Panthers at Cardinals gameday thread 9-22-19

[DVontel]

He has not had to deal with a lot of adversity in his career. The times he has faced it, he has not risen to the occasion. This is not new.

He has dating back to HS. Just not so far in the NFL.

 

[Chopper0080]

True but he also has years or learning how to do so! People expect KM to be RW right now is laughable. The D lost this game if they don’t roll over and give up scores every time we score. The Oline is a joke but we found ways to score only to have the D lay down and get run over. The D is the main issue with this team right now we can score and figure things out on the O but the D is a complete dumpster fire!

Kyler Murray was the #1 pick in the draft...Russ was a 3rd rounder. Russ hasn't had a good offensive line for years but has always kept his cool. The moment things get tough, Kyler falls apart while Russ has always risen to the moment.

 

[Cheesebeef]

man... that was the most disappointing loss since the Pats game post-NFC Title Game Annihilation. I actually thought we were going to win today and get Kyler his breakout game and instead we got just blown the far out!

 

[Chopper0080]

He has dating back to HS. Just not so far in the NFL.

And I am not saying he can't develop, it is just that he hasn't responded well when things get tough. Got beat out at A&M, transferred, and couldn't beat out Baker. Folded against Alabama when it mattered. Same story so far in the NFL.

 

[iLLmatiC]

I'm starting Will Dissly next week in daily...just like I started Kyle Allen and Greg Olsen this week.

I might pick up Dissly and put him in one of my utility spots. I have Lockett LOL

 

[dscher]

He has not had to deal with a lot of adversity in his career. The times he has faced it, he has not risen to the occasion. This is not new.

Small sample size. Time will tell. Highly successful younger players all have to go through it. His first real adversity was Alabama and handled himself well. Imo. This was worse than that... So let's see how the next few games go before we think the kid can't bounce back ehhh?

 

[Crimson Warrior]

And I am not saying he can't develop, it is just that he hasn't responded well when things get tough. Got beat out at A&M, transferred, and couldn't beat out Baker. Folded against Alabama when it mattered. Same story so far in the NFL.

Receivers did not help him out very much today Chopper. Drops by Kirk, Sherfield and Edmunds that I can remember right off the top of my head.

 

[swagron]

This game was supposed to be the gimme game

 

[Crimson Warrior]

He has not had to deal with a lot of adversity in his career. The times he has faced it, he has not risen to the occasion. This is not new.

I've covered this before.

He played baseball at a very high level. You know that when you bat, you fail most of the time. I think he knows how to react to failure.

 

[AZCB34]

Well at least the Keim haters should be happy, Steve Keim is done

I thought Keim should have been done when the cuffs were on his wrist. He will be back next year because he gets the rookie QB pass...just like Kliff who, imo, looks and is overmatched. Cards aren't playing Kansas.

 

[Russ Smith]

I might pick up Dissly and put him in one of my utility spots. I have Lockett LOL

I have Wilson and Dissly, started both today. They got 2 extra plays at the end of the game by penalty and the last untimed play was a TD pass Wilson to Dissly that likely won my matchup for me!

 

[Chopper0080]

Receivers did not help him out very much today Chopper. Drops by Kirk, Sherfield and Edmunds that I can remember right off the top of my head.

Happens to every QB...he was the #1 pick in the draft...just another excuse. The best ones overcome. That is why it is called overcoming adversity.

 

[Chopper0080]

I've covered this before.

He played baseball at a very high level. You know that when you bat, you fail most of the time. I think he knows how to react to failure.

Overcoming adversity in a different sport, especially when you are talking about hitting which is an individual situation, means nothing. Another pre-draft, garbage justification.

 

[Chopper0080]

This game was supposed to be the gimme game

There are no gimmie games when you have a fringe roster and a QB playing poorly.

 

[swagron]

There are no gimmie games when you have a fringe roster and a QB playing poorly.

I agree...local media and water cooler talk said otherwise.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Overcoming adversity in a different sport, especially when you are talking about hitting which is an individual situation, means nothing. Another pre-draft, garbage justification.

Are you putting this loss at the feet of Murray?

 

[DVontel]

And I am not saying he can't develop, it is just that he hasn't responded well when things get tough. Got beat out at A&M, transferred, and couldn't beat out Baker. Folded against Alabama when it mattered. Same story so far in the NFL.

He didn’t get beat out at A&M. He actually beat out Kyle Allen, but Sumlin is a damn moron & wanted to play the dumb 2 QB game. Hence his dad & Kyle’s parents got them both out of A&M because Sumlin’s dumb***.

I don’t even know if I can take that Baker statement even seriously & you know why.

He had a mediocre 1st half against Alabama, but raised his game up in the 2nd half, but just like today, his defense couldn’t get it done in that game.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Frustrating game where we continued to call WR screens and quick outs against a 4 man rush and zone.

Carolina was content to stop the run and keep everything in front of them

By the 4th the Cardinals lost all composure while the game was in reach. Clear frustration from poor execution became finger pointing and the game was over

Offensively you worry if others will just copy this and allow Kingsbury all the 4 yard crossing routes and WR screens he wants

Defensively is just a whole different ball game. The defense just exuded passiveness. It looked like going through the motions and the score reflected it

 

[FB94]

I am much more worried about our defense than our offense. If we cannot stop anyone we then force our offense into what we saw in the fourth quarter

 

[Fiasco]

True but he also has years or learning how to do so! People expect KM to be RW right now is laughable. The D lost this game if they don’t roll over and give up scores every time we score. The Oline is a joke but we found ways to score only to have the D lay down and get run over. The D is the main issue with this team right now we can score and figure things out on the O but the D is a complete dumpster fire!

I imagine when he "gets used" to the speed at the NFL level he will be able to throw more balls away.

 

[Ronin]

Kent Somers
@kentsomers
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12m

Looked at the 8 times Murray was sacked. 5 came in 4th quarter w/Cardinals trailing by 15+. 3 of 8, LT DJ Humphries at least had a hand in. RT Jordan Mills beat on one. 3 were on Murray, IMO. Last one was coverage. He had plenty of time.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Are you putting this loss at the feet Murray?

I’m sure he’ll say no but the volume of Murray-related posts evidences otherwise.

 

[Chopper0080]

Kent Somers
@kentsomers
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12m

Looked at the 8 times Murray was sacked. 5 came in 4th quarter w/Cardinals trailing by 15+. 3 of 8, LT DJ Humphries at least had a hand in. RT Jordan Mills beat on one. 3 were on Murray, IMO. Last one was coverage. He had plenty of time.

Kent Somers is a troll too apparently.

 

[Chopper0080]

I’m sure he’ll say no but the volume of Murray-related posts evidences otherwise.

I have said the top 3 things that I felt contributed to the loss

1-Defense
2-Drops
3-Murray

Where I differ is that I do not use the drops or the defense to excuse Murray's terrible performance from the end of the 3rd Q on. His job was to play well despite those other things, especially after the McCaffery run.

 

[wit3card]

Kyler Murray was the #1 pick in the draft...Russ was a 3rd rounder. Russ hasn't had a good offensive line for years but has always kept his cool. The moment things get tough, Kyler falls apart while Russ has always risen to the moment.

Not true in the first year of RW he didn't respond well he lost against us on 8 plays from 5 and 2 yards ...

Yes KM didn't elevate his play but, c'mon don ask him to be more than a Rookie. RW never was asked and he didn't have to, the D bailed him out many times. And RW had many games with 3 or 6 or less points.

Look I understand the frustration, but we were on par till the 4th QRT we fell appart after Sherfield droped the TD and the D messed it up badly.

Than KM tried to much and INT and from that it was over and out.

Overall yes KM should have played better, but he didn't we also couldn't run the whole game without gimmicks so ... maybe that was a big problem as well.