Miller once again does it again!

[Russ Smith]

The past 24 hours? They ranted and raved on Saturday after this story broke on Friday. They had a 'Breaking News' alert that Miller had been fired. Parroting the wrong info on Miller's contract if fired with cause. Three different dates used in the initial report. Ayton implicated in the Yahoo story. Dawkins knowing Ayton. It's been nuts.

Most of that is true but Yahoo never mentioned Ayton, they mentioned Bowen, Alkins and Lauri.

The Miller is fired story sounds like the false alarm missile thing in Hawaii, they're saying because of the earlier report, ESPN assumed it might happen and had the headline with a mini story ready to go. Someone in press row at the game(Against OSU) announced Miller was fired and someone jumped the gun and ran the headline, very bad.

 

[SO91]

Most of that is true but Yahoo never mentioned Ayton, they mentioned Bowen, Alkins and Lauri.

The Miller is fired story sounds like the false alarm missile thing in Hawaii, they're saying because of the earlier report, ESPN assumed it might happen and had the headline with a mini story ready to go. Someone in press row at the game(Against OSU) announced Miller was fired and someone jumped the gun and ran the headline, very bad.

I'm aware of it. The things I listed are the things ESPN has gotten wrong thus far, yet put out there regardless. Forgive me for not trusting them blindly in this process. This isn't the first time they've been irresponsible with reports and alerts they put out. They're in the business of generating clicks as well.

 

[Chaplin]

Can someone seriously sum up this whole thing in a paragraph? Seems like there is a ton of news but nothing makes sense.

 

[TJ]

Can someone seriously sum up this whole thing in a paragraph? Seems like there is a ton of news but nothing makes sense.

I'll do my best:

Story came out Friday on ESPN that Miller discussed paying Ayton 100k for him to play at Arizona. Gets changed to Reports come out that it can't be possible because the timelines don't fit. The story gets corrected three times due to incorrect dates. Hansen goes on Phoenix radio and tells everyone that Book told him that payments were for Bowen, not Ayton. Dates still don't match up. Hansen goes back on Phoenix radio to recant his source and walkback a statement that Miller had ceased recruitment in September.

Total shitshow

 

[overseascardfan]

I'll do my best:

Story came out Friday on ESPN that Miller discussed paying Ayton 100k for him to play at Arizona. Reports come out that it can't be impossible because the timelines don't fight. The story gets corrected three times due to incorrect dates. Hansen goes on Phoenix radio and tells everyone that Book told him that payments were for Bowen, not Ayton. Dates still don't match up. Hansen goes back on Phoenix radio to recant his source and walkback a statement that Miller had ceased recruitment in September.

Total shitshow

So was Miller recorded on tape discussing Bowen getting $100k? Maybe they got the player wrong but maybe Miller is still on the hook if he's on the tape?

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'll do my best:

Story came out Friday on ESPN that Miller discussed paying Ayton 100k for him to play at Arizona. Gets changed to Reports come out that it can't be possible because the timelines don't fit. The story gets corrected three times due to incorrect dates. Hansen goes on Phoenix radio and tells everyone that Book told him that payments were for Bowen, not Ayton. Dates still don't match up. Hansen goes back on Phoenix radio to recant his source and walkback a statement that Miller had ceased recruitment in September.

Total shitshow

Jebus... that is a shitshow.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

What's weird is nobody is discussing Ayton. Even if this report was right about everything else but wrong about his involvement that alone should get Schlabach fired. You can't falsely drag a 19 year old through the mud a month before the NBA Draft without consequences.

 

[GatorAZ]

I'll do my best:

Story came out Friday on ESPN that Miller discussed paying Ayton 100k for him to play at Arizona. Gets changed to Reports come out that it can't be possible because the timelines don't fit. The story gets corrected three times due to incorrect dates. Hansen goes on Phoenix radio and tells everyone that Book told him that payments were for Bowen, not Ayton. Dates still don't match up. Hansen goes back on Phoenix radio to recant his source and walkback a statement that Miller had ceased recruitment in September.

Total shitshow

They actually corrected it four times if you include Schlabach saying that Miller and Dawkins “agreed” to a deal in his initial SC appearance. In the story it then said they “discussed” a deal to “ensure” Ayton signed there

 

[Russ Smith]

What's weird is nobody is discussing Ayton. Even if this report was right about everything else but wrong about his involvement that alone should get Schlabach fired. You can't falsely drag a 19 year old through the mud a month before the NBA Draft without consequences.

Agreed if it's not Ayton, Schlabach should be fired. I would add, this isn't going to impact Ayton's draft status one bit, even if it was Ayton and he did take money, the NBA wouldn't care, but the current situation isn't going to hurt him at all. But it is unfair to the kid if in fact he didn't do anything wrong.

 

[Russ Smith]

It's been on this site that the FBI raided Sean Miller's house and took his computer? I guess I completely misread that. I know they raided ASM Sports and Andy Miller. Are we sure we're not confusing the two?

Hansen even referenced it on air today apparently.

On Sean Miller and recruiting
“My guess is when the FBI raided his home early that one morning, the same morning they raided Book Richardson’s home, he realized it was all over. That's just my opinion. He knew there were things out there that would implicate him and in past years, every year he has been here he has got all these guys, you know the five stars year after year after year and suddenly nobody, not even a good 3-star?"

 

[TJ]

Looks like The Grim Reaper will be making a stop in Tucson today.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Hansen said he interviewed someone whose name rhymes with "Look" and that Miller had stopped recruiting in September. He was wrong on both accounts. Also, why would you go on the same radio show twice in a span of three hours? Someone must've got to him and told him to clarify/retract some of his statements.

How do you know Miller kept recruiting after the FBI raised his home last Sept?
Hansen - who now seems to be standing on some shaky turf, indicated that the program has Zero 4 or 5 star recruits?

 

[TJ]

How do you know Miller kept recruiting after the FBI raised his home last Sept?
Hansen - who now seems to be standing on some shaky turf, indicated that the program has Zero 4 or 5 star recruits?

Because he offered like 15 kids in the past month.

You can’t recruit effectively under that climate, particularly the elite kids. Miller was focused on keeping the kids who had already committed.

 

[TJ]

Just my personal opinion:

I hate to see Miller lose his job, but especially when his departure was prompted by sloppy journalism. ESPN and the Star will come out looking vindicated, but the ends don’t justify the means.

Totally understand Heeke wanting to distance himself from the FBI scandal completely. If anything, Arizona being the second school out of countless schools, to get in front of the revealed results will help in a variety of ways. It allows for a complete reboot of the program, which it needs given that we’ll have no recruits by the end of the day. It may be a good faith move for the NCAA to limit the magnitude of the sanctions. Plus, the current overall climate in the AD is one that no AD envies.

I think other schools get named after the tournament, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s more than 50% of the conference that engaged in this sort of recruiting tactic.

Here’s hoping Trier gets eligible so we can win and vacate.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Agreed if it's not Ayton, Schlabach should be fired. I would add, this isn't going to impact Ayton's draft status one bit, even if it was Ayton and he did take money, the NBA wouldn't care, but the current situation isn't going to hurt him at all. But it is unfair to the kid if in fact he didn't do anything wrong.

Doesn't matter about NBA Draft stock, you can't falsely accuse someone of at worst tax fraud and there be no consequences.

 

[Russ Smith]

Scheer said from what I gather he still thinks Miller is innocent but is being fired because the school is afraid more allegations will come out, unfounded, and bury recruiting even more. So the only way to start moving forward, is for Miller to go.

 

[Russ Smith]

Doesn't matter about NBA Draft stock, you can't falsely accuse someone of at worst tax fraud and there be no consequences.

I said he should be fired if he's wrong. It's certainly not the first time, remember the writer who said Anthony Davis got paid to go to Kentucky and named the amount? The difference is Schlabach said it's on an FBI wiretap, if that's not true, he needs to be fired. if it is true, nothing is going to happen to Ayton because he'll be in the NBA, be rich, and be allowed to just pay the taxes.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Scheer said from what I gather he still thinks Miller is innocent but is being fired because the school is afraid more allegations will come out, unfounded, and bury recruiting even more. So the only way to start moving forward, is for Miller to go.

I would imagine they're figuring out some sort of compensation to go their separate ways mutually.

 

[TJ]

God bless Heeke landing Sumlin.

 

[GatorAZ]

God bless Heeke landing Sumlin.

Sumlin and Crean. Could do a lot worse!

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Scheer said from what I gather he still thinks Miller is innocent but is being fired because the school is afraid more allegations will come out, unfounded, and bury recruiting even more. So the only way to start moving forward, is for Miller to go.

Pretty much. ESPN has now taken Ayton's name off the bottom line on their reporting.

But Miller is and likely was when the FBI knocked on his door last fall. Arguably a deserved fate regardless of what is or isn't true with the ESPN report. Book and Pitts combined are probably a firable offense to be honest. I'm still convinced they self-impose in a 2019 postseason ban and the future of the program is really determined on who they hire not taking into account of course how college basketball changes over the next 5-10 years.

 

[TJ]

Sumlin and Crean. Could do a lot worse!

I don't care for Crean, but the Arizona brand will take a hit, so I guess I'd take him as a guy who could walk us through the impending hell we're about to receive.

 

[TJ]

Looks like The Grim Reaper will be making a stop in Tucson today.

....to eat at Mi Nidito and hike Mt. Lemmon.

 

[clif]

I’d like to add something substantial to the discussion.

Some of y’all on that BUICE. B U I C E

Look it up on the urban dictionary.

All this woe is me, he said she said, 98 pages of proclamations about what WILL happen. People are dirty in all walks of life. I get paying kids. I get not paying kids. The world ain’t black or white. We all wear rose colored glasses from time to time. I’ve just learned to not come here or many others places spouting off about stuff I don’t fully understand or know.

You might know this, you might know that, but no one knows it ALL.

 

[SO91]

Pretty much. ESPN has now taken Ayton's name off the bottom line on their reporting.

But Miller is and likely was when the FBI knocked on his door last fall. Arguably a deserved fate regardless of what is or isn't true with the ESPN report. Book and Pitts combined are probably a firable offense to be honest. I'm still convinced they self-impose in a 2019 postseason ban and the future of the program is really determined on who they hire not taking into account of course how college basketball changes over the next 5-10 years.

Article hasn't changed (yet), but the bottom line went from Ayton to 5* recruit, with no public correction issued.

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