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You should turn the stuff in that you confiscate.
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You should turn the stuff in that you confiscate.
TCU's D would have suffocated those two teams. TCU = true Champs!
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Until they fix it play off style...
You gotta be puffin something better than my stash. TCU would have lost to either one of these defenses. I laugh again, TCU is good, but they aint that good.
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I think Newton is a better QB than he showed tonight, but I definitely wouldn't take him at #5. He's too inconsistent, he looks rushed in the pocket too often and he throws off his back foot entirely too much. There's just too much risk involved for a payoff that likely won't happen for a couple years, if at all. It's bad luck that we have a top 5 pick in a draft with a questionable QB class, but that appears to be the case. Reaching for one would probably end up hurting us in the long term.
Zeno
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I think private workouts and interviews will go a long way to determining where Newton is taken. Who knows he may "Wow" the coaching staff here and then convince them he isn't as long term a project as I thnk he is.
Redrage
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AT this point if a team takes Newton high then they care more about putting butts in the stands as opposed to winning games.
Newton is at best a second round pick. He needs so much work, his mechanics are poor, his footwork is horrible, he only see half of the field, only sees his first read and then runs, is not very accurate, etc., etc., etc.
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Cam Newton strikes me (at this point) as a bigger, faster Terrell Pryor, or even a Tyrod Taylor
a little Vince Young-ish.
He would be well served by staying in school and working on his passing mechanics -- and showing that next year.
If he shows improvement in passing, it will be enough for a NFL team to fall in love with everything else and take him high.
Right now -- the question every NFL team is asking themselves: what do we have if his mechanics / reads don't get any better. The answer to that is: not a NFL QB.
a little Vince Young-ish.
He would be well served by staying in school and working on his passing mechanics -- and showing that next year.
If he shows improvement in passing, it will be enough for a NFL team to fall in love with everything else and take him high.
Right now -- the question every NFL team is asking themselves: what do we have if his mechanics / reads don't get any better. The answer to that is: not a NFL QB.
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I'm off the Newton bandwagon.
He wasn't as smooth as I hoped he would be, a little too herky jerky.
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McNabb's senior year stats:
As a senior, he completed 157 of 251 passes (62.5%) for 2,134 yards; His 22 touchdown passes tied the school's single season record, set by former Eagle Don McPherson in 1987. McNabb also rushed 135 times for 438 yards and 8 touchdowns. He ranked sixth in the nation with a 158.9 passing efficiency rating and 22nd in total offense, with 233.8 yards per game.
Tough to compare stats between McNabb's offense and Newton/Auburn--
McNabb was much more of a passer than a runner.
Newton is a passer -- he had 315 attempts this year (3100 yds), but also ran much, much more than McNabb ever did-- 286 rushing attempts and 1500 yards.
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He won the game, won the Heisman, went undefeated--so credit where it is due. This game didn't make his case the way the Orange Bowl made Andrew Luck's, though. As noted by the announcers, his most dangerous play is third-and-short. In the NFL you don't get to third-and-short as you do in the NCAA, and once you're there, you don't walk it across the way he does. Before the game they mentioned the speed of Oregon's D versus the size and strength of Auburn's: average NFL defenses have both.
Not piling on: you use the strategy that will win you football games, and he won them all. But I don't think he made himself the first QB taken in the draft with this performance.
Not piling on: you use the strategy that will win you football games, and he won them all. But I don't think he made himself the first QB taken in the draft with this performance.
Did McNabb play all four years? I see that as a major difference as well.
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I was watching him as closely as you could with the camera shots and there was 4-5 plays in the whole game where he looked past the first option on a pass play downfield. If the first guy was open he threw it, if he wasn't open he'd check down underneath. I saw multiple times where the non first option WR was running back to the huddle waving his hands like I was open.
He's a great college player and maybe he can learn what he needs to, he certainly has the arm, but I doubt it. Oregon was so close on that other INT which frankly I still think they made the wrong call on. Most of Newton's completions were to wide open players because Oregon was so concerned with Newton running the middle of the field was wide open. I don't know that NFL teams will have that issue.
Also, he doesn't protect the ball at all, that one play he tried to throw the ball as the DL had his hand on Newton's throwing arm, really lucky he didn't fumble there.
I wouldn't touch him in the first round there's just too much he has to learn.
Reddog
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He may go 1st round but seems better fit for R2. He wont go back to school - why risk the further violations scrutiny founded or unfounded? He also can work on those mechanics at the next level and probably believes he is better than he is. He looked very average against an NCAA defense last night. His run game will not be what it was in college at the next level against the speed of the NFL so he better figure out the reads and mechanics.
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I am still on the Camwagon; what I saw last night was a QB that was not as sharp as usual and I fully believe that is from the near 1 month lay-off. The throws he missed were barely missed. He had two throws last night that should've been touchdowns the one wide open down the middle of the field and his overaiming, short-arm throw to the FB that should've been caught anyway.
I would have zero hesitation to take him @#5.
I would have zero hesitation to take him @#5.
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I will. TCU barely beat Wisconsin, the champs of the worst, most overrated conference this side of the Big East. Maybe TCU will play an SEC team in a bowl game in a couple of years...
... and get smoked by them. Auburn was clearly the best team in FBS this year. There's no question about it. But this is like arguing that Auburn should've been co-champs with USC in 2004.
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in the Kolb thread, I noted that Jurecki had Vito Stellino on. Stellino is a Philly radio guy and the Eagles sideline reporter.
Amongst other things, they talked Cam Newton. Stellino said that he has talked to a couple NFL front office people who scout ( gosh -- I wonder which team??) and their opinion is that Newton is not a first round draft pick at this point. Way too raw, and serious questions on if he can succeed in the NFL.
Amongst other things, they talked Cam Newton. Stellino said that he has talked to a couple NFL front office people who scout ( gosh -- I wonder which team??) and their opinion is that Newton is not a first round draft pick at this point. Way too raw, and serious questions on if he can succeed in the NFL.
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FWIW, the only people who booed McNabb were the idiotic Philly fans.
Donald booed.
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I think he said Boo-Urns...
Moooovers.
Billy Flynt
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Cam Newton is way too raw. He needs to go back to school. We don't do well developing raw players. Good lord I hope that if he comes out we don't select him. Bad footwork, poor accuracy, etc. He had a easy dump off to the receiver crossing to keep the ball in the 4th w/ about 5 min left and missed it horribly. He also horribly missed a flanker screen. I don't recall him fitting the ball in to any receivers... most completions were to receivers with nobody within 5 yrds. He has Anderson like accuracy. He didn't do anything last night to change my opinion of him. 3rd rounder at best... Go back to Auburn!
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I am still mobbin Newton style. Infact I just bought some rims to go on the Camwagon.
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