OT: Brian Flores Suing NFL Alleging Racism

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tnmike

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My take again is will a black coach be hired this year? As I stated on my earlier post there were 9 HC openings and 4 have been filled by white coaches. Only Josh McDaniels had any head coaching experience which was a disaster with Denver. Per the Rooney rule the interviews are taking place. Why aren't any of them being hired? :bang:
Being a certain color should not be a requisite to an interview. Either you are qualified or not.
 

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I understand accusing the Dolphins owner, but accusing multiple individuals, especially even make the belicheck name cause congratulating with Daboll for his new job
Can be a slightly case of paranoia with persecution mania?
 

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This lawsuit may result in the abolishment of the Rooney Rule. Simplest course of action for the league is to pay off Flores and get rid of the rule that got them sued as part of the settlement.
 

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Being a certain color should not be a requisite to an interview. Either you are qualified or not.
The argument for the rule in the first place was that qualified candidates were not getting interviews due to their color. Simple statistics would support the idea that their are qualified blacks who didn't and aren't getting shots.

I remember people seriously believed black guys couldn't be great QB. Just to play the position period. It took a LONG time for the QB position to get to the point it is today. I think head coaching is 20 years or so behind QBs and will take a while also.

That said, the Rooney Rule ... never a fan.

This lawsuit seems poorly thought out and without much merit.
 

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That Packers team was hot trash…

Idk what happened with Wilks and whether or not he deserved another year. It seemed like the players supported him publicity after the last game but the team was so unwatchable that they couldn’t run it back.
Agree. It was a train wreck. Reportedly he also lied to MB about sticking with a 3-4 defense and wanted to move to 4-3 as part of his "plan" for the next season . He is also out of the NFL now after bombing as a DC in Cleveland.
 

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The argument for the rule in the first place was that qualified candidates were not getting interviews due to their color. Simple statistics would support the idea that their are qualified blacks who didn't and aren't getting shots.

I remember people seriously believed black guys couldn't be great QB. Just to play the position period. It took a LONG time for the QB position to get to the point it is today. I think head coaching is 20 years or so behind QBs and will take a while also.

That said, the Rooney Rule ... never a fan.

This lawsuit seems poorly thought out and without much merit.
Defector just had a big story about nepotism in the NFL, also. Guys getting fast-tracked because Dad is the head coach over more-qualified and experienced candidates.

The Lede was Mike Zimmer promoting his kid to co-DC alongside a guy with like 15 years’ time. People don’t respect that.
 

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Here we go again. Let's hire people who may be unqualified for a certain position because their race/ethnicity/diversity fills an arbitrary diversity criteria.
 

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Only thing I expect from this is Flores not getting another coaching opportunity for quite a while. Dolphins may get a fine/loss of draft pick, but even that will be just a slap on the wrist. Seriously hope Flores has more evidence...otherwise he's essentially ended his NFL career.
The Cardinals should immediately fire VJ & hire Flores. Even better, the Cardinals should immediately fire KK & hire Flores. Flores is a legit coach who has his team ready to play EVERY week.
 

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He lost me by bringing up Wilkes. That was literally the worst, most unwatchable season of football I have ever seen at any level. Wilkes could have easily been fired after like 10 games and ut would have been justified. They allowed him to finish the season...PAID HIM...and went a different way. That is not racism, it's admitting a mistake was made in the first place.

Flores thought he was bigger than the "franchise QB" and he was wrong. I have no doubt they asked Tua what he thought of Flores and he probably didn't have many nice things to say. I think we are one season away from the same situation with Kliff and Kyler.

If he's going to sue the NFL an claim racism...he's going to need a better argument than "that other qualified guy got the job and I didn't". I would have chosen Daboll over Flores too, because he helped make Josh Allen into a stud, and tge Bill's have a great offense. What were the dolphins really good at again?
 

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Not just him
It was one of the lowest level of football I have ever seen
In the almost 60 years of watching this franchise, the 2018 team was clearly the most unwatchable I'd ever seen. They won 3 games, but legitimately shouldn't have won any. We luckily beat the Niners twice & that Niners team had the most injuries in NFL history. And the Packers dropped 4 interceptions against Rosen that day. 2 would have been pick 6's.
 

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The Cardinals should immediately fire VJ & hire Flores. Even better, the Cardinals should immediately fire KK & hire Flores. Flores is a legit coach who has his team ready to play EVERY week.
Except when they lost by 30 points in week 17 last year to miss the playoffs....or when they started 1-7 this year?

Do you think that some other coaching candidates were passed when Flores went from LB coach to HC of the Dolphins? He had never even been a DC. Was that racism? Sure seems like with the Rooney Rule it could be seen that way.
 

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Except when they lost by 30 points in week 17 last year to miss the playoffs....or when they started 1-7 this year?

Do you think that some other coaching candidates were passed when Flores went from LB coach to HC of the Dolphins? He had never even been a DC. Was that racism? Sure seems like with the Rooney Rule it could be seen that way.
How many teams start 1-7, and then win 7 straight & 8 of last 9? Says a lot about what his players thought of him as they certainly didn't quit. I'd rather see that than what we've seen with KK.
 

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I have ZERO doubt of widespread racism in the NFL, but there was a Grand Canyon sized difference between Wilks’ first year 3-13 disaster with a rookie QB and Kliff’s 5-10-1 first year with a rookie QB.

And that’s even coming from a guy who questions Kliff’s coaching abilities.

Gotta find better examples than that one. I knew the entire SEASON was over before halftime of Game 1 of the Wilks error.
To be perfectly honest, I watched very few games in 2018. That team was so bad it was painful.
 
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I wouldn’t be surprised if Goodell is twisting some owner’s arm right about now to equalize this issue by making Flores a nice big fat offer.
Any black guy at this point

*VJ’s phone starts blowing up again*
 
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