Michael Floyd

[az1965]

Floyd is on pace for 19 catches, 192 yards, 3 TDs.

There's still plenty of time for him to turn it around, but the history of slow starting receivers taken in the top half of the first round isn't encouraging.

Heck, with this offense, even Larry is on pace for a meager 1078.4 total yards and 6 TD.

 

[Russ Smith]

We needed a #2. Period. To try to take some of the focus of defense away from Fitz. Both Andre and Early were unanimously not considered to be that guy. Heck, they struggled to even get open at times. Now some of that was also QB play as the QB either missed them or was not even looking at them.

Again, what OL other than Riley could we have selected at #13? I don't know how Riley is doing... any insights?

I already answered that several times, I would have taken DeCastro. Reiff last time I heard wasn't starting, but almost assuredly would be here. DeCastro got hurt.

You really think the biggest need on this team from last season was a #2 WR? And again when most people said we could use a #2, we meant speed guy, which is not Michael Floyd. I get that Fitz gets doubled often but he had a career high in yardage last season, by FAR a career high in YPC(about 2.5 YPC more) and a respectable 8 TD's. Given our QB and OL issues last year, it's not like Fitz was being rendered useless.

There's been a large drop in YPC so far this year(about 5), in part I would submit because the OL is so bad we can't get time to throw downfield.

That #2 WR sure isn't helping Fitz so far, and that's with a breakout season from Roberts.

 

[Bodha]

Roberts didn't play much early on but when he did they weren't constantly telling him where to line up. that's completely mental, know the playbook.

So your more concerned about a guy lining up than actually catching the ball when it comes to him?

Draft, I'm talking just OL's, last time I checked Ingram isn't an OL but if you count him you have to count Chandler Jones, hightower, hell Smith from ND is starting for the Vikings IIRC. Doug Martin. Jenkins the guy he couldn't beat last night(not that I would have touched him).

AS for OL's DeCastro was the obvious pick or Reiff, Glenn is already starting we'll see him next.

-Hightower and Chndler dont fit our D

-Didnt need a safety

-Last I heard Reiff is struggling BADLY

- Naming Janoris Jenkins is 100% hindsight. Period. You think we shouldve taken a major problem guy, at 11, when CB was probably 4th on our needs list.

- Cant name Glenn because he was a 2nd rounder. Your only options are guys taken 12-32, he wasnt one of them.

-Doug Martin? We had 2 healthy RBs at the time.

- Johnathan Martin is also struggling

- since we can only go by whats happened to a guy elsewhere, DeCastro wouldve been out anyways. So that pick wouldve been completely wasted this year.



So I say again, If Floyd was such a horrible pick, who did we pass up on to take him?

We supposedly took Floyd to alleviate double teams but he's nowhere near ready to do that.

HIS ENTIRE CAREER IS EXACTLY 5 GAMES RIGHT NOW


Yeah, hes not ready ATM, so cut him.

 

[desertdawg]

I'm hoping this is the kind of game Floydd is going to get pumped up for. Zero to hero, then hero to zero, what have you done for me lately is what it does come down to. Droppsies are not acceptable during a hot streak, but everybody has dropped one here or there. This kid (remember the kid part) has a lot on his plate, we think it should be easy to transition into fame, given the talent and the size we'd all kill for so to speak.

Class is still in session, PP was getting lit up by the league's best last year, I feel it made him better. Now homies head is so big he thinks all he has to do is be faster than someone down the sideline...game check homie, zig zags aint just rolling papers. Punt returns need to be fielded/caught before they can be returned. He can't count on speed defending a true route runner if he takes his eyes of the guys hips, thinking he can guess the next move. Once you are a step behind on a zagger, you aint catching up after the burn, no matter how fast you are.

Back to Floyd, who I still think can be bigtime, not a waste of time, he needs to respond and pull a few in this week. I don't care who's chucking that reggea, I don't care how he blocks as of right now. Catch the damn ball when it's important, first round bro!!

 

[Stout]

In hindsight, we should have definitely spent that pick on an offensive lineman or someone else that could contribute immediately. Floyd has a long way to go. Hopefully he finds his way. Too early to give up on him, but damn last night wasn't very good.

The heck with hindsight--I didn't want him before the draft, and I still wish we would have gone with Decastro.

There weren't any OL worthy of the pick. So they just went with their BPA. Once Floyd starts reading defenses/coverages better, I think he'll be fine. I don't think he looks overwhelmed athletically so when/if the mental part comes, he may take off.

I very much think you're wrong in that statement. Like, 100 percent.

 

[Russ Smith]

So your more concerned about a guy lining up than actually catching the ball when it comes to him?




-Hightower and Chndler dont fit our D

-Didnt need a safety

-Last I heard Reiff is struggling BADLY

- Naming Janoris Jenkins is 100% hindsight. Period. You think we shouldve taken a major problem guy, at 11, when CB was probably 4th on our needs list.

- Cant name Glenn because he was a 2nd rounder. Your only options are guys taken 12-32, he wasnt one of them.

-Doug Martin? We had 2 healthy RBs at the time.

- Johnathan Martin is also struggling

- since we can only go by whats happened to a guy elsewhere, DeCastro wouldve been out anyways. So that pick wouldve been completely wasted this year.



So I say again, If Floyd was such a horrible pick, who did we pass up on to take him?









HIS ENTIRE CAREER IS EXACTLY 5 GAMES RIGHT NOW


Yeah, hes not ready ATM, so cut him.

I can't name people taken after the first round? Why the hell not were they on the board when Floyd was taken?

I already told you why I mentioned Glenn, because someone, I think Rugby, was campaigning for him as being highly underrated and he's already starting.

You said there weren't clearly better players so I named one. And I very clearly said I wouldn't have touched Jenkins so why you even bothered to mention that I don't know, guess you just like to argue.

I love your line of reasoning 5 games is too early to say Floyd lacks something but you have no problem writing off DeCastro or Rieff, and you throw in Martin who I didn't even mention ( mentioned the RB Martin not the OL Martin). I don't know if Reiff is a star but I would be pretty confident that he might be better than what we're playing right now. He isn't starting where he is right now, pretty likely he would be here.

And again why do you keep bringing up Roberts, when you take a WR from a small school in the 3rd round you don't necessarily expect him to come in right away and play. When you take a WR from a big school with the 11th overall pick you expect him to be able to line up and play, Floyd can't even line up yet. He'll eventually be good but he isn't yet and if you watched Whiz' face after the game it was pretty obvious he's getting frustrated with the kid too.

Not sure what to make of your catching balls coming to him he has twice as many catches as drops this year. If you're going to hang your hat on his hands you're hat is laying on the floor right now.

Can you show me where I suggested we cut him? Sure don't recall saying that. Why bother to make things up.

 

[Duckjake]

When you take a WR from a big school with the 11th overall pick you expect him to be able to line up and play, Floyd can't even line up yet.

Looks like you are right on with your take on Floyd and so far sums up what we have seen from him to date.

Release: Does not explode off the line of scrimmage and runs with long strides. His size and strength make him tough to press, however, and he is capable of separating with physicality -- but not pure speed. Hands: Has strong hands, but scouts have questions about his consistency as a receiver. Excellent vertical and ability to adjust to high throws, and also snatches wide throws near the sideline or over the middle. Tracks the ball well over his shoulder (or head), though he will lose sideline awareness in some cases. Too often lets the ball get into his body. Route running: Needs to tighten up his routes, but has the quick feet and balance to cut or
come back to the ball. Should excel in a West Coast or timing-type of offense. Lined up at every receiver position to take advantage of the best matchup. Solid threat on slants, shallow crosses and in the red zone. After the catch: More of a bull than a cheetah. Will not outrun NFL defensive backs, but has more than enough speed to turn short passes into long gains when his quarterback leads him. Can make a quick inside move on an out route to get additional yardage, but won't outrun NFL defenders from a standstill. Looks best when plowing over corners one-on-one in space or carrying multiple defenders down the middle. Blocking: Has the size to handle defensive backs, but needs to be more consistent here to give backs a chance to break off big runs. When ready to go on screens and run plays to his side, he is capable of a strong punch and sustaining the block. Often misses his target or fails to sustain by not giving full effort if the play is designed to go away from him. Intangibles:

 

[juza76]

i would like to know the last high prospets coming from notre dame and being not a bust

 

[AzStevenCal]

i would like to know the last high prospets coming from notre dame and being not a bust

He wasn't a first round pick but the last pretty good player that comes to mind for me is Justin Tuck. Notre Dame hasn't been the football factory it once was but still, I wouldn't let that keep me from drafting the right player. Not that I ever thought Floyd was the right player.

Steve

 

[Duckjake]

i would like to know the last high prospets coming from notre dame and being not a bust

Joe Montana

Justin Tuck and Ryan Grant come to mind.

Floyd and Golden Tate are the only Notre Dame WRs in the NFL.

Texas has 40 former players in the NFL and none of them are WRs.

 

[juza76]

Joe Montana

Justin Tuck and Ryan Grant come to mind.

Floyd and Golden Tate are the only Notre Dame WRs in the NFL.

Texas has 40 former players in the NFL and none of them are WRs.

thank u but i was meaning recently
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high percentage of busts

 

[Buckybird]

-Doug Martin? We had 2 healthy RBs at the time.

Really? IMO not at all & they are still hurt or somewhat damaged

 

[Bodha]

I can't name people taken after the first round? Why the hell not were they on the board when Floyd was taken?

No, because people are complaining about "spending our 1at rounder on ..." So you can only speculate on 1st round guys.

Its no different than saying "Tom Brady shouldve been drafted #1 overall"

You can only go by round.



And my point is pretty much varified if you cant find a guy is picks 12-32 whos a better pick than Floyd, that you have to reach that much further into the draft. So obviously the guys between floyd and Glenn Werent better picks than him.....


swish

You said there weren't clearly better players so I named one. And I very clearly said I wouldn't have touched Jenkins so why you even bothered to mention that I don't know, guess you just like to argue.

why even mention Jenkins if hes not an option?

I guess you just like to talk.

I love your line of reasoning 5 games is too early to say Floyd lacks something but you have no problem writing off DeCastro or Rieff, and you throw in Martin who I didn't even mention ( mentioned the RB Martin not the OL Martin). I don't know if Reiff is a star but I would be pretty confident that he might be better than what we're playing right now. He isn't starting where he is right now, pretty likely he would be here.

Yeah I mention 5 games, becuase if you all are complaining about Floyd after 5 games, than youd be complaining about Reiff or any other guy whos struggling after 5 games too.

Had we taken Reiff, this would be a "Reiffs a bust, We shouldve taken Melvin Ingram"

secondly, the difference between all these guys is Floyd was the best talent out of all of them. He was the BPA. Taking Reiff or Doug Martin wouldve been total BS because Floyd was the BPA, and youd be doubly pissed because Reiff wouldve turned out to struggle also.

Reiff was not a good option. Would have been Levi all over again. Already spoke about Doug Martin.

I brought up J Martin because you said "OL prospects". He was one of them and he was a terrible option, and is proving it now.

DeCastro is apparantly injury prone, not to mention taking a G in the first round is a very bad pick. 7 of the 10 top G's in the NFL are from round 3 and further back.

And again why do you keep bringing up Roberts, when you take a WR from a small school in the 3rd round you don't necessarily expect him to come in right away and play. When you take a WR from a big school with the 11th overall pick you expect him to be able to line up and play, Floyd can't even line up yet. He'll eventually be good but he isn't yet and if you watched Whiz' face after the game it was pretty obvious he's getting frustrated with the kid too.

So your punishing Floyd for being great in College?

You want to hear a difference between 1st and 3rd rounders that you left out? Pressure.

You dont think MF knows he was drafted 11? Or any other rookie for that matter? Are 1st rounders cyborgs? Do they not have emotions or nerves? Are they seasoned veterans in the bodies of 23 year olds?



Take 2 kids. Same age. Put them into the NFL.

-Say to one "Okay, we're going to bring you along slow. Youre going to sit for awhile and learn. Youll get in there some for special teams, alright? If you work hard, you might have a future in the NFL"

-Say to the other "Okay, your starting Sunday, be sure you know all the plays and all the audibles. Make sure you make your key blocks. Play smart, dont get called for any dumb penalties. We're counting on you"

Do I really need to elaborate?

Not sure what to make of your catching balls coming to him he has twice as many catches as drops this year. If you're going to hang your hat on his hands you're hat is laying on the floor right now.

Who are you talking about? MF or Andre? And if Andre, we're talking about his rookie year. You think im compaing Roberts, RIGHT NOW, to Rookie MF?

 

[Chopper0080]

No, because people are complaining about "spending our 1at rounder on ..." So you can only speculate on 1st round guys.

Its no different than saying "Tom Brady shouldve been drafted #1 overall"

You can only go by round.



And my point is pretty much varified if you cant find a guy is picks 12-32 whos a better pick than Floyd, that you have to reach that much further into the draft. So obviously the guys between floyd and Glenn Werent better picks than him.....


swish



why even mention Jenkins if hes not an option?

I guess you just like to talk.




Yeah I mention 5 games, becuase if you all are complaining about Floyd after 5 games, than youd be complaining about Reiff or any other guy whos struggling after 5 games too.

Had we taken Reiff, this would be a "Reiffs a bust, We shouldve taken Melvin Ingram"

secondly, the difference between all these guys is Floyd was the best talent out of all of them. He was the BPA. Taking Reiff or Doug Martin wouldve been total BS because Floyd was the BPA, and youd be doubly pissed because Reiff wouldve turned out to struggle also.

Reiff was not a good option. Would have been Levi all over again. Already spoke about Doug Martin.

I brought up J Martin because you said "OL prospects". He was one of them and he was a terrible option, and is proving it now.

DeCastro is apparantly injury prone, not to mention taking a G in the first round is a very bad pick. 7 of the 10 top G's in the NFL are from round 3 and further back.



So your punishing Floyd for being great in College?

You want to hear a difference between 1st and 3rd rounders that you left out? Pressure.

You dont think MF knows he was drafted 11? Or any other rookie for that matter? Are 1st rounders cyborgs? Do they not have emotions or nerves? Are they seasoned veterans in the bodies of 23 year olds?



Take 2 kids. Same age. Put them into the NFL.

-Say to one "Okay, we're going to bring you along slow. Youre going to sit for awhile and learn. Youll get in there some for special teams, alright? If you work hard, you might have a future in the NFL"

-Say to the other "Okay, your starting Sunday, be sure you know all the plays and all the audibles. Make sure you make your key blocks. Play smart, dont get called for any dumb penalties. We're counting on you"

Do I really need to elaborate?



Who are you talking about? MF or Andre? And if Andre, we're talking about his rookie year. You think im compaing Roberts, RIGHT NOW, to Rookie MF?

How is one injury over a three year period make you injury prone? And why would taking a player that makes your offense better, improves a weakness, effects both the run and pass game, and also [plays the majority of the unit's snaps a "very bad pick"?

 

[Russ Smith]

No, because people are complaining about "spending our 1at rounder on ..." So you can only speculate on 1st round guys.

Its no different than saying "Tom Brady shouldve been drafted #1 overall"

You can only go by round.



And my point is pretty much varified if you cant find a guy is picks 12-32 whos a better pick than Floyd, that you have to reach that much further into the draft. So obviously the guys between floyd and Glenn Werent better picks than him.....


swish



why even mention Jenkins if hes not an option?

I guess you just like to talk.




Yeah I mention 5 games, becuase if you all are complaining about Floyd after 5 games, than youd be complaining about Reiff or any other guy whos struggling after 5 games too.

Had we taken Reiff, this would be a "Reiffs a bust, We shouldve taken Melvin Ingram"

secondly, the difference between all these guys is Floyd was the best talent out of all of them. He was the BPA. Taking Reiff or Doug Martin wouldve been total BS because Floyd was the BPA, and youd be doubly pissed because Reiff wouldve turned out to struggle also.

Reiff was not a good option. Would have been Levi all over again. Already spoke about Doug Martin.

I brought up J Martin because you said "OL prospects". He was one of them and he was a terrible option, and is proving it now.

DeCastro is apparantly injury prone, not to mention taking a G in the first round is a very bad pick. 7 of the 10 top G's in the NFL are from round 3 and further back.



So your punishing Floyd for being great in College?

You want to hear a difference between 1st and 3rd rounders that you left out? Pressure.

You dont think MF knows he was drafted 11? Or any other rookie for that matter? Are 1st rounders cyborgs? Do they not have emotions or nerves? Are they seasoned veterans in the bodies of 23 year olds?



Take 2 kids. Same age. Put them into the NFL.

-Say to one "Okay, we're going to bring you along slow. Youre going to sit for awhile and learn. Youll get in there some for special teams, alright? If you work hard, you might have a future in the NFL"

-Say to the other "Okay, your starting Sunday, be sure you know all the plays and all the audibles. Make sure you make your key blocks. Play smart, dont get called for any dumb penalties. We're counting on you"

Do I really need to elaborate?



Who are you talking about? MF or Andre? And if Andre, we're talking about his rookie year. You think im compaing Roberts, RIGHT NOW, to Rookie MF?

Swish? What are you 11?

You said name players taken that were clearly better than Floyd, Doug Martin is one of them. There are quite a few. I didn't say they were all position of need remember the claim is we don't pick for need we pick BPA?

Yeah Brady is really relevant taken way after the first round pick one of the alltime sleeper picks as an example that's good.

Seriously now I remember why I had you on ignore.

I mentioned Jenkins because he's the guy that Floyd got so frustrated trying to beat him that he wound up shoving him at the goalline and got an OPI for it. Because he can't run a pattern yet to get open.

And no I wouldn't have taken him for character which was the bigger reason why I objected to us taking Floyd. Completely atypical pick by this organization a kid who was in trouble multiple times in college, but Fitz vouches for him. Then we pick him and then Fitz is capping on the kid for not showing up at workouts.

Now here we are 5 games in and the kid can't line up and is running the wrong routes.

Do you know what BPA means? If he's the BPA why does he have 6 catches 3 drops and 3 penalties right now? If #2 WR was such a need why is he only 4th on the depth chart?

DeCastro is injury prone? Are you really serious? He tore his MCL and dislocated his kneecap yeah that's clearly an injury prone guy not a freak injury clearly he was destined to get hurt.

So by your logic teams should not start first rounders because of the pressure but instead start 3rd rounders. Novel concept, we could completely rethink the draft, everyone takes first round talents in the 3rd round and first round talents in the 1st round. We can call it "bodhaing" the pick.

Welcome back to ignore.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Russ,

You are IMO overstating Floyd's issues in College, as we'll as, beimg called out by Fitz. BPA in a draft has nothing to do with how a player is adjusting in his first few weeks; it simply means he was the highest rated on the Cards board. You are not usually one to prejudge, so I'm a bit surprised by your animus.

 

[Bodha]

You said name players taken that were clearly better than Floyd, Doug Martin is one of them. There are quite a few. I didn't say they were all position of need remember the claim is we don't pick for need we pick BPA?

omg, your giving me a headache.

Dont just name names that are better than MF.
Luck!
RG3!
Chandler Jones!


Name PICKS that WE WOULD TAKE Instead of MF.

SerDo you know what BPA means? If he's the BPA why does he have 6 catches 3 drops and 3 penalties right now? If #2 WR was such a need why is he only 4th on the depth chart?

....BPA applies to the BPA at the date of the draft.

You decide who the BPA is by looking at what they did in college.


Not after 5 games in October...



Your completely right, the coaches shouldve dialed up the future to see what MF's production would be 7 months later.

So by your logic teams should not start first rounders because of the pressure but instead start 3rd rounders.

I said treat them the same.

Both sit and learn.

Welcome back to ignore.

Welcome to the Swish list.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Welcome to the Swish list.

lol... this has to be one of the lamest "smackdowns" i've ever seen here.

 

[gmabel830]

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[Matt L]

A couple of things:

1. Andre Roberts said that the reason he struggled his rookie year was the coaches had him learn all three WR positions. He blamed that on his drops/fumbles from his rookie season.

2. Have there been any rookie WRs to come in during Whiz's tenure and light it up? Have there been any to come in and produce within the first five weeks? Is it possible that the system is complex and it takes time to learn even for big time college program WRs?

3. I honestly think Floyd has a better chance to become a difference maker in the league. So far he has not been impressive but I have not expected much out of him at this point of the season. Hopefully he will improve and start to show something in the second half, which is somewhat typical for our first round picks.

 

[Russ Smith]

Russ,

You are IMO overstating Floyd's issues in College, as we'll as, beimg called out by Fitz. BPA in a draft has nothing to do with how a player is adjusting in his first few weeks; it simply means he was the highest rated on the Cards board. You are not usually one to prejudge, so I'm a bit surprised by your animus.

He had 3 alcohol related incidents in college including a DUI with a BAC so high he's lucky he didn't kill someone. During the week of the draft there were reports that some teams pulled him off their first round draft board because while he came clean to NFL teams about his use of alcohol in college, some teams didn't see that as a positive because of the details of his use. In other words many teams saw it as a positive that he came clean, and a few teams thought the details of how much he was drinking in college made him too risky to pick in the first round.

BPA means best PLAYER available. If we had a huge need for a #2 Wr and drafted him to be that #2 WR because he was the BPA, why is he #4 right now? Because he's the 4th best WR on this team.

Fitz was pushing for him do I think that's the only reason we picked him no, but I do think it played a role in us overlooking his off field problems. Fitz had personally known the kids for years and that was enough for the Cards to decide to give him a chance.

I'm not saying Floyd won't eventually be good, he will, but on a team that knew they had OL issues to pass on an OL for WR you sure as hell better get one that's ready to contributed fairly early. Floyd can't even line up.

The last 2 games have really illustrated the problem we have on the OL. Floyd will eventually be a good player I suspect but it's frustrating watching a team with a playoff level defense be dragged down by such issues on the OL.

 

[Russ Smith]

A couple of things:

1. Andre Roberts said that the reason he struggled his rookie year was the coaches had him learn all three WR positions. He blamed that on his drops/fumbles from his rookie season.

2. Have there been any rookie WRs to come in during Whiz's tenure and light it up? Have there been any to come in and produce within the first five weeks? Is it possible that the system is complex and it takes time to learn even for big time college program WRs?

3. I honestly think Floyd has a better chance to become a difference maker in the league. So far he has not been impressive but I have not expected much out of him at this point of the season. Hopefully he will improve and start to show something in the second half, which is somewhat typical for our first round picks.

Right I agree with that it's another reason to not pass on an OL. During the Whiz years one of the few positions where guys have come in and played right away has been on the OL. Not great (Levi, Massie now, Deuce) but they have played and contributed right away.

This wasn't a very good Wr draft IMO, Floyd was one of the higher rated in a week WR draft. Several of the guys will eventually be good, Blackmon, Jeffery, I think Floyd will, the kid from Baylor etc but there was no Juio Jones or AJ Green in this draft where you pass on an OL to take a WR because he's just too good not to.

As much as we're throwing the ball and with his PT increasing he's going to eventually have a breakout game of 5-6 catches, he's single covered all the time and it's clear that Kolb will throw him the ball if he's open, he hasn't gotten scared off yet by the frequent drops. Hopefully he'll start to calm down but my real concern is how mentally unprepared he is. He literally couldn't line up on a play where all we were trying to do was draw the other team offsides, Kolb got so tired of trying to move him he called timeout and glared at him as he walked over to the sideline.

 

[az1965]

I already answered that several times, I would have taken DeCastro. Reiff last time I heard wasn't starting, but almost assuredly would be here. DeCastro got hurt.

You really think the biggest need on this team from last season was a #2 WR? And again when most people said we could use a #2, we meant speed guy, which is not Michael Floyd. I get that Fitz gets doubled often but he had a career high in yardage last season, by FAR a career high in YPC(about 2.5 YPC more) and a respectable 8 TD's. Given our QB and OL issues last year, it's not like Fitz was being rendered useless.

There's been a large drop in YPC so far this year(about 5), in part I would submit because the OL is so bad we can't get time to throw downfield.

That #2 WR sure isn't helping Fitz so far, and that's with a breakout season from Roberts.

Sorry, neither Reiff nor DeCastro were worth #13 pick and it would have been a reach. It's not that the team did not know they need a tackle. They go by their draft board. Whether Floyd works out or not, we will see. The speed WR was the desire of some on this message board. I don't remember the team ever saying they need a speed guy as #2.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I very much think you're wrong in that statement. Like, 100 percent.

Who? The next OL off the board was 10 picks later at 23. In round 1, that's a pretty big reach. Even moreseo when you factor in that Matt Kalil was the only OL off the board at the time. That pretty much means that 20 teams felt there was only 1 OL wothy of being selected in the top 20. Just because you liked DeCastro or Reiff doesn't make them worthy of a top 20 pick. Plus, it's not like there weren't a bunch of teams that needed OL help. Then, factor in that, about on average, 6 OL get selected in round 1, and it shows how weak the class was after Kalil. Taking Reiff or DeCastro at 13 would have been a classic reach pick.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Who? The next OL off the board was 10 picks later at 23. In round 1, that's a pretty big reach. Even moreseo when you factor in that Matt Kalil was the only OL off the board at the time. That pretty much means that 20 teams felt there was only 1 OL wothy of being selected in the top 20. Just because you liked DeCastro or Reiff doesn't make them worthy of a top 20 pick. Plus, it's not like there weren't a bunch of teams that needed OL help. Then, factor in that, about on average, 6 OL get selected in round 1, and it shows how weak the class was after Kalil. Taking Reiff or DeCastro at 13 would have been a classic reach pick.

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