Noah to work out for Suns

[Chaplin]

Didn't he already shoot down Boston as a possible trading destination? Damn opt out clause!

His agent did.

 

[Rab]

If I had the choice to keep Marion, or trade him away in a package to get Noah, I keep Marion. I certainly don't want Amare gone either, even for KG.

I can't stand the fact that the Suns like Noah so much. Bust is the first word that comes to mind when I think of him in a Suns uniform. Please don't make an effort to grab him.

BLAHHHH

 

[Mainstreet]

I can't stand the fact that the Suns like Noah so much. Bust is the first word that comes to mind when I think of him in a Suns uniform. Please don't make an effort to grab him.

I'm strictly trusting the Suns on this one. I think the Suns have researched Noah for the last two years if not before.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

If I had the choice to keep Marion, or trade him away in a package to get Noah, I keep Marion. I certainly don't want Amare gone either, even for KG.

I can't stand the fact that the Suns like Noah so much. Bust is the first word that comes to mind when I think of him in a Suns uniform. Please don't make an effort to grab him.

BLAHHHH

I think that Noah is the one of the surest things in the draft outside of Oden and Durant. You know what you're getting. He's got a great attitude, a winner, can play defense, can run, and can crash the boards. Kind of like a souped up Anderson Varejao.

 

[Rab]

I'm strictly trusting the Suns on this one. I think the Suns have researched Noah for the last two years if not before.

I just think he got way too much hype because of how he played in the tourney 2 years ago. I don't see him being worthy of a pick that high. He might have a decent career in the NBA, but I sure as hell hope the Suns wouldn't want him that high in the draft.

I would like to trust the Suns on this one, but I just don't. If he were to prove me wrong, I would have no problem admitting I was dumb for questioning this, but I really want nothing to do with Joakim Noah...nothing.

 

[azirish]

Noah gets some hype, but he's hardly built his reputation in a few games like O'Bryant. What gets people's attention is that he plays hard all the time, is very long with excellent shot blocking and rebounding skills. He's well above average for a big man at passing and defending the perimeter.

Nobody seems to doubt any of that. The main knocks on him is that he's skinny (can get pushed around in the post) and lacks a consistent jump shot needed to play the wing.

This means that he's not suited to play for slow down teams or ones that need a lot of scoring. Some scouts absolutely hate him because he's not a good fit for most teams. The result is that he could go very early or drop a lot. My guess is that the Suns are looking at him based on the second scenerio.

 

[Folster]

Maybe we have a deal in place with Atlanta where we give them their pick back and slip into the #11 if their targeted player is off the board and Noah falls. I don't think Atlanta really wants to add two more rookies. Having there 08 pick back will give them flexibility to trade for veterans in the future.



Bringing in Noah for a workout is strange and makes me wonder what is up.

 

[azirish]

Maybe we have a deal in place with Atlanta where we give them their pick back and slip into the #11 if their targeted player is off the board and Noah falls. I don't think Atlanta really wants to add two more rookies. Having there 08 pick back will give them flexibility to trade for veterans in the future.



Bringing in Noah for a workout is strange and makes me wonder what is up.

I made a similar point earlier.

If the Hawks break down and take Conley with the third pick (they might trade down a few slots due to the huge demand for Horford), then they might decide they don't want another wing at #11 and that Noah doesn't fit their needs. BTW, if they take Horford at #3, they are likely to trade to the Blazers in a deal that gets Jack or take someone like Law or Crittenton though I'm sold on either.

For the Suns, trading next year's Hawk pick for Noah at least avoids the risk that the Hawks end up in playoffs and the pick is very late. It all depends on whether they think he can help.

 

[panfolk]

I cannot, for the life of me, find a trade that swaps KG for Amare in which we get what I perceive to be fair value due to the $10M salary difference. We'd have to start with at least Amare/Thomas or Amare/Diaw and I woudl DEMAND that they take Banks back, but other than Smith, the PF, I don't see anyone on their roster that helps get to value even if they threw in #7 and we kept our picks....

Bring in the Cookie Monster! I'd want him on the Suns.

 

[cly2tw]

I made a similar point earlier.

If the Hawks break down and take Conley with the third pick (they might trade down a few slots due to the huge demand for Horford), then they might decide they don't want another wing at #11 and that Noah doesn't fit their needs. BTW, if they take Horford at #3, they are likely to trade to the Blazers in a deal that gets Jack or take someone like Law or Crittenton though I'm sold on either.

For the Suns, trading next year's Hawk pick for Noah at least avoids the risk that the Hawks end up in playoffs and the pick is very late. It all depends on whether they think he can help.

That risk is extremely low if they don't get Conley, and still quite low if they do. The problem with those perennial lottery teams with only rookie contracts is that they have to behave selfishly looking for their own stats to get a good contract. Once they got it, they don't have much incentive to work in only losing efforts. We'll see what happens.

 

[Muggum]

The weird thing about Noah is... who knows if we'd even get him at 7? There are no guarantees. You'd hate to trade up for a pick because you're coveting a player and then have that player off the board by the time you draft!

I'm not a Noah guy either. Someone compared him to Mark Madsen. Ugh.

 

[SunsTzu]

The weird thing about Noah is... who knows if we'd even get him at 7? There are no guarantees. You'd hate to trade up for a pick because you're coveting a player and then have that player off the board by the time you draft!

I'm not a Noah guy either. Someone compared him to Mark Madsen. Ugh.

Which is why you don't consemate a draft trade until you see how the board gets filled. Hopefully the Suns learned that after the '04 draft.

And Noah gets a lot of naysayers but you can't take anyone who compares his playing ability to Madsen's as serious.

 

[azirish]

Which is why you don't consemate a draft trade until you see how the board gets filled. Hopefully the Suns learned that after the '04 draft.

And Noah gets a lot of naysayers but you can't take anyone who compares his playing ability to Madsen's as seriously.

I think Noah could be a contributor. I did not think he was worth an early lottery pick (which is what was being discussed before it was lost), but the tendency to trash him is an overstatement the other direction.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Some scouts absolutely hate him because he's not a good fit for most teams. The result is that he could go very early or drop a lot. My guess is that the Suns are looking at him based on the second scenerio.

some scouts HATE him? You posted ONE article where ONE scout said he would drop and somehow, in that thread, you elongated scout to scoutS.

The likelihood of him actually dropping A LOT is akin to the likelihood of Hibbert being drafted above Horford - in other words... NONE. The kid is going top 11 - AT WORST.

You are really wrong about Noah George.

 

[SunsTzu]

The kid is going top 11 - AT WORST.

I really doubt he lasts past 9.

 

[azirish]

Almost every mock has him going top 10, but there are recurring problems with some of the slotting. I simply don't see Noah as being a fit for teams with other good options available.

5. Boston - Seems very unlikely since Noah is not physical enough and the Celtics don't run much

6. Milwaukee - Biggest needs are at SF and PG, not a PF with limited offensive skills

7. Minnesota - Maybe, but other needs seem a lot more pressing.

8. Charlotte - They have a guy named Okafor and still imagine Sean May can play.

9. Chicago - Do the Bulls actually need another defense oriented inside guy with no shooting skills?

10 Sacramento - Probably the first team that looks like a real fit as a replacement for Brad Miller, except Miller can shoot.

 

[sunsfn]

The weird thing about Noah is... who knows if we'd even get him at 7? There are no guarantees. You'd hate to trade up for a pick because you're coveting a player and then have that player off the board by the time you draft!

I'm not a Noah guy either. Someone compared him to Mark Madsen. Ugh.

If the suns end up with #7 and Noah is there they will take him. If he is not there they are still happy and will take someone else. After the 1-3, the 4-10, and maybe 4-12 are all players that can help a team.

 

[Gaddabout]

Speculation among the press that Suns have been looking for a possible third party in deal with Boston, and Boston may be helping. FYI Boston does not want the pick, and they don't want to lose Pierce. It's speculation, but Sacramento could be involved somehow.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Speculation among the press that Suns have been looking for a possible third party in deal with Boston, and Boston may be helping. FYI Boston does not want the pick, and they don't want to lose Pierce. It's speculation, but Sacramento could be involved somehow.

Link?

Marion for Artest and 10 would be great.

 

[sunsfn]

Link?

Marion for Artest and 10 would be great.

I know you like Artest and he is a decent player, but the suns are not going to trade for him ever. He just causes to many problems.

P.S. you are asking for a link from a sports writer who has access to people in Phx. and Sac.?

 

[Gaddabout]

Link?

Marion for Artest and 10 would be great.

No link. Just a lot of e-mails between my friends in the media in this region. Wish I knew people in Boston. The folks Cali have been asking me if I've heard anything ... kind of depressing to think they know less than I do. They have a very skewed perspective on the Suns. The impression is Amare is somehow pushing for a trade. *groan* I edumacated them.

Sacramento was sort of a homer guess from a reporter in Sac, but he's convinced the Kings are ready to wheel and deal with their coach in place. Bibby and Miller could be gone, but they're more likely to be loyal to whatever Bibby wants. If Artest is involved (and he's surely the first guy they want to shed), I think he would be going to Boston with Marion going to Sac. That would be the purpose of involving a third-part for the Suns.

 

[sunsfn]

Gaddabout,

Have you heard anything about the suns getting Pau Gasol from Memphis?

My very tight lipped insider friend (two days ago) says that there are a lot of different things happening with the suns as far as moving up in the draft, and making trades. He then said the suns are probably not going to get KG, but a chance for Gasol.

 

[Errntknght]

chessebeef,

hell, we could also off Banks

I wonder if this is what is called a Freudian slip?

 

[HooverDam]

The more I think about it, the more I like (if the Suns "have" to move Marion/get in the top 10)

Gerald Wallace
Brevin Knight
Walter Herrmann
#8

for

Shawn Marion
Marcus Banks
and maybe some picks if needed.

This gives the Suns a SF to replace Marion. It gives them an upgrade to James Jones (Herrmann), or at least more depth. A back up PG for a year (Knight) and if they draft a PG (Kopponen), he can come in after that. They can use 8 on Noah or some other big and give them depth behind Kt/Amare/Diaw.

Amare/KT
Diaw/Noah
Wallace/Herrmann/Jones/Grant Hill?
Bell/Barbosa/Belenelli?
Nash/Knight/Koponnen?

The Suns are DEEP with that roster, especially on the wings, Wallace can probably play some 2 guard as well if the Suns wanted to do a bigger lineup. That team can win now, as well as down the road. As much as I love Marion, I think I may pull the trigger on that one. I also think its one of the few trades we've talked about thats fairly realistic.

 

[Gaddabout]

Have you heard anything about the suns getting Pau Gasol from Memphis?

I really haven't heard anything recently unless it involves Garnett or Amare. The idle chatter is starting to drive me a bit nutty. If you think this forum is active, you should see my inbox. Even the LA crew seem to have forgotten about Kobe this morning.

The only thing I've heard or read about Gasol in the last six months was some deal that was left on the table with Boston. Like, it could be a fall back for Ainge if he wants it, but some part of the trade made him pass.