there's (c) why would Philly want to trade within the NFC? and (d) the amount Philly would want for McNabb compared to what we'd be willing to give up.

But that said - If the Cardinals felt they could somehow land McNabb without gutting the rest of the team and the future of the franchise - and they also thought this would be enough to give us a strong shot at the Super Bowl - I wouldn't entirely rule it out.

Like I said - this is a fun thread. Who the bleep knows what's going on behind the scenes & whether there's any fire under all that smoke.

 

[Stout]

It seems like some of the speculation is based on the idea that McNabb would like to play in Arizona. Reports that Eagles like Kolb + McNabb will want to go to a contender + has a residence in Arizona + no one is sold on Leinart = speculation.

For the record, I'd consider trading for McNabb. I'm cautiously optimistic about Leinart, but McNabb would have weapons like he's never had, even with T.O. I also think the salary cap (assuming it returns) turns the NFL into a perrennial win-now situation, and you never know how many good years your other all-pro players are actually going to have. But I think it's doubtful this happens after the signing of Anderson.

Yeah, no one BUT THE TEAM says they are sold on Leinart. I know people like to go off the deep end during the offseason, and idiots like that La Canfora asshat just refuse to listen to anything that doesn't allow him to propogate rumor and stir the pot, but WE ARE NOT TRADING FOR MCNABB!!! LEINART is going to start for us. Not that I expect, you know, logic and reason to enter the discussion, but our coach, who is known to be honest and has no reason to cast a smoke screen, has said as much. But people that don't want Leinart to start are going to keep spouting this nonsense. Ah well.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Yeah, no one BUT THE TEAM says they are sold on Leinart. I know people like to go off the deep end during the offseason, and idiots like that La Canfora asshat just refuse to listen to anything that doesn't allow him to propogate rumor and stir the pot, but WE ARE NOT TRADING FOR MCNABB!!! LEINART is going to start for us. Not that I expect, you know, logic and reason to enter the discussion, but our coach, who is known to be honest and has no reason to cast a smoke screen, has said as much. But people that don't want Leinart to start are going to keep spouting this nonsense. Ah well.

Ultimately, I guess it boils down to people believing what they want to believe, regardless of what the coach has said, regardless of the direction the team seems to be pursuing, and regardless of logic or probability.

 

[john h]

No, no, no ... for the 20th time.

If we were not the Cards we might sign him but we signed a veteran QB so I see absolutely no way we sign him. I would have like to have him rather than the guy we did sign but that is now water over the dam. He want come cheap and we probably have other needs if we are going to spend more money.

An article yesterday in USA Today stated that teams have surprisingly not spent the money that was expected on FA. Good players remain unsigned. Some reasons are all the new stadiums being built and the cost of financing. Not wanting to go into a strike year or lockout with a big payroll. I think I read if the owners and players do not come to an agreement then the owners do not have to pay any salaries guaranteed or not. If that is so then I look for some real changes in the revenue sharing with players. Teams are wanting to get their financial house in order.

 

[CaptTurbo]

McNabb is AWFUL guys. H won because of a great defense and westbrook with screen passesd thats hit. He cant hit much beyound 5 yards.

 

[Buckybird]

McNabb is AWFUL guys. H won because of a great defense and westbrook with screen passesd thats hit. He cant hit much beyound 5 yards.

get a clue!!!

 

[Stout]

Ultimately, I guess it boils down to people believing what they want to believe, regardless of what the coach has said, regardless of the direction the team seems to be pursuing, and regardless of logic or probability.

True enough, CC, true enough.

Jeez, what is it with us the last year or so? We seem to agree on everything! Didn't we used to argue like cats and dogs all the time?

 

[nashman]

People who think he is coming here are the ones that need to GET A CLUE!

 

[Shane]

People who think he is coming here are the ones that need to GET A CLUE!

As well as those that want him.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

McNabb is AWFUL guys. H won because of a great defense and westbrook with screen passesd thats hit. He cant hit much beyound 5 yards.

Tell that to DeSean Jackson.

I'd hate it if we had McNabb, but this right here......

 

[PoolBoy]

McNabb is AWFUL guys. H won because of a great defense and westbrook with screen passesd thats hit. He cant hit much beyound 5 yards.

lol that is so wrong.

 

[Catfish]

Ownership will demand???

Don't you think that they trust the guy they signed to an over 5M per year extension to make the right call on this issue?

Do you think that any self respecting Coach in this day-and-age would accept to be dictated from on high on this call?

Leinart will start because he's better prepared to take on the responsibility than Anderson, and, I think, will do quite well.

But, if he doesn't play well... he'll get yanked, and, I suggest, that Whiz won't be calling upstairs for permission.

That's right-----Ownership will demand it. The guy who signs the checks trumps everyone else when it comes to seeing what he gets for his money. He will at least want to see that, The only thing different that I could see concerning that is, if they opt to get in the bidding for McNabb, now that Reid is apparently consiering offers for him. That would change everything. Barring that, I still say Matt starts and will be given time to prove or disprove himself. Take it to the bank.

 

[nashman]

What you can take to the bank is... we will NOT be involved in trade talks concerning McNabb PERIOD!!!!!!

 

[Mitch]

I usually hate these "what-if" threads but I love this one.

Any possibility we'd somehow wind up with McNabb would be a move biblical in nature - (maybe not for a Dan Snyder or a Jerry Jones but for us cosmic).

Yet we've witnessed in the past how tiny undercurrents of rumors orginally surfacing months ago can turn out to be a "where there's smoke" kind of deal.

The rumors about McNabb to the Cardinals have been out there since Jan/Feb.

He has a home in Scottsdale - raising 2 possibilities: (1) that a reporter with an overly-active imagination put 2 & 2 together and decided it made logical sense for Donovan & the Cards to want to get together or (2) that McNabb feels that joining the home town in the city where he lives would be a "no brainer."

Then there's the trail blazed by Kurt Warner - both as a high-achieving pappy-guy and a mentor for Leinart. If Kurt could do it in the desert, why not Donovan?

Then there's what I'll call the "you only get so many shots at the brass ring" factor. The probability that McNabb is still good enough to lead the Cardinals (as currently structured) to a Super Bowl is much greater than the probability that Leinart can accomplish this. So the quandary becomes: "Do we give up part of our future as a franchise in order to have a realistic shot at being in the next Super Bowl? Or do we make the sounder football decision of playing it safer?

The CW has to be that (a) we've just signed Anderson and have too much invested (and too much potential) in Leinart, (b) would have to give up so much in players/picks that - even with McNabb here - it would hurt our roster enough to make it difficult if not possible to make the playoffs let alone the Supe. And then there's (c) why would Philly want to trade within the NFC? and (d) the amount Philly would want for McNabb compared to what we'd be willing to give up.

But that said - If the Cardinals felt they could somehow land McNabb without gutting the rest of the team and the future of the franchise - and they also thought this would be enough to give us a strong shot at the Super Bowl - I wouldn't entirely rule it out.

Like I said - this is a fun thread. Who the bleep knows what's going on behind the scenes & whether there's any fire under all that smoke.

Perfectly said and thought through in every way. Great, great post, Jeff!

 

[chickenhead]

Yeah, no one BUT THE TEAM says they are sold on Leinart. I know people like to go off the deep end during the offseason, and idiots like that La Canfora asshat just refuse to listen to anything that doesn't allow him to propogate rumor and stir the pot, but WE ARE NOT TRADING FOR MCNABB!!! LEINART is going to start for us. Not that I expect, you know, logic and reason to enter the discussion, but our coach, who is known to be honest and has no reason to cast a smoke screen, has said as much. But people that don't want Leinart to start are going to keep spouting this nonsense. Ah well.

To clarify, my equation was about the media, so when I said no one is sold on Leinart I was referring to them (or most of the analysts and commentators, anyway).

 

[cardinal call]

wait McNabb can only throw 5 yards? correct me if im wrong but didnt he have like 9 50+ yard td throws

 

[joeshmo]

I wouldnt want McNabb if he were free.. Dude chokes in big games..

And fumbles the ball a lot, inaccurate, never played in anything but a west coast offense which is drastically different then our scheme, 33 years old, one a one year contract, and oh yeah chokes in big games.

And dont ever bring up a report from Jason La Canfora anymore. He is now the worst one of the two major sources (ESPN and NFL). The guy still thinks we have re-signed Matt Ware.

 

[gamebird98]

Just got a text...

Graves...NO interest in McNabb

 

[82CardsGrad]

Another McNabb thread???

 

[gamebird98]

sorry...with all the Mcnabb talk, I thought this was good news...sorry to post on your board!

 

[CaptTurbo]

get a clue!!!

Seeing as how I live an hour from ophilly and 90% of the people I know are eagles fans, including my whole family, I think i know a bit more about him than you.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Seeing as how I live an hour from ophilly and 90% of the people I know are eagles fans, including my whole family, I think i know a bit more about him than you.

LOL.

I live closer to the Cardinals stadium that you do. I must know more about the Cards than you.

See how interesting that line of logic is?

 

[CaptTurbo]

Tell that to DeSean Jackson.

I'd hate it if we had McNabb, but this right here......

for everytime he hgits jackson long he had 10 throws over the head or at the feet at someone 5-10 yards out.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

for everytime he hgits jackson long he had 10 throws over the head or at the feet at someone 5-10 yards out.

Show me the stats to back that claim up. I'm calling that bluff.