Miller once again does it again!

[Russ Smith]

Great so the conversations listed in the report with Book is only about 1% of the evidence they have. He must be on record specifically stating a lot info that isn't public; which current players he allegedly paid, how much $ they got, when it happened etc... You have to ask what Book's end game was? Take money from this agency, keep it and hope they never find out it's not going to players? That's hard for me to buy.

People keep reporting that there are thousands of subpoenas and stuff out there but according to the ex federal prosecutor guy who posts on BRO that's highly misleading. Lots of them are for wire taps and permissions to record conversations and to banks and financial institutions as they try to track money. That is there's not thousands of potential witnesses, there is just a ton of info that they have to do the appropriate documentation on. The case certainly could get much bigger, if the list goes to say 30 schools, but that would just expand the list of coaches, most of these guys are dealing with the same shoe company folks, same agents etc.

When the FBI raided Nike EYBL and ASM one of the people they were asking about, I'm blanking on the name is a guy who owns a company based in arizona that runs all star games and stuff for Nike, . The guy is not from Arizona and didn't attend Arizona but he currently lives in arizona so that seems to be a coincidence, that is it doesn't appear where he lives is connected to Arizona the school. But he's been raided by the FBI too there are multiple stories that claim that.

I really don't think Arizona is going to get major sanctions unless it somehow comes out Miller was involved and I doubt he was. Head coaches make way too much money to take those risks, I fully believe head coaches know this stuff goes on, they're all control freaks, but I don't think they're directly involved by design.

The big risk for UA IMO has always been players getting suspended.

 

[GatorAZ]

I really don't think Arizona is going to get major sanctions unless it somehow comes out Miller was involved and I doubt he was. Head coaches make way too much money to take those risks, I fully believe head coaches know this stuff goes on, they're all control freaks, but I don't think they're directly involved by design.

The big risk for UA IMO has always been players getting suspended.

Depends on what Book tells them. They used the terms "victim" which I realize is more of a label than conclusion but we have no idea what the coaches in custody are saying. I'm guessing since Book had been with Miller for 10+ years he may be more loyal than Bland etc...

 

[carey]

Looks like Pastner might be screwed: https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...-of-underplaying-violations-by-jilted-friend/

 

[GatorAZ]

Looks like Pastner might be screwed: https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...-of-underplaying-violations-by-jilted-friend/

There's a lot to process from that article and Parrish really tried to drop Arizona's name as much as possible. Always remember to call the bag man on his birthday.

 

[Russ Smith]

Williams and O'Neal announce they are still committed to Arizona but will not sign in the early signing period so they can see what happens with the FBI case.

Maybe UCLA can steal Williams. See what I did there, UCLA, Steal.

 

[GatorAZ]

Williams and O'Neal announce they are still committed to Arizona but will not sign in the early signing period so they can see what happens with the FBI case.

Maybe UCLA can steal Williams. See what I did there, UCLA, Steal.

Smart on their part to make sure nothing happens to Miller. It's not like Arizona will be completely cleared in the upcoming months though. Look how late Bagley decided so they could wait thru next summer.

 

[GatorAZ]

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[Russ Smith]

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If I had to guess I'm assuming he got some sort of guarantee that if he changes his mind due to the FBI stuff, Arizona will let him out.

I can understand why the kid would want to stay committed, he grew up a UA fan, but I'm frankly surprised any of these elite kids are signing anything, just wait.

 

[GatorAZ]

If I had to guess I'm assuming he got some sort of guarantee that if he changes his mind due to the FBI stuff, Arizona will let him out.

I can understand why the kid would want to stay committed, he grew up a UA fan, but I'm frankly surprised any of these elite kids are signing anything, just wait.

Kids have gotten out due to scandals before. If the program gets hammered I'm sure he could choose somewhere else to play. It's a good look to have a guy sign for the optics though.

Maybe Miller knows something we don't yet. I remember hearing Roy Williams telling Nassir Little that nothing major was going to happen with the academic scandal penalties and he was right.

http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/10/09/...concerned-potential-ncaa-sanctions-tar-heels/

 

[Russ Smith]

Kids have gotten out due to scandals before. If the program gets hammered I'm sure he could choose somewhere else to play. It's a good look to have a guy sign for the optics though.

Maybe Miller knows something we don't yet. I remember hearing Roy Williams telling Nassir Little that nothing major was going to happen with the academic scandal penalties and he was right.

http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/10/09/...concerned-potential-ncaa-sanctions-tar-heels/

FWIW, Gershon says he's not signing an NLI, he's signing grant in aid papers which binds Arizona to give him a scholarship, but does NOT bind Williams to Arizona. Which is precisely what all these kids should sign in the first place not NLI's.

So he is in fact guaranteed he can get out and go somewhere else, which makes perfect sense.

 

[Mr. Boldin]

The thing is the players aren't charged with anything, the only federal crime they could be involved in would be tax evasion if they got money and don't report it and there's nothing in the FBI story that says they've involved the IRS.

If the FBI gives the names to the NCAA those players will then have to prove to the NCAA they're eligible, that's how the system works, that's how it has always worked, suspend player make him prove he's eligible. The only unknown here is does the NCAA have those names yet, and none of us know that answer.

Pure speculation, but all thee coaches know whats going on, ex players obviously do, journalists know, boosters know, ADs probably know, but the NCAA has no clue? I find that extremely hard to believe.

Thats what I mean when I say the NCAA will be wrapped up in this thing. FBI are going after the big names here (Nike, Addidas, ect.). That list will include the NCAA to some extent.

 

[Russ Smith]

Pure speculation, but all thee coaches know whats going on, ex players obviously do, journalists know, boosters know, ADs probably know, but the NCAA has no clue? I find that extremely hard to believe.

Thats what I mean when I say the NCAA will be wrapped up in this thing. FBI are going after the big names here (Nike, Addidas, ect.). That list will include the NCAA to some extent.

There's already a claim out there that the guy who quit Bama, Kobie Baker, was involved in getting Ferguson to verbally commit there awhile back. He was a former NCAA compliance officer and apparently convinced Alabama he could get them Ferguson, and get him cleared. So they agreed to hire him, Ferguson committed, a week later they officially announced Baker was hired.

all went well until Ferguson changed his mind and decommitted and surprise Ferguson wasn't expected to clear and went to play in Australia.

It raises the question of did Baker believe he had some deal in place to get former co workers at the NCAA to help clear a kid who wouldn't otherwise have cleared? If that story is true, it absolutely implicates the NCAA as it implies they're open to breaking their own rules, and it sort of explains why John Calipari hired a former NCAA compliance official a few years ago at Kentucky.

 

[GatorAZ]

There's a rumor on Players Program from a reliable guy that there's big recruiting news tomorrow but i'm guessing it has to do with Shareef. I can't see anyone committing right now and Bol is a lock to Oregon. Glad they're benefitting from our mess.

 

[TJ]

There's a rumor on Players Program from a reliable guy that there's big recruiting news tomorrow but i'm guessing it has to do with Shareef. I can't see anyone committing right now and Bol is a lock to Oregon. Glad they're benefitting from our mess.

Shareef signed financial aid paperwork, which was the reason why Miller waited to discuss recruitment.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Shareef signed financial aid paperwork, which was the reason why Miller waited to discuss recruitment.

Shaq’s son needs financial aid?!?

 

[TJ]

Shaq’s son needs financial aid?!?

Technicality, though Shareef will still get a free ride.

In order for Miller to publicly discuss recruits, he has to have some sort of documentation signed, and since recruits don't want to sign NLIs because of the investigation, this was the next-best option.

 

[GatorAZ]

Bol is overrated but it sucks the investigation fallout is benefitting Oregon. The way Altman is pulling recruits I think they're here to stay.

 

[TJ]

Bol is overrated but it sucks the investigation fallout is benefitting Oregon. The way Altman is pulling recruits I think they're here to stay.

Bol and Norris are both very overrated prospects. Norris had a bad summer and Bol will struggle against larger players. Funny to think that Bol is the #3 prospect in the 2018 class. He wouldn’t be Top 10 this year.

 

[Russ Smith]

Technicality, though Shareef will still get a free ride.

In order for Miller to publicly discuss recruits, he has to have some sort of documentation signed, and since recruits don't want to sign NLIs because of the investigation, this was the next-best option.

That's what kids should do anyways either sign a scholarship agreement or don't sign at all. NLI's are absolutely useless to elite recruits they only help the school

 

[Russ Smith]

Bol is overrated but it sucks the investigation fallout is benefitting Oregon. The way Altman is pulling recruits I think they're here to stay.

I can't make up my mind on Bol I thought he was vastly overrated but he had a terrific summer. he can legitimately shoot and he can block shots, the rest of his game is still raw.

I don't like Norris at all, he runs like an old man or a kid with severe growing pains which is probably the case.

Too skinny and plays soft, but he's skilled.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Bol might be incredibly talented but I laughed when I read something to the extent of “I’m not like my dad, he was a big. I am a perimeter player.” Dude you’re 7’2. I don’t care if you’re beanpole. So was your father. Get your skinny tall butt in the paint.

 

[Russ Smith]

FWIW Taeshon Cherry decommitted from USC and reopened his recruitment. Arizona was the runnerup at the time, and lots of people thought he was the 2nd kid in the FBI scandal at USC(originally thought to be COB Jr) but now USC fans are insisting it was actually J'Raan Brooks who decommitted awhile ago.

Cherry presumably decommitted because of the FBI stuff so that would seem to make UA less attractive now but also USC is having a tough season, expects to have a mass exodus of players(McLaughlin, Stewart, Metu, Boatwright, and Melton) so he may simply have decided USC won't be good.

Very talented kid but he's also pretty selfish and he didn't do himself any favors changing highschools a few weeks before the school year started because he said his HS coach wasn't on the same page with him. Sort of reinforced the me first talk about him.

I'm guessing he ends up at SDSU or Gonzaga but will be interesting to see if he looks at Arizona.

 

[overseascardfan]

Obviously, the investigation is on the back burner until the end of the season. Until it gets resolved, UA and the other schools are going to remain in recruiting limbo.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Obviously, the investigation is on the back burner until the end of the season. Until it gets resolved, UA and the other schools are going to remain in recruiting limbo.

What?!? You think the FBI is taking a break because it’s basketball season?!?

 

[GatorAZ]

They're not landing any big fish until there's some kind of closure with the investigation. Maybe Miller can get a lower ranked kid like Sam Froling or a transfer. Akot and Randolph being a bit more raw than expected is a good thing because they should be back. Not sure if Akot is in the doghouse or injured but his game wasn't ready to reclassify.