Off Season Consideration

[Praxis]

You are comparing apples to oranges. Of course Euro League is not the NBA. For the purposes of the draft, it should be compared to the college basketball.

But but but...it's a professional league! Doncic is playing against grown men!!!!

 

[AzStevenCal]

But but but...it's a professional league! Doncic is playing against grown men!!!!

Yes it is but it's not the NBA and no one is suggesting otherwise. But just imagine how much better NCAA teams would be if they played together for 6 years? I don't follow international ball so I have no idea if the claims are true about it being the 2nd best pro basketball league but I have do problem accepting that it's at least comparable to major college basketball.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

. Until the draft camps and pro days roll around, there is very little in person NBA scouting done on these guys, .
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I don’t know what to tell you, this statement just isn’t true anymore.

 

[Hoop Head]

You see him covering Westbrook, LOL with his knock being lack of speed and athleticism?or Curry, Just because you dribble the ball and can make passes doesnt make you an NBA 1, hes a point Forward

Who can guard Westbrook or Curry? The elite PG's are unguardable. You can try to slow them down but they'll get theirs. It's the 2nd tier of PG's like Dragic, Bledsoe, Kemba Walker, etc that you want to see them get slowed down by your own PG. I'm not sure if Doncic can do that but we'll see.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Who can guard Westbrook or Curry? The elite PG's are unguardable. You can try to slow them down but they'll get theirs. It's the 2nd tier of PG's like Dragic, Bledsoe, Kemba Walker, etc that you want to see them get slowed down by your own PG. I'm not sure if Doncic can do that but we'll see.

I was being sarcastic, Doncic will run some point but will operate as a point foreward.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

So said people about chriss. You have to be careful not to salivate too much over just potential.

Chris's lacked a game, hes report was just he is very raw and could be a Marion clone. We didnt know what skills he had to translation and now we are seeing why. Shot Blocking, Rebounding and stretch 4s can translate well

 

[Phrazbit]

Chris's lacked a game, hes report was just he is very raw and could be a Marion clone. We didnt know what skills he had to translation and now we are seeing why. Shot Blocking, Rebounding and stretch 4s can translate well

Motor/energy gets overlooked far too often. Chriss was never ever going to be like Marion. Marion was in constant motion and flew up and down on both ends, filling the stat sheet mostly because of effort and energy rather than amazing skill. It's why I have no hope for Len and little hope for Chriss and Bender at this point. Their effort is extremely inconsistent. It's also why I was never worried about Jackson, he is seemingly everywhere, even if he is screwing up, at least he highly involved.

It's also why I think Doncic is going to be a difference maker, that guy is all over the place.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Motor/energy gets overlooked far too often. Chriss was never ever going to be like Marion. Marion was in constant motion and flew up and down on both ends, filling the stat sheet mostly because of effort and energy rather than amazing skill. It's why I have no hope for Len and little hope for Chriss and Bender at this point. Their effort is extremely inconsistent. It's also why I was never worried about Jackson, he is seemingly everywhere, even if he is screwing up, at least he highly involved.

It's also why I think Doncic is going to be a difference maker, that guy is all over the place.

Finally that's what I want to hear I post my questions and that what I want to hear, I ask stuff and I just get denial. Doncic having a motor is good. Chriss don't want it, Jackson does. Bender lacks a killer instinct and is Soft and doesnt wanna bang in the paint, rather throw up some 3s. I just worry with Doncic will his game suffer, when the defenders start closing out on him and become much faster and Bigger than him. Does he have that killer in him, Dragic does, Prozangis does. But most dont. I can see Doncic getting over hyped and being a less athletic Walt Williams, Williams peaked at 16pts 5 reb and 5 assists a game, I could see Doncic doing that, but is that what the Suns want with that high of a pick, at a position not of need. Keep Payton, Booker/Warren/Jackson are Wings..........This team Needs some 4 and 5s! Bad! So I dont want Doncic

 

[JCSunsfan]

I don’t know what to tell you, this statement just isn’t true anymore.

This is true. It is highly likely McD has already watched Doncic in person several times.

 

[SirStefan32]

Finally that's what I want to hear I post my questions and that what I want to hear, I ask stuff and I just get denial. Doncic having a motor is good. Chriss don't want it, Jackson does. Bender lacks a killer instinct and is Soft and doesnt wanna bang in the paint, rather throw up some 3s. I just worry with Doncic will his game suffer, when the defenders start closing out on him and become much faster and Bigger than him. Does he have that killer in him, Dragic does, Prozangis does. But most dont. I can see Doncic getting over hyped and being a less athletic Walt Williams, Williams peaked at 16pts 5 reb and 5 assists a game, I could see Doncic doing that, but is that what the Suns want with that high of a pick, at a position not of need. Keep Payton, Booker/Warren/Jackson are Wings..........This team Needs some 4 and 5s! Bad! So I dont want Doncic

This kid is way nastier than Dragic. He's not afraid of anything or anybody.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

This kid is way nastier than Dragic. He's not afraid of anything or anybody.

Dragic has already said he will be better than him.

 

[Phrazbit]

Yeah... I know I'm not Dragic's biggest fan, but the way Doncic's presence carries over into a game vs Dragic, is incompatible. And this is with Doncic as a teenager and Dragic as an NBA star. He plays with fire, passion and IMO the questions about his athleticism are a freaking joke. I worry about his outside shooting, that is a legit concern and his defense... but as others have noted, with the current rules, virtually no one can cover good NBA guards.

Ayton is my #1 choice, but I feel pretty damn good about Doncic #2.

 

[sunsfan88]

If what you say is true, then why is he consistently listed as the #1 or #2 pick in this loaded draft? Either you're wrong (or partially wrong) or you're right and most other people, including those that report and watch basketball as a career, are totally wrong.

Yeah and those guys get stuff wrong too. I don't remember many projecting Anthony Bennett to be the 1st overall pick and yet he was.

And for the record, Donicic isn't listed as the #1 or #2 pick, he's #6 and dropping on draft.net.

 

[Phrazbit]

Yeah and those guys get stuff wrong too. I don't remember many projecting Anthony Bennett to be the 1st overall pick and yet he was.

And for the record, Donicic isn't listed as the #1 or #2 pick, he's #6 and dropping on draft.net.

On one website... basically everywhere else still has him going first or second.

Also, Bennett going first is not an example of forecasters being "wrong" with their draft expectations, it is an example of the Cavs being freaking idiots. And this draft could not be more different than the Bennett one, that was one of the worst draft pools ever.

 

[devilalum]

Is there a team out there that is floundering and ready to go all in on a rebuild that would trade a really good player for the 15 and 16th picks?

Adding 3 more 19 year olds to the existing crew would be ridiculous.

Of course draft the best player with the top pick but then add a proven commodity.


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[Chaplin]

Yeah and those guys get stuff wrong too. I don't remember many projecting Anthony Bennett to be the 1st overall pick and yet he was.

And for the record, Donicic isn't listed as the #1 or #2 pick, he's #6 and dropping on draft.net.

Please. Using one single site as your end all/be all is lazy. You cherry-pick the one site that has him the furthest down and ignore the bunch of other mock drafts that rate him higher. Why is NBAdraft.net any more credible than anyone else?

 

[Mainstreet]

Is there a team out there that is floundering and ready to go all in on a rebuild that would trade a really good player for the 15 and 16th picks?

Adding 3 more 19 year olds to the existing crew would be ridiculous.

Of course draft the best player with the top pick but then add a proven commodity.

I know what you are saying but the Suns desperately need more talent.

They could easily absorb 3 more rookies and a veteran or two. Of course they will need to move some contracts but it's not like the Suns would be losing much talent.

 

[Suns_fan69]

Is there a team out there that is floundering and ready to go all in on a rebuild that would trade a really good player for the 15 and 16th picks?

Adding 3 more 19 year olds to the existing crew would be ridiculous.

Of course draft the best player with the top pick but then add a proven commodity.


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Memphis is a possibility. Hard to fully evaluate this year with Conley out most (all?) of it but I do think an eventual rebuild is on their mind. Only problem is I don't see them giving up on Conley and Gasol isn't really right for our timeline.

Charlotte is another? They'd want to offload Batum but Walker is still an intriguing possibility.

LAC has a roster that screams mediocrity in the future, but I'm not sure they're ready to throw in the towel on rebuild.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Please. Using one single site as your end all/be all is lazy. You cherry-pick the one site that has him the furthest down and ignore the bunch of other mock drafts that rate him higher. Why is NBAdraft.net any more credible than anyone else?

In his defense, nbadraft.net is a follower web site. They usually follow every one else's lead. It is interesting that they are dropping Doncic before other sites.

 

[devilalum]

I know what you are saying but the Suns desperately need more talent.

They could easily absorb 3 more rookies and a veteran or two. Of course they will need to move some contracts but it's not like the Suns would be losing much talent.

Suns have 4 of the first 33 picks. Add that to Booker Chriss Bender Ulis Williams Warren Payton and Jackson and that’s 12?

Tyson And Knight are both making big money. Len is prolly gone?????

What the heck is this roster gonna look like next year?

Reed too?


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[Mainstreet]

Suns have 4 of the first 33 picks. Add that to Booker Chriss Bender Ulis Williams Warren Payton and Jackson and that’s 12?

Tyson And Knight are both making big money. Len is prolly gone?????

What the heck is this roster gonna look like next year?

Reed too?

Easily Ulis, Payton, Reed, Peters, Len could be gone. I think the Suns might use Dudley and/or Chandler as filler in a trade. If Knight doesn't work out he could be bought out or used as filler in a trade as well. Chriss or Bender are not untouchable. Williams could be a casualty as well if the Suns need money. The Suns may use some of their picks in trades. They also have future picks.

The Suns roster next season will be built on Booker, Warren and Jackson. I expect lots of changes.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Easily Ulis, Payton, Reed, Peters, Len could be gone. I think the Suns might use Dudley and/or Chandler as filler in a trade. If Knight doesn't work out he could be bought out or used as filler in a trade as well. Chriss or Bender are not untouchable. Williams could be a casualty as well if the Suns need money. The Suns may use some of their picks in trades. They also have future picks.

The Suns roster next season will be built on Booker, Warren and Jackson. I expect lots of changes.

Nothing wrong with moving on from certain players. No GM is going to get it right with every player, or even a majority of them. The key with a GM is discerning who should be developed once they are on the team, having a coach who can develop those players, and not falling in love with your own draft picks. You have to dump players who clearly are not going to develop.

 

[Mainstreet]

Nothing wrong with moving on from certain players. No GM is going to get it right with every player, or even a majority of them. The key with a GM is discerning who should be developed once they are on the team, having a coach who can develop those players, and not falling in love with your own draft picks. You have to dump players who clearly are not going to develop.

It's what I'm saying. I think it is likely to happen.

I can see the Suns making a trade for a quality younger player with an example scenario of Chriss, a first round pick and a player like Dudley.

 

[Cheesebeef]

It's what I'm saying. I think it is likely to happen.

I can see the Suns making a trade for a quality younger player with an example scenario of Chriss, a first round pick and a player like Dudley.

What’s your definition of quality because that looks a little like a Suns pu-pu platter to me to get a real contributor. Especially a young one.

 

[Mainstreet]

What’s your definition of quality because that looks a little like a Suns pu-pu platter to me to get a real contributor. Especially a young one.

I used "quality" for the lack of a better word.

I was using an example trade where the Suns might be able to acquire a player they like.

Chriss is a young player still under control for the next 3 years. I view him as worth a first round draft pick. What part of the first round can be debated.

Dudley is an expiring contract which allows the another team to lose salary.

And adding a first round pick sweetens the deal. First round picks are getting extremely hard to get and valuable these days.

It's anything but a "pu-pu platter" platter for the right team wanting to shed salary and acquire youth.