Moving up scenarios

[AzStevenCal]

I mentioned the Bledsoe comparison (but I didn't start it). I do think it holds up fairly well but there are some big differences. One, he isn't a Rich Paul client. Two, he hasn't had multiple knee surgeries. And three, he's still young enough to improve into a quality player. If he was the equal of early Bledoe as a defender, I think he'd be worth moving up for. I just disagree with giving up a lot of assets to get him.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The more research I do, the more I'm warming to SGA. I don't see him becoming a star (or at least I like Sexton's chances better), but the Suns don't really need a star; they need the right fit. SGA definitely seems to be the best fit on paper. I thought this video was pretty illuminating:

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Agreed. Shai likely will never be a star, but I see him being a very nice complimentary piece that can (a) keep defenses honest if they ignore him to contain booker, Ayton and JJ; and (b) use his length to become a very good defender/disruptor.

The idea of having a starting lineup of:

6’5 (Shai)
6’6 (Booker)
6’8 (JJ)
7’0 (Bender)
7’1 (Ayton)

Is so ridiculously tantalizing that I can’t even allow myself to wish for it yet.

That’s like an aggregate 9 inches excess over what I consider average size each position). And all of them athletic enough to move (none, even Bender, are just physical stiffs). With time that advantage should translate to at least a competent, if not very good, defensive team.

 

[pokerface]

Agreed. Shai likely will never be a star, but I see him being a very nice complimentary piece that can (a) keep defenses honest if they ignore him to contain booker, Ayton and JJ; and (b) use his length to become a very good defender/disruptor.

The idea of having a starting lineup of:

6’5 (Shai)
6’6 (Booker)
6’8 (JJ)
7’0 (Bender)
7’1 (Ayton)

Is so ridiculously tantalizing that I can’t even allow myself to wish for it yet.

That’s like an aggregate 9 inches excess over what I consider average size each position). And all of them athletic enough to move (none, even Bender, are just physical stiffs). With time that advantage should translate to at least a competent, if not very good, defensive team.

I agree with all that. Plus I like the idea of having Shai guarding the sg's and let Booker cover the pg's. Or basicly let Shai have the harder assignment.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I mentioned the Bledsoe comparison (but I didn't start it). I do think it holds up fairly well but there are some big differences. One, he isn't a Rich Paul client. Two, he hasn't had multiple knee surgeries. And three, he's still young enough to improve into a quality player. If he was the equal of early Bledoe as a defender, I think he'd be worth moving up for. I just disagree with giving up a lot of assets to get him.

Yeah. I agree with this. Sometimes even legit comparisons can sour opinions when they shouldn’t.

 

[Errntknght]

Do you guys realize we are reaching unheard of levels of agreement here? I reacted like Ouchie when I heard the Bledso comparison for Sexton. I didn't land on SGA, Raze convinced me that Shamet was good fit for us but I like SGA equally well at 16.

I'd be happy if we picked another PG at 31. I love Jevon Carter's ability to smother his opponent - he probably isn't great full time but having a disruptor waiting on the bench gives me a feeling of comfort. I always wanted us to put Bled in that role - especially after he proved he didn't have the energy to defend like he'd done for the Clips when he was a starter.

From last year the only two PGs I have any interest in seeing on the floor are Shaq Harrison and Isaiah Caanan - and the latter only if he's made very close to a full recovery. The others have convinced me they are not positive contributors and I hope Igor doesn't waste too much time and effort trying to rehabilitate one of them - or two!

 

[jlove]

IMHO I think the Suns are doing there due diligence with Top 5-8 players for a potential move up from 16. Still believe Suns mgmt is picking Ayton #1. They would be idiotic not to. I'd love to keep TJ, I love his growth, but in order to move to 2-8, I think he'd be required to move up. If we can get #2, then obviously go Doncic. With a move up to 3-8, I would love to grab Bagley or Bamba. Twin towers time either way. Would be nice to have both Valley products together here (Ayton and Bagley). 5-8 if none of the 3 mentioned are available, then I'd go with Trae or SGA.

It's all conjecture at this point, but I think a 2nd pick in Top 8 is gonna happen for the Suns.

 

[devilalum]

Agreed. Shai likely will never be a star, but I see him being a very nice complimentary piece that can (a) keep defenses honest if they ignore him to contain booker, Ayton and JJ; and (b) use his length to become a very good defender/disruptor.

The idea of having a starting lineup of:

6’5 (Shai)
6’6 (Booker)
6’8 (JJ)
7’0 (Bender)
7’1 (Ayton)

Is so ridiculously tantalizing that I can’t even allow myself to wish for it yet.

That’s like an aggregate 9 inches excess over what I consider average size each position). And all of them athletic enough to move (none, even Bender, are just physical stiffs). With time that advantage should translate to at least a competent, if not very good, defensive team.

Repressed Catholic much?

 

[pokerface]

So you guys reading suns might be targeting Trae Young ?

 

[Mainstreet]

So you guys reading suns might be targeting Trae Young ?

I think the Suns would like to move into the top 10 picks if they see a player there they like. As I see it, a player they like would have to slide to a team that is willing to do a deal.

Here is the tweet that got it rolling in regard to Trae Young. The Suns could have other targets as well. IMO, exploring trade up scenarios is part of the draft process. Sure I think the Suns like Trae Young. Right now he is only planning to work out for four teams. The Suns are not one of them.

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Repressed Catholic much?

Ha, Jewish. Close enough.

 

[Carolinacacti]

I'd trade down for Mo Bamba, too, along with Doncic

Your scaring me into thinking the Suns might trade Ayton for Bamba and Domcic in a three team trade during the draft.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Your scaring me into thinking the Suns might trade Ayton for Bamba and Domcic in a three team trade during the draft.

Make it a trade for Young and Bamba and maybe I'm there.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Make it a trade for Young and Bamba and maybe I'm there.

If we were convinced that Bamba and Ayton are pretty much equal. Maybe. I just am not there.

 

[AzStevenCal]

If we were convinced that Bamba and Ayton are pretty much equal. Maybe. I just am not there.

I actually think Bamba has the higher ceiling but unlike Bamba, Ayton's floor is almost bust-proof. Young tips the scales for me, I still believe he'll be a big-time star.

 

[pokerface]

I actually think Bamba has the higher ceiling but unlike Bamba, Ayton's floor is almost bust-proof. Young tips the scales for me, I still believe he'll be a big-time star.

I dunno if we need Young's scoring. His assists are off the charts though but his defense would be lacking.

I'd rather we get SGA. His shooting and assists are 'good enough' while his size and defense are much a better fit than having Young .

 

[AzStevenCal]

I dunno if we need Young's scoring. His assists are off the charts though but his defense would be lacking.

I'd rather we get SGA. His shooting and assists are 'good enough' while his size and defense are much a better fit than having Young .

We were outscored 63 times last season, we definitely need scoring from somewhere. And remember, we were the worst offensive team in the league this past year. Maybe SGA is the better choice (and I highly doubt it) but it's not because we don't need Young's scoring.

 

[GatorAZ]

Would’ve been doable had the Bucks pick conveyed.

 

[pokerface]

We were outscored 63 times last season, we definitely need scoring from somewhere. And remember, we were the worst offensive team in the league this past year. Maybe SGA is the better choice (and I highly doubt it) but it's not because we don't need Young's scoring.

Yeah well we are adding Ayton now probably. Not only do we get his scoring but his boards as well...which will add more points. And we have Booker! Plus our team had injuries last season.

 

[SirStefan32]

I just hope they don't try to get cute with three team trades involving #1. You got the first pick, take the best player, that's it. Pursue other options with other assets, but for the love of God and all that is holy, please don't get cute with #1.

 

[Folster]

I think trading up will be tough with the Clips able to offer 12 and 13.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I just hope they don't try to get cute with three team trades involving #1. You got the first pick, take the best player, that's it. Pursue other options with other assets, but for the love of God and all that is holy, please don't get cute with #1.

I second for the love of God! This is just a no-brainer. If the guy we love is there, for cripes sake... take him.

 

[pokerface]

I second for the love of God! This is just a no-brainer. If the guy we love is there, for cripes sake... take him.

That's too easy Cheese...wayyyy too easy. We need to overthink this. There has to be a way to mess this up.

 

[pokerface]

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/...-young-before-draft-trade-up-nba-ayton-booker


Im really really digging this article....really


When they show everything we can throw at a deal tradewise and potential lineups...I like.

 

[Hoop Head]

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/...-young-before-draft-trade-up-nba-ayton-booker


Im really really digging this article....really


When they show everything we can throw at a deal tradewise and potential lineups...I like.

That doesn't really show much though. Yes, it lists our assets but it doesn't list them in a way that displays their value. Sure, it'd be great to add Trae Young and I'm sure it would cost us the picks we have in the future, like the Bucks and Heat picks, but this doesn't say who is looking to deal or what they're after. Anyone can list what they think our team will look like next year. I can list them too....

PG - Knight, Young, Canaan
SG - Booker, Daniels, Reed
SF - Jackson, Warren
PF - Favors, Chriss, Dudley
C - Ayton, Chandler, Bender

I don't need to say how we'll get that lineup, they didn't. I should add Lebron in there but I didn't want to go overboard. Got to leave some players for other teams.

 

[pokerface]

That doesn't really show much though. Yes, it lists our assets but it doesn't list them in a way that displays their value. Sure, it'd be great to add Trae Young and I'm sure it would cost us the picks we have in the future, like the Bucks and Heat picks, but this doesn't say who is looking to deal or what they're after. Anyone can list what they think our team will look like next year. I can list them too....

PG - Knight, Young, Canaan
SG - Booker, Daniels, Reed
SF - Jackson, Warren
PF - Favors, Chriss, Dudley
C - Ayton, Chandler, Bender

I don't need to say how we'll get that lineup, they didn't. I should add Lebron in there but I didn't want to go overboard. Got to leave some players for other teams.

Well we own all our own picks. Id prefer they get next year's suns pick with Mil and the #16 & 31. That might get us in range of Young. We don't need to use picks in the near future but Id prefer we keep the Miami pick for distant future. Plus maybe we take some salary back too or move Chriss?