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The hornets depth was the big criticism this year by NBA scouts, I guess you dont share their interpretations. To compare the supporting players as equals is just silly, but go ahead.

Depth and starters are two BIG differences. The Lakers bench is one of the, if not the, best in the game. NO's depth is not so good, but their starters are nails.

If we had Bynum healthy to go along with Pau, there would be an argument to be made that Kobe's team (starters) are better. But we've not had the team we could, due to injuries.

We have one guy on the team other than Kobe that has been to an all-star game, and he did it one time. That's Pau, who we've had for less than half a season, and who missed 9 games himself.
 

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The only thing legit about that series was. . . . . NOTHING

You tell me how he can get 25 and 22 FT's in two seperate games, plus another 16 in another, when Dirk was getting smashed on every drive to the hoop and can't even sniff the line.

I know it's part of your spiel here on the Suns board to be diplomatic and humble, but we get royally screwed in the Finals and everyone who will open their eyes knows it. Ask McGrady, Phil Jackson, Bill Simmons, or countless other media types and players who stated as much.

The only reason you don't hear about it now is b/c it would get a little old for the media to keep bringing it up.
and the crybabies are still out and about at this hour in BIG D? the mavs lost period. I think the most disappointing thing was the stack suspension. shaq gets a soft foul on him by his standards and stack gets suspended for a game? that was BS. wade also ended game 5 with free throws on a phantom call. I won't deny those things. but the mavs should have been good enough to overcome those things. they had a 13 point lead in the 4th qtr of game 3.....and wade caught fire from the perimeter from there on. the mavs should of won despite that if they were clearly better.
 

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HORNETS
Tyson Chandler: missed 3 games
Chris Paul: missed 2 games
Peja Stojakovic: missed 5 games
David West:missed 6 games
Morris Peterson: missed 6 games

LAKERS
Kobe: played all season
Fisher: played all season
Radmanovic: missed 17 games
Odom: missed 5 games
*Bynum:missed 47 games
*Gasol: played 27 games but not sure how many games missed due to injury

I will say that the Lakers had had more changes in the line ups but there heart and soul (Kobe & Fisher) were there all year. Odom missed 5 games while Radman missed 17 games which i think should be on the bench instead of Luke Walton.
*Turiaf: missed 4 games , started 21
*Kwame Brown: started 14 games & played in 27 games

All of the starting 5 Hornets players have missed an average of 4 games. Not sure how you look at it but I thought it would paint a better picture of the injuries on both teams. Its hard to consider Kwame was a starter at one time.

The Lakers starting 5 was changing so constantly that even us Lakers fans don't know what the real starting 5 is. As for the Hornets, you can easily name all 5 within 8 seconds. For the Lakers its like...Kobe, Fisher, Odom...umm Gasol...umm wait Kwame...no no Turiaf...wait Walton...no no Radmanovich...its bynum...umm..i give up.
 

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The Lakers starting 5 was changing so constantly that even us Lakers fans don't know what the real starting 5 is. As for the Hornets, you can easily name all 5 within 8 seconds. For the Lakers its like...Kobe, Fisher, Odom...umm Gasol...umm wait Kwame...no no Turiaf...wait Walton...no no Radmanovich...its bynum...umm..i give up.
Correct but I am not a fan and i know who started (for the most part) and I know all the different line-ups were not due to injury...it was Phil who changed the line up for match up reasons. Those don't count.
 

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I don't think you can look at it that way. Gasol didn't come to the team till after the Bynum was lost. They did have a little stretch without a decent center but that was only 8 games if I am not mistaken. Gasol came in as a substitution if you will.
That would be like only losing Chandler. West comes closest to Odom but even Odom can do more with the ball than West.
are you kidding me?? Odom is not half the player west is.... with or without the ball doesn't really matter when you have a guy that has never been consistent in his career. West is an all star and rightfully so. I'd say if paul lost west and/or chandler it would affect him. we already know kobe is affected when gasol or bynum or neither are there. odom doesn't really help kobe that's already been proven hasn't it? he's a good third or fourth guy though.
 

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Kobe is a good player, but unfortunately for him, someone else always stands out and has a better season. Whether it be Nash, Shaq, Kobe, Nowitzki, etc. The ONLY reason Kobe is winning it this year is that he has not won it yet. The award is completely subjective, which makes it absurd. Take last season for example. Steve Nash had a much better season than Nowitzki, but a majority of the people who vote for the award were interviewed and when asked why they didnt vote for Nash, the reason given was that "we just feel that Nash shouldn't be shown in the same light as Michael Jordan and Larry Bird."

As for this year, you can make an argument for two players winning the award before Kobe: CP3 and LeBron. Both had much better, more well-rounded seasons and were completely snubbed. A lot of it was marketing too. Had CP3 or LeBron been in L.A., they would be unanimously chosen. And speaking of childish, who was the whiny bitch who kept complaining about his teammates and wanting to leave LA?

And BTW, while I do respect you on the Cards board, you gotta understand you are in hostile territory when you are a Laker fan entering the Suns board. We do not like the Lakers. We do not like Kobe. And passionate fans, such as myself, will use any tactics to insult the competition, and vice-versa. Get used to it. Its called a "rivalry." I lived in enemy territory (Los Angeles) for three years before moving back to Phoenix, and got the rough treatment I deserved for being a Suns fan. As a matter of fact, I almost threw down with a Laker fan in Staples center when they were playing the Suns. Bottom line: if you cant take the heat, get out of the kitchen!!!
just goes to show why the award is so subjective. nash didn't have a much better season than dirk did....that is an opinion of a suns fan. did nash prior awards affect him? yes....did his playoff letdown vs. dirk without his co-mvp amare the previous season have an affect?.....yes should it be that way? no it shouldn't. the voting isn't always about the present. much of it has to do with the past.....like this year you keep hearing people say that kobe has been the best player for years when in reality that isn't necessarily true. and even if it was..what does it have to do with this season when another player like paul was probably better overall?
 
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imo...the race between Kobe an dPaul was so close that it came down to the last game they played together (the last week of the regular season) and also end of season record. Fortunatly, KB24 won both of those. I'm positive if the Nooch were to have #1 seed, Cp3 would be the MVP right now.

Its that close...thats why people are arguing about it. Could have went either way.
 

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imo...the race between Kobe an dPaul was so close that it came down to the last game they played together (the last week of the regular season) and also end of season record. Fortunatly, KB24 won both of those. I'm positive if the Nooch were to have #1 seed, Cp3 would be the MVP right now.

Its that close...thats why people are arguing about it. Could have went either way.
Yup, good post!
 

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Player, Team 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Total Points
Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 82 32 11 2 - 1105
Chris Paul, New Orleans 28 64 31 2 - 889
Kevin Garnett, Boston 15 23 56 26 1 670
LeBron James, Cleveland 1 7 28 77 8 438
Dwight Howard, Orlando - - - 7 39 60
Amaré Stoudemire, Phoenix - - - 3 18 27
Tim Duncan, San Antonio - - - 2 19 25
Tracy McGrady, Houston - - - 2 13 19
Steve Nash, Phoenix - - - 4 6 18
Manu Ginobili, San Antonio - - - - 9 9
Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas - - - - 5 5
Deron Williams, Utah - - - - 4 4
Carmelo Anthony, Denver - - - 1 - 3
Paul Pierce, Boston - - - - 1 1
Rasheed Wallace, Detroit - - - - 1 1
Carlos Boozer, Utah - - - - 1 1
Antawn Jamison, Washington - - - - 1 1
 

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Player, Team 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Total Points
Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 82 32 11 2 - 1105
Chris Paul, New Orleans 28 64 31 2 - 889
Kevin Garnett, Boston 15 23 56 26 1 670
LeBron James, Cleveland 1 7 28 77 8 438
Dwight Howard, Orlando - - - 7 39 60
Amaré Stoudemire, Phoenix - - - 3 18 27
Tim Duncan, San Antonio - - - 2 19 25
Tracy McGrady, Houston - - - 2 13 19
Steve Nash, Phoenix - - - 4 6 18
Manu Ginobili, San Antonio - - - - 9 9
Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas - - - - 5 5
Deron Williams, Utah - - - - 4 4
Carmelo Anthony, Denver - - - 1 - 3
Paul Pierce, Boston - - - - 1 1
Rasheed Wallace, Detroit - - - - 1 1
Carlos Boozer, Utah - - - - 1 1
Antawn Jamison, Washington - - - - 1 1

Wow! 82 first place votes for Kobe to 28 for Paul? Wasn't near as close as I though it would be.

Congratulations to Kobe!

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HORNETS
Tyson Chandler: missed 3 games
Chris Paul: missed 2 games
Peja Stojakovic: missed 5 games
David West:missed 6 games
Morris Peterson: missed 6 games

LAKERS
Kobe: played all season
Fisher: played all season
Radmanovic: missed 17 games
Odom: missed 5 games
*Bynum:missed 47 games
*Gasol: played 27 games but not sure how many games missed due to injury

Regardless of injuries and swapping of players in and out. Let's just say nobody was hurt. To imply the Hornets team is that much weaker than the Lakers is silly. Chandler vs Gasol. Toss up in my opinion. West vs odom. If NO wants to make a swap one for one.... I'm all for it!!!! Radman vs Peja. Im all in for that swap too!!!! so the lakers win the SG position hands down with Kobe over Peterson. No arguments. The Hornets win hands down with CP3 over fish. Dont think anyone can argue that as well.

Gasol = Chandler (different skill sets that compliment their respective teams accordingly)
West > Odom
Peja > Rad
Kobe >>> Perterson
CP3 >>> Fish
 

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As much as I dislike Kobe - the person, he is an amazing player. This year he deserved it.
 

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Let me guess, those very same voters weren't such idiots the 2 years Nash was voted in were they? :bang:

those same idiots should have made him 3 years in a row..

something your beloved kobe doesn't have a chance in hell of ever accomplishing..
 

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ill stick around this is a suns forum not a lakers forum
 

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I don't know how Stoudemire got votes. I probably would not have even put him on third team All-NBA (maybe with the center position loophole). I prob would have gone CP3, KB, Lebron, Garnett, Duncan.
 

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