Peterson - a big puss

[AZ Native]

Unless it's a waste of the proverbial ink

That could apply to any headline for thread title.

 

[Jetstream Green]

That could apply to any headline for thread title.

No. There are certain posts which are so far from the reality of the situation that they are a waste. Is Peterson the reason why our record is as it is, no. We just win against a hated rival and someone feels a need to post Peterson is a puss. Maybe a post on John Brown not being a legit number two. Maybe a post on the future that matters since the season is over. That is not a waste of discussion, no matter how many times it's cited because it has priority... but to post a negative Peterson thread at this time is a waste of our collective discussion when no matter how many posts on our coach has way more validity

 

[AZ Native]

No. There are certain posts which are so far from the reality of the situation that they are a waste. Is Peterson the reason why our record is as it is, no. We just win against a hated rival and someone feels a need to post Peterson is a puss. Maybe a post on John Brown not being a legit number two. Maybe a post on the future that matters since the season is over. That is not a waste of discussion, no matter how many times it's cited because it has priority... but to post a negative Peterson thread at this time is a waste of our collective discussion when no matter how many posts on our coach has way more validity

OK, so what is your honest response my post #58 on this thread?

 

[Jetstream Green]

OK, so what is your honest response my post #58 on this thread?

Sure, only because The Beatles' "White Album" was the first LP I ever purchased (and it's black by the way on 8-track haha), though your question on Aeneas only has bearing to our immediate future if Peterson was the problem. Peterson does give it his all for the player he is and that is strictly a cover guy for better or worse but he is so good in coverage to argue the other point is moot (and he is great in coverage if you take his seasons as a whole removed from the time he was adapting to being a diabetic type two, which he overcame). The only modern player I have seen which recalls Aeneas to me is actually Sherman because they play a similar style of play, maybe more so if Sherman would be allowed to play physical as in Aeneas' day... still luv "Dear Prudence" lol

 

[Cheesebeef]

No. There are certain posts which are so far from the reality of the situation that they are a waste. Is Peterson the reason why our record is as it is, no. We just win against a hated rival and someone feels a need to post Peterson is a puss. Maybe a post on John Brown not being a legit number two. Maybe a post on the future that matters since the season is over. That is not a waste of discussion, no matter how many times it's cited because it has priority... but to post a negative Peterson thread at this time is a waste of our collective discussion when no matter how many posts on our coach has way more validity

You talking ANYTHING about validity” is pretty funny coming from the guy who told a bunch of posters they shouldn’t post for six months because the AP trade was such a smashing success... even though he did next to nothing for us.

 

[AZ Native]

Sorry, PP is a great cover guy, but he does not give his all. He is a one trick pony, a very good one, HOF worthy, but no, he does not give his all. I see it way too often. BTW Jetstream, I enjoy reading your posts.

 

[Jetstream Green]

You talking ANYTHING about validity” is pretty funny coming from the guy who told a bunch of posters they shouldn’t post for six months because the AP trade was such a smashing success... even though he did next to nothing for us.

Only comment I remember was as follows, "people where so brutal towards their opinion on Peterson here... they should not even comment with all the crow stuffed in their mouth". That was concerning eating crow, and at that time the question asked where valid and I addressed that game accordingly compared how many said he would not do anything. I do not remember a six month ban, though I hope Bodha's ban is at least six lol

 

[NJCardFan]

Levi Brown made two pro-bowls.

Only because the stadium needed extra turnstiles which is what he excelled at.

 

[cardpa]

I will make this comparison on Peterson. He's like a goalkeeper in soccer. Last line of defense, makes great plays, can be a difference maker in a game. I am equating a CB to a GK. My comparison is this, Peterson is like a great GK, except this GK doesn't care much for diving to stop shots so his effort there is hardly pedestrian. He does it but not with the same effort as stopping shots that are in the air. He has the ability to be great at it, but doesn't give it the effort it needs. That's Peterson. He could be a great tackler and punt returner, but doesn't relish doing these things so he gives a half hearted effort in these areas. This is why people complain about him. He could be the total package but doesn't have the interest in being that. He is satisfied being a good cover corner and nothing more.

 

[DVontel]

No one is going to remember a CB for his tackling skills. People talk about Deion & Revis for their coverage skills. That’s what you’ll be remembered for as a CB.

If only we had Josh Norman, who got injured for 4-5 weeks due to the way he tackled & it cost the Redskins’ defense in a major way & he played horrible once he came back.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Tom Brady is slow when on the running out of the pocket.

Jerry Rice was not that good of a blocker.

Deon Sanders was soft as a nerf ball.

Reggie White's 40 time is unacceptable.

Mike Singletary's coverage skills were woeful.

Ozzie Newsome cannot block.

 

[DutchmanAZ]

unless maybe they are fond of a large puss?

Lmao!!! The best post in this thread.
Peterson is a great cover man. But he can improve in his tackling or punt returns. He's soft in these areas. - that's all I'm saying.

 

[Russ Smith]

Maybe, but by reading the other posts you can see we are not all hating, just giving our opinions and expectations. Thread titles are like newspaper headlines, just there to get your attention and then the facts come later.

I never said everyone was hating on him I just said I think it's odd that it comes up essentially every week, just like it used to with CC.

I don't think he's a great tackler, I don't think he's a "puss" either, if he was, he wouldn't be in the NFL.

I also think if he played the way Mitch and others seem to want him to play, he wouldn't have gone 7 full NFL seasons without missing a single game.

I already used the Dykstra example last week so this week I'll use another one to make a point. Baseball fans for years lauded Cal Ripken Jr for his consecutive games streak, iron man, tough guy, role model etc. And then people like Bill James came along and pointed out that by insisting on playing every game to try and catch Gehrig's record, he was actually hurting the team and being selfish, and had the stats to back it up, that showed his numbers fell off precipitously in the 2nd half virtually every year after a certain point because he got tired. But there's this sports mentality that says players have to be "tough" and he was proving how tough he was and fans ate it up.

I agree with others it's possible for him to be both a great cover corner, and soft against the run.

I also see some stuff on here that puzzles me. When we played SF people complained he got caught by Goodwin, who might be the single fastest player in the NFL(track star). Yesterday the complaint was he didn't catch the KO return from behind even though at the point the guy broke containment Peterson was past him having run full speed 45 yards and then had to turn around and try to catch a guy with a head start who was going full speed. If you watch the replay at the point where Bethel has the best shot at him and doesn't get him and Lockett goes through the hole and breaks free, PP actually tries to slam on the brakes, semi slips, and then turns and starts giving chase. He's about 5 yards behind Lockett, but Lockett is going full speed and PP is just turned and starting to after him. If you google it, Lockett ran a 4.4 40 at the combine 2 years ago. So you take a guy that fast at full speed with a 5 yard headstart on a guy who's turning around to chase him I don't think it's surprising PP didn't catch him.

I don't know if it was him running out of bounds during the chase that prompted the original post or what I don't even know if that was the play that prompted it but it just seems almost every week now we have a thread about PP. You see it in the game threads too a guy will catch a pass against PP and immediately we're told how overrated PP is. It's like people expect perfection from him.

 

[Russ Smith]

Sorry, PP is a great cover guy, but he does not give his all. He is a one trick pony, a very good one, HOF worthy, but no, he does not give his all. I see it way too often. BTW Jetstream, I enjoy reading your posts.

I still haven't seen the answer was it the Lockett KOR that prompted this post?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

This is where I will go with Peterson. He is a future Hall of Famer, and one of, if not, the best cornerback in the game today.

If I get to choose any player, from any point in time in the NFL, is he on my all-time great team ?

Nope. My two cornerbacks would be Charles Woodson, and Rod Woodson.

That being said.......we are talking ALL TIME. Reality is, the Cardinals, in year 2017, have one of, if not the best cornerback of his generation.

Any poster has, every right to call him out for whatever. I find it lazy, since most of the complaints are about a play or two about a player that could not be replaced even if the team tried to.

Heck, you look up salaries for cornerbacks and see the other players in his pay scale ? I could only imagine how upset some Cardinals fans would be to put those players out on the field instead of Peterson, and pay those players for less production.

Then again people complain about coaches that win, backup QBs that win, and the harp music in heaven.

It what it is.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I still haven't seen the answer was it the Lockett KOR that prompted this post?

I think it was the play that he didn't walk on water, that or the kickoff. If you look hard enough, all players suck.

 

[Cheesebeef]

My beef was with him on punt returns a couple times. One where he ran past it letting it bounce at the 15 where he had solid coverage and another where he had room to run, caught it in the middle of the field and literally just started running almost immediately to the sideline.

If he doesn’t want to return punts, he should just put his foot down with the coaches and say so.

 

[Russ Smith]

My beef was with him on punt returns a couple times. One where he ran past it letting it bounce at the 15 where he had solid coverage and another where he had room to run, caught it in the middle of the field and literally just started running almost immediately to the sideline.

If he doesn’t want to return punts, he should just put his foot down with the coaches and say so.

Agreed I've been saying that for 3 years now. I think they have him back there because he's sure handed(except the playoff game against Carolina) but he hasn't come close to breaking one in years now.

Based on how often he still returns punts I assume he's been told to get down or get out of bounds but we need to find a real punt returner next year.

 

[Chopper0080]

If Peterson wants to be the greatest of all time, he would need to be more physical in the run game while maintaining his health in doing so.

As is, he is going to be a Hall of Fame CB, he is one of the best CBs in the NFL, and is a game changer on defense. Is he a physical for in the run game, no. And like Barry Sanders negative runs, I really don't care.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Agreed I've been saying that for 3 years now. I think they have him back there because he's sure handed(except the playoff game against Carolina) but he hasn't come close to breaking one in years now.

Based on how often he still returns punts I assume he's been told to get down or get out of bounds but we need to find a real punt returner next year.

This all day. Time for someone else to return punts, with good hands

 

[MrYeahBut]

Peterson returning punts is more a failure of the GM/coaching staff to get someone else to do it, imo.

btw, I think you have to have a death wish to return punts anyway.

 

[iLLmatiC]

This all day. Time for someone else to return punts, with good hands

TJ Logan.

 

[pmacLean]

PP is a puss... just watch the friggin games...
He is also, probably, the greatest man-up cover corner to ever play the game... fine.. so why are we so often going into zone ? PP SUCKS at zone... all our DBs suck at zone...

we need another hot man-up db to play opposite him (and stay in man up) or we need to trade his ass for a # 1 pick and get 2 guys who can actually play zone (because he can't) but we definitely need to get rid of bettcher (sic... I did it for you) because he has no clue either way....

and as a punt returner... hey PP, let me do that for you, at 65 I could do a better job

 

[Jetstream Green]

There is something about Peterson which is not stressed enough, he is diabetic. Now he is not type one, but a guy I run with is type one and he once hurt his foot and he had to shut it down for a while because diabetes affects the circulation and the doctor emphasis what one could call minor for him could mean losing the foot or death. My mother is a type two diabetic like Peterson, which is not as severe but it does seem to make you more accessible to injury or rather have a more difficult time healing if you do not have everything in check. I have no idea if being diabetic is a reason Peterson is even now less physical than he once was. Before being diagnosis as diabetic, he was more active tackling but now he plays with caution. Being a type two can also eventually become type one I believe if you do not watch yourself. The most obvious act Peterson has done which shows his caution, nobody has brought up. I remember on a blitz or tackle in the backfield Peterson came up while the guy was being corralled, it turned into a group tackle and Peterson started back peddling as if hot lava was in front of him. Maybe because his condition of being diabetic dictates his physicality. Regardless of Peterson, just curious if anyone here is a type two diabetic who played college ball, how did it affect you

 

[oaken1]

There is something about Peterson which is not stressed enough, he is diabetic. Now he is not type one, but a guy I run with is type one and he once hurt his foot and he had to shut it down for a while because diabetes affects the circulation and the doctor emphasis what one could call minor for him could mean losing the foot or death. My mother is a type two diabetic like Peterson, which is not as severe but it does seem to make you more accessible to injury or rather have a more difficult time healing if you do not have everything in check. I have no idea if being diabetic is a reason Peterson is even now less physical than he once was. Before being diagnosis as diabetic, he was more active tackling but now he plays with caution. Being a type two can also eventually become type one I believe if you do not watch yourself. The most obvious act Peterson has done which shows his caution, nobody has brought up. I remember on a blitz or tackle in the backfield Peterson came up while the guy was being corralled, it turned into a group tackle and Peterson started back peddling as if hot lava was in front of him. Maybe because his condition of being diabetic dictates his physicality. Regardless of Peterson, just curious if anyone here is a type two diabetic who played college ball, how did it affect you

I think that was just PP21 avoiding any chance of injury really.... dudes who spend too much time in the tub dont get paid when contract time comes around. press man corners rely on speed,...leg injuries reduce speed

My step dad was diabetic,...lost both feet and half a hand,.. have three diabetic sisters, one has lost a leg due to diabetes..

at his age and physical condition these types of things shouldnt be an issue for PP so long as he maintains a healthy diet and weight

My cousin Mandy has diabetes since she was 3 and she has had a decent life with plenty of athletics,..softball and vollyball... she does bruise easily but the bruising does not result in infections... she is 40 now and can still go do anything she chooses as long as she maintains her diet... ketoacidosis is the biggest threat

poor circulation in the extremities can lead to poor balance and loss of strength but that aint going to be an issue for a guy as active as PP