OT Joey Bosa

[TJ]

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[Bodha]

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Misunderstanding the concept of DRAFT.


If these kids had a choice where they go, then the perennially bad teams would find it difficult to draft anyone.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I don't condone holding out either way, but the situation is a little different because Gates had a couple seasons and pro bowl under his belt by then. Bosa is a rookie whos done nothing.


And again, the issue isn't total dollars. The $ is $17M period. Bosa is complaining over WHEN he gets his guaranteed $17M.

Insanely petty.

Different or not he held out to get what he wanted and now he wants to run his mouth about someone else's business. Just seems hypocritical to me.

 

[Buckybird]

Screw this egotistical ****!!! He's yet to play a down in the NFL & prove anything

 

[SO91]

Different or not he held out to get what he wanted and now he wants to run his mouth about someone else's business. Just seems hypocritical to me.

Players talking about another dude's contract issues is messed up. It makes them look hypocritical like it does in this case with Gates. Let the man get what he feels he deserves and carry on.

 

[Bodha]

Let the man get what he feels he deserves

Why?

That's a silly statement. I feel like I deserve $400,000 for the job I do at work. Doesn't mean Im going to get it, nor will I throw a tantrum when I don't.



The thing hes protesting is seriously petty. Its not a total sum issue. Its like throwing a fit that your package is being shipped to you via freight instead of air, and therefore will take longer. boo-hoo

 

[SO91]

Why?

That's a silly statement. I feel like I deserve $400,000 for the job I do at work. Doesn't mean Im going to get it, nor will I throw a tantrum when I don't.

If you legitimately feel like you deserve that, then go ahead and try and get it. No reason for one of your co-workers to get involved in your business when it won't affect him/her in any way.

 

[Bodha]

If you legitimately feel like you deserve that, then go ahead and try and get it.

I agree.

But try as you may, sometimes the answer is no. And at that point, we as adults, accept the No and move ahead.

Bosa is throwing a tantrum because mom said no.

 

[jbeecham]

I just don't understand what SD is trying to accomplish... what's the benefit for them? Sure they wouldn't pay out his signing bonus right away, but that shouldn't be a big deal to an NFL team. The damage they're doing to their relationship with the #3 overall pick just isn't worth any benefit they might get by refusing to budge on either issue.

Not only that, but it likely makes Bosa less effective this year since he hasn't gone through training camp or pre-season.

Man, I'm glad we don't have a poorly run team like SD anymore.

 

[SO91]

I agree.

But try as you may, sometimes the answer is no. And at that point, we as adults, accept the No and move ahead.

Bosa is throwing a tantrum because mom said no.

There is no tantrum. It's a negotiation and he's carrying through with the option chosen by him and his agent. He hasn't been crying about it in the media or social media. The Chargers don't have a potential cornerstone of the franchise available because they refuse to give up 1 of the 2 things that most teams would easily work out. They are not mom, or dad, or any of the other analogies you keep throwing out and don't work.

 

[Bodha]

There is no tantrum. It's a negotiation

It is a tantrum because he wants it his way 100%. Also it should be noted that the negotiation is not 50-50. He was drafted. He belongs to SD one way or another. The negotiation is 70-30. Bosa needs to understand this. The Chargers have made changes to the original offer based on his requests, and offered him a new "final best offer we can extend". That "final best offer" is where you as a disgruntled employee be an adult and accept. It may not be exactly what you wanted, but its reasonable.



and again, the issues hes protesting are petty. Its not some poisonous contract.

 

[sunsfan88]

I just don't understand what SD is trying to accomplish... what's the benefit for them?

They don't want to set a new precedent. The Chargers are currently offering Bosa a contract that's in line with what they gave their other 1st rd picks such as Rivers, Liuget, Fluker, Verrett, Gordon etc.

If the Chargers offer Bosa something different (like what he wants), then other players are gonna say wow why didn't we get his type of deal too?

It's a tricky situation.

 

[TJ]

They don't want to set a new precedent. The Chargers are currently offering Bosa a contract that's in line with what they gave their other 1st rd picks such as Rivers, Liuget, Fluker, Verrett, Gordon etc.

If the Chargers offer Bosa something different (like what he wants), then other players are gonna say wow why didn't we get his type of deal too?

It's a tricky situation.

Their other 1st rounders weren't Top 5 draft picks. You can get away with deferring bonus money and installing offset language if you're picking, say, 18 and beyond, but not at 3. That's why you can't use anyone on the Chargers's roster as a comp.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Why?

That's a silly statement. I feel like I deserve $400,000 for the job I do at work. Doesn't mean Im going to get it, nor will I throw a tantrum when I don't.



The thing hes protesting is seriously petty. Its not a total sum issue. Its like throwing a fit that your package is being shipped to you via freight instead of air, and therefore will take longer. boo-hoo

With your cap-in-hand, 'yes boss' - understanding of contract negotiation, I doubt you'd have the courage to even ask for a raise.

 

[Bodha]

With your cap-in-hand, 'yes boss' - understanding of contract negotiation, I doubt you'd have the courage to even ask for a raise.

You fail to recognize (repeatedly) that this is not a 50-50 negotiation. He is not a free soul to go where he wants. He belongs to SD. Your salty attempt to relate his situation to a normal job was trash. Because normal society isn't drafted to their company.

 

[GuernseyCard]

You fail to recognize (repeatedly) that this is not a 50-50 negotiation. He is not a free soul to go where he wants. He belongs to SD. Your salty attempt to relate his situation to a normal job was trash. Because normal society isn't drafted to their company.

The reference is as good as your sophomoric analogies.

Enter a negotiation believing the table is tilted against you and you are bound to get the short end of the deal. Bosa has offered a trade-off and if it all comes to naught, he'll sign in November, effectively reduce the deal by a year and probably move on at some later point. Some victory for Spanos, if he pans out.

 

[Bodha]

Enter a negotiation believing the table is tilted against you and you are bound to get the short end of the deal. Bosa has offered a trade-off and if it all comes to naught, he'll sign in November, effectively reduce the deal by a year and probably move on at some later point. Some victory for Spanos, if he pans out.

IT IS

You don't understand what DRAFT means. AKA conscription. AKA you belong to us.

You have SOME negotiating ability, which the Chargers HAVE conceded a little bit, but you are not an equal party.

 

[oaken1]

due to offset language, or lack there of.... if bosa has a career ending injury or gets cut,...then he does not ever get that other $7mil...is that correct?

personally, since bosa comes from money and does not need to sign...I would prefer to see him sit out and re enter the draft
sandy eggo only owns his rights for a single year.... bosa will suffer financial loss over it but sooner or later the precedent needs to be set.... so players who choose to hold out know that teams will in fact let you take a year off...and so teams who try to stay in the stone age see that todays players are not going to play those games.
it will be better for future draft classes if this garbage all plays out now....and what better team to display it?

well...maybe the niners,... but I'm good with it being the bolts.

 

[MadCardDisease]

due to offset language, or lack there of.... if bosa has a career ending injury or gets cut,...then he does not ever get that other $7mil...is that correct?

If Bosa gets cut he still get the money.

However if another team signs him then the money from that new team counts against what he was owed by the Chargers.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Article 7 of the NFL’s CBA might as well be called the “Chargers provision.” San Diego was so notorious for penny-pinching with rookie contracts that the team — as much as the record-setting contracts being handed to No. 1 overall picks — was responsible for the NFL’s rookie pay scale, which went into place with the new CBA. The league had to prevent teams from underpaying — it messed up the market and broke the draft process.

Remember when Eli Manning refused to sign with the Chargers after the team drafted him No. 1 overall in 2004? He knew the Chargers’ reputation for nickel-and-diming rookies who didn’t have much, if any, leverage. Manning and his advisers saw that in 2001, LaDainian Tomlinson held out 30 days as the Chargers refused to pay him the fair market value of a No. 5 pick. They saw that Quentin Jammer held out for 50 days in 2002 for the same reasons. Manning wasn’t going through that nonsense. He had leverage before the draft — don’t draft me, I won’t sign — and he used it, and he avoided the mess. He took a PR hit — the Chargers were all too happy to participate in that piling on — but he didn’t have to deal with the San Diego ownership.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/25925b1d-eae7-3003-9648-4d79c57ddcc3/joey-bosa-gets-bitter.html

 

[cardncubfan]

You fail to recognize (repeatedly) that this is not a 50-50 negotiation. He is not a free soul to go where he wants. He belongs to SD. Your salty attempt to relate his situation to a normal job was trash. Because normal society isn't drafted to their company.

Yet you keep comparing the situation to regular jobs.

 

[Mitch]

I'm wondering if the Chargers' expectations of playing Bosa as a 5 technique DE in the 34 has Bosa less than excited and more concerned about his long-term durability. He would seem ideally suited to play LDE in a 43....which is what he played at Ohio St. Setting and rushing the edge is his forte.

 

[Bodha]

Yet you keep comparing the situation to regular jobs.

Yeah and you can so long as you tee it up correctly. Asking for your bonus in 1 check, rather than split, is a valid comparison.

Demanding a raise is an irrelevant example BC this issue isn't about total dollars.

 

[Darkside]

Yeah and you can so long as you tee it up correctly. Asking for your bonus in 1 check, rather than split, is a valid comparison.

Demanding a raise is an irrelevant example BC this issue isn't about total dollars.

Everything isn’t about money, I know that’s hard to fathom. You continually recommend that he wise up, shut his mouth, and accept what’s being offered, as if you know him as a person or his underlying motivations. You’ve told him and the rest of us to “grow up” because adults recognize the power of no and tuck their tail between their legs and accept things without question. Yet I would argue that as adults, many of us learn that money isn’t necessarily the guiding principle in our lives. There’s a lot more that goes into being an adult than money or accepting no for an answer. Accepting “no” unequivocally is what children do, not adults as you suggest. Adults have the ability to reason, weigh the consequences, and act accordingly. The freedom of having choice is powerful. You continually say SD “owns” him, that’s a fallacy. There’s a price to pay for every decision we make, but we still have choices and sometimes they don’t make sense to other people. It’s important to remember, as adults (right?), that our lives are what they are because of the choices we make. Nobody is making you work, nobody is making him play for SD, he isn’t owned by anyone—his contractual rights to play football may be, but that isn’t forever.

Many of us as adults have resisted opportunities that appear to be in our best interests, if you’re looking from the outside, but there’s more to it than that. I’ve turned down several higher paying jobs because I was required to relocate or travel a lot, it just isn’t for me, I want to be with my wife and family. I’m 46 years old, I’m free to make that choice, even if people looking in from the outside think I’m an idiot. My point is, those were my choices to make, not someone else’s, and it’s irrelevant what they think. This Bosa situation is no different.

Your point initially was that SD wasn’t breaking any legalities or the CBA and I’m quite sure we’ve all agreed on that point, about 20 pages ago. That was a good argument and I agreed with it, as I believe many others did. Then you went off the rails, switched lanes, and started comparing him to other players on SD, other teams, the CBA, and even delved into the private sector to compare his situation to Joe Schmoe working and wanting his annual salary in one fat installment. This is all nonsense. Bosa works for a union, the most powerful union in the country, and he and SD both are working within the parameters of the union. There’s nothing remotely similar to his bargaining position and that of “civilians” working a 9 to 5. Both sides are working within the confines of the collective BARGAINING agreement. (I had another 2 paragraphs on this I deleted, so if you want to go around about the differences I’d be happy to).

You can disagree with his position, although frankly I’m having a hard time understanding your own motivations. We should be praising him for standing on principle (whatever that is) and turning down the cash. It rarely happens, but some guy comes along and does it and you’re like what a dick. Really? Haven’t you ripped on Washington for taking the cash? Haven’t we all? But this **** does it different, AHEAD OF TIME, and you have steadfastly destroyed the dude and anyone who agrees with his stance. The hypocrisy of not just you but others who agree with you is astonishing.

But again, that’s his choice, I don’t know why that’s so hard for you to accept. You talk about adults accepting things, the reality of things, then accept this, dude.

Other random thoughts:

1. Gates needs to shut the F up. He’s the one who sounds like a selfish player, and I like the dude, but he’s wrong. They work for a union, if Gates gave any poo about anyone other than himself, he would want his brothers to get as much money as possible.

2. Players shouldn’t talk about another player’s salary. They work for a union, they’re all in it together. Complaining about salary only hurts yourself—unless you’re an aging and bitter HOF TE apparently.

3. Bosa has a good agent who’s doing him wrong this time, and SD has a general manager who has shown himself to be an idiot even before this draft.

4. I don’t think Bosa wants to play for SD. Agents aside, I really don’t think he wants to play for them. Ya’ll say he’ll sign, and maybe he will, to get his money in the shortest time frame possible, but it’s obvious he has an issue with SD in general. You don’t hold out for this unless you have a serious issue.

5. SD is the dregs of football, they’re poorly run, much like we were when I started going to games when they came here. They’re awful. Honestly, they’ve never been the same since they got rid of Shotty. Didn’t they fire him after an 11-5 season or 12-4, something like that? They’ve never been the same since then. The only person I feel bad for is Phillip Rivers, he’s an elite QB on a bad team. Gates can suck ass after his comments, don’t care if he’s going to the HOF, he’s a punk, Kellen Winslow is much better*.


*The older Kellen Winslow, the TE who could actually play football. He’s still the best TE SD ever had in their history. Gates can suck a fat one. Kellen Winslow is the poo and always will be in my eyes. Watching him when I was a kid, just do these historic and unprecedented things, lay it all on the field, he was an inspiration to me. He made me love football and he and Don Coryell transitioned me from hard-nosed running football to high octane passing football. They brought me into the future, they drug me with them, dragged me to the finish line.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I refuse to argue who is right... all I know is this is not the Cardinals and I have the popcorn out lol