JG is going to be really good. 49ers are to going to be the ones to beat in this division very soon.
OT: Garappolo 5y/137.5M
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Solar7
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Except for the fact that he helped cover for Peyton's inadequacies for most of the year? That Denver was willing to pay him just a little under what he was paid by Houston?
This is what I hate about the cherry picking. The people saying we didn't do anything are only pointing to wild successes by other teams and ignoring anyone who swung and missed hardcore.
Swinging for the fences and watching our team fail for 3 straight years is going to turn the "at least we tried" fans into "same ol' Cardinals" fans.
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
Are you referencing Jimmy or Sam?
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
I don't understand the comparison between the Texans signing Brock, and the Cardinals trading up for Darnold.
Solar7
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Well, I was quoting Bucky, so not really talking about Darnold, just talking about risks that don't pan out, since this thread is about Garoppolo and the 49ers taking a risk in securing the guy that they had a plan for.
The Texans were very aggressive, identified their guy, and it blew up in their face.
Jetstream Green
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JG isn't much better than BG, seeing that BA's offense was way more in favor for bad play than supporting his QB.
Thanks wa52lz, I had the feeling that JG wasn't that great and I saw many things that I didn't like now I can be sure, that I wasn't all that biased.
And for me this is a overblown contract, JG isn't a top 10 QB at the moment, not even top 15. He was healthy for a short stretch, he didn't win against us because he played us hard, but because our genius of DC called one of his bad "oh there is a backup QB" games. And even than needed a missed FG and some more bad luck.
We will see how JG will fare this season, hopefully for the 49ers he can produce at least at a level as high as Cousins, if not, they will have big problems.
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
and then they got another guy, and the franchise has a lot of hope. It shows that spending big on a FA QB and missing doesn't ruin your franchise. The same goes with trading up for a top QB. That doesn't ruin your franchise either.
They are viewed as a franchise on the rise while we are not despite the fact that we had a better record in 2017.
Buckybird
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Solar7
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We’ll see. They have a coach who almost got fired, a QB with two torn up knees, a defensive superstar that can’t stay healthy... and they don’t have the #4 overall pick to reload. They could easily languish next year.
They got lucky that there was a team that would take the salary dump. It’s still two lost seasons for them. I don’t want it to be 2020 and for posters to tell me that we’re a team “on the rise.” In two years, I want to be contending for the playoffs/Super Bowl.
It’s worth pointing out that they’re actually on the decline after “going for it” and getting their QB in Osweiler.
I agree... thats all I want to see. Make a decision who you want...then go get him.
kinda like when cotton fitsimmons once said, "we need us a Charles Barkley"...and then they went and got, not "A" Charles Barkley... but "The" Charles Barkley.
Identify.Target.Acquire.
Losers talk about why it cant be done while winners are out there getting it done.
It's time for the Redbirds to snatch the panties off the prom queen.
WisconsinCard
Herfin BIg Time
we are at SoC now...except its 8-8 instead of 5-11...at least at 5-11 you get top five draft picks to try and get better...at 8-8...you get mid round picks after all the blue chip players are gone.
Think about it...we are right now in the midst of what many called a "disaster" with no coaches and no QB's....... but our owner signed our GM to a lucrative contract extension.... BEFORE he actually fixed the mess...and it aint an incoming GM...its the same dude that created the mess in the first place.
thats like kyle petty getting 200 laps into the Indy 500 and they chase him down and give him the check....and congratulate him on his impending victory....while Dale earnhardt Junior and Jimmy Johnson are a half a lap ahead of him...
What we are seeing right now is EXACTLY SoC... maybe call it SoC 2.0... the numbers are a little bigger, the stadium is prettier... but our front office is slipping into a level of complacency...a level of "The system works"
Right now our front office is working under the philosophy of..."Keep your team average and if the season goes well and injuries dont destroy you...then you will be in the race come december"...
Right now they are committed to winning football games.
But winning football games is not winning Championships.
they just want to stay competitive...and make an occasional splash to keep the fans excited because that sells jerseys and tickets.
as a fan base...we learned what it is like to support a winning team over the past decade.
from the bottom of my heart I thank Denny Green, Ken Wisenhunt, Bruce Arians, Steve Keim, Mike Bidwill, and even Rod Graves for giving us the chance to support a team that wins....we didnt know how to do that before....but we know now.
Now I want to learn how to support a championship team. Championships do not fall in your lap. Nobody wins the Lombardy by standing pat.
Mike took over the team and changed the culture...instead of SoC being total suckage,... now SoC is total mediocrity...
I am 50 years old...I dont have time to wait for Mikes kids to take over the team and move up to the next level.
AZ Native
Living is Easy with Eyes Closed
BB never called us. We had no chance. He fell in the niners lap thanks to BB. There was no planning on their part. They received a phone call and accepted the trade. Keim would have done the same but never had an opportunity. A blind squirrel finds an occasional acorn.
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WisconsinCard
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Solar7
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Sorry, I just don't see it. We are now a strong organization. Yes, one with some steps to take to the top, but we're not floundering at the bottom. I want this team to take a measured, steady, planned approach, like a team marching down the field to a touchdown, chewing up the clock and consistently moving the chains. I don't want this to be a team whose success is either a Hail Mary or a 3 and out.
I don't see any successful teams that made desperation trades besides the Eagles, and they might have won without doing it anyways.
Buckybird
Hoist the Lombardi Trophy
Basically the BEST option at finding a long term franchise QB with you’re philosophy is to tank & suck terribly for 2-3 years given the state of our franchise as we speak.
We have coaches, and I think you're getting you motorsports mixed up...
lol...sorry man... I am only a poser redneck, lol...was trying to play up the stereotype of a big bald white guy with blue eyes and a cowboy hat...
I failed.... I've only ever been to one monster truck rally in my life...
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
You can be the team who waits for the call or be the team who makes the call. Lynch called Belichick about Jimmy in the preseason, and then kept at it. This has been our issue for the past couple years in the draft...we wait for something to happen rather than making the move to make it happen. Teams trade ahead of the Cardinals because we are waiting for that player to drop to us. It isn't all of the time, but we can't afford to have the same thing happen to us this year.
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
Enjoy the 6-10 record!
Solar7
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Honestly, let’s talk about the consistently good franchises in this league. When have they made desperation Hail Mary moves?
The consistently great teams have a plan and execute on it, staying the course. Don’t get me wrong, we need a quarterback. I’d love for us to be the team with a surefire winner for the next twelve years. This might even be the year - it’s a deep class. So don’t freak out and move up to 1 when you can get a good starter where you’re sitting.
No we have to run out all our #1 in the next 3 years, throw 35 Mio $ to cousin, trade our Second for JG and pay him after 7 games 30 Mio$ a year. Oh and meanwhile trade 2 other #1 round picks that we acquired through trading away PP21 for Nick Foles and trade Fitz to the Falcons or the Vikings for a 2nd and draft Mason Rudolph oh and trade HB and Chandler Jones for some #1 to trade up and get Darnold ...
Jez, guys, are you even looking at what you are writing?
And yes daves, I don't like Jimmy Garappolo, he for me fits in a mold that is very injury prone and will play some good games, but never will amount to the guy. He needs a cast around him and a HC that plays to his strenghts. He isn't the next Tom Brady, period. Maybe he is on Matty Iced level, but that will bring you maybe the most ridicolous lose in SB history ... at least Matty wouldn't hear about his anymore. (and yes I have some problems with JG's throwing motion, his release and his footwork but gosh ... maybe he gets better or he shows that he is worth all that money).
Jetstream Green
Kool Aid with a touch of vodka
Come on, you can tell us... with your extreme caution, you must have a poster of Rod Graves
I agree with your (hyperbolized) position on not giving up huge draft or cap resources for a guy who you're not sure is a legitimate franchise QB....
That's fine if you don't like Garoppolo... i'm impressed by what he's done in limited appearances but only time will tell whether he's worth the money SF just gave him....
But this is still a horrible take.
Gabbert in 7 years has never approached the level of QB play that Garoppolo has consistently demonstrated so far, and Arians' offense has been plenty friendly to QBs who have what it takes to be starting quality QBs... unlike Gabbert.
...dbs
