Post Packers Overreaction Thread 2024

[Cheesebeef]

Name the people who say this?

Here’s another. Unless you think top 10 players at their positions are “replacement level”

CONNER Froholdt, and Hernandez are replacement level players.

Johnson is young and it's his first year at LT. He's doing decent but not much above average.

MHJ is a rookie playing his 4th game

Mcbride is above average at his position but obviously not out there today

 

[Cheesebeef]

I’m genuinely curious what has the defense averaged in PPG/Yards within the past 10 years

No way it hasn’t been bottom 12 in the league.

I think maybe 2021 squeaked into the top 20 after their strong 7-0 start. And 2015 definitely was. But that’s probably about it.

 

[602 Native]

Here’s another. Unless you think top 10 players at their positions are “replacement level”

@602 Native here’s one for starters.

JC is top 10 but absolutely needs a replacement due to his age as a RB.

 

[HairZach]

I think the Packers are making the Superbowl this year so I did expect to lose this, I did not expect us to completely meltdown with the 3 straight fumbles to end the game. Luckily I switched games after the 1st of those fumbles.

 

[kerouac9]

Wr's can't get open fast enough for a quick hitting short drop passing attack to work, Murray and receivers(Marv) not on the same page.

I believe it’s also a rhythm thing with Kyler. You watch Danny Dimes right now and he’s dropping back and firing it.

You never see that kind of play from Kyler.

 

[602 Native]

I believe it’s also a rhythm thing with Kyler. You watch Danny Dimes right now and he’s dropping back and firing it.

You never see that kind of play from Kyler.

Slayton is better than any wr on our roster.

He has speed

Jones would be a disaster on this roster at QB

 

[Russ Smith]

I believe it’s also a rhythm thing with Kyler. You watch Danny Dimes right now and he’s dropping back and firing it.

You never see that kind of play from Kyler.

Sure but my point was in 2021 he was in the top 10 at it, now he's 30th. I don't think Kyler has regressed that badly, I just think we had guys who got open quickly in 2021.

I keep saying it I think the short drops are because they don't think we can pass protect but it puts Kyler closer to the LOS which at his height is a disadvantage, and it requires the WR's to get open.

 

[slanidrac16]

I believe it’s also a rhythm thing with Kyler. You watch Danny Dimes right now and he’s dropping back and firing it.

You never see that kind of play from Kyler.

Absolutely. Kyler appears to play with his hair on fire.
I watched Caleb Williams throw tds today like it was practice. He appeared calm and scanned the field. He was also sacked a couple of times in the first couple of drives.
Watch Kyler in practice and he’s lights out. However in a game it’s almost like the Wr is coming out of a tunnel and the throw has to be anticipated.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Wilson and Dortch would definitely be top-4 pass catching options on more than 10% of teams. There’s some putrid units out there.

There’s a screaming endorsement.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

That was a blast. Still blasting. Highly recommended. Yeah the game sucked but whatever. We have cap space, I have my 37th Miller Lite, all is well.

CAP SPACE!!!!!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Wilson would start for half the teams in the NFL or more.

Man I don’t know about that statement.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Top 2 unlikely. Top 3 likey. That was my exact thought

I guess if you expand to 3, yeah he might be in top 78 receivers in the league. But I don’t think that’s saying much.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I guess if you expand to 3, yeah he might be in top 78 receivers in the league. But I don’t think that’s saying much.

It was what he was saying and I am fine with it. He is miscast as a #2 and that is not his fault.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It was what he was saying and I am fine with it. He is miscast as a #2 and that is not his fault.

Agree. It’s a monti issue.

 

[kerouac9]

Man I don’t know about that statement.

It’d probably be close.

Buffalo
Miami (over Braxton Berrios)
New England
NY Jets (over Lazard)
Baltimore (over Agolor LOLOLOL)
Cincy (over Iosavas)
Pittsburgh
Indy
Tennessee
Denver
KC
LA Chargers
Washington
Atlanta
New Orleans
Arizona

Bolded teams he’d start in 2WR sets.

 

[kerouac9]

It was what he was saying and I am fine with it. He is miscast as a #2 and that is not his fault.

He should be a third option in this offense and is good in that role.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

He should be a third option in this offense and is good in that role.

Yeah I dont believe our problems lie at his feet.

 

[602 Native]

Absolutely. Kyler appears to play with his hair on fire.
I watched Caleb Williams throw tds today like it was practice. He appeared calm and scanned the field. He was also sacked a couple of times in the first couple of drives.
Watch Kyler in practice and he’s lights out. However in a game it’s almost like the Wr is coming out of a tunnel and the throw has to be anticipated.

Please give me Allen, Moore, Odunze, Swift, and Cmet on this team with that oline.

It’s also the freaking Jags

 

[Goodyear Card]

He objectively is a top 10 running back right now.
He's 7th in the league in rushing yards.
He has the 2nd most broken tackles in the league, only behind Derrick Henry.
Conner is 3rd in the league in yards after contact.
Conner is 2nd in the league in rushes that go at least 10 yards
Conner is 7th in the league in rushes that go at least 20 yards.

We will see if he can sustain it, he did get injured today, but right now he is producing like a top 10 running back. If you're not impressed with Conner go watch some other teams play, the position group is a wasteland, especially with guys like Bijan and Breece Hall performing poorly.

Also, Conner was the 6th best running back in the league in 2023 in terms of yards, lead the league in rushes that go at least 20 yards and had the 3rd most broken tackles. Last year he proved he is definitely capable of sustaining top 10 play.

He is 22nd in YPA.

NFL Football Player Stats & Stats Leaders - Yards Per Rush Attempt

Free NFL football player stats and stats leaders in simple, easy to read tables. This page tracks yards per rush attempt statistics.

www.teamrankings.com

 

[slanidrac16]

Please give me Allen, Moore, Odunze, Swift, and Cmet on this team with that oline.

It’s also the freaking Jags

He’s a rookie in his 6th game and is showing poise in the pocket , under pressure, reading his options and delivering the ball on time from the pocket.
Everytime we lose it is brought up that Kyler needs to run more. He needs to utilize his legs. Why? Most of Kyler’s success has come from broken plays. He’s just not as good from the pocket which reduces his efficiency.

Let me add, I’m not laying todays lost at Kyler’s feet. When you commit Three turnovers and 11(?) penalties you are probably going to lose. But it doesn’t change my opinion on Kyler’s limitations.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

He’s a rookie in his 6th game and is showing poise in the pocket , under pressure, reading his options and delivering the ball on time from the pocket.
Everytime we lose it is brought up that Kyler needs to run more. He needs to utilize his legs. Why? Most of Kyler’s success has come from broken plays. He’s just not as good from the pocket which reduces his efficiency.

I believe Kyler is fantastic in the pocket when he has time and sets and throws. That belief is backed by the stats.

Where he sucks is when he scrambles out and tries to throw. Designed rollouts are also fantastic

 

[602 Native]

He’s a rookie in his 6th game and is showing poise in the pocket , under pressure, reading his options and delivering the ball on time from the pocket.
Everytime we lose it is brought up that Kyler needs to run more. He needs to utilize his legs. Why? Most of Kyler’s success has come from broken plays. He’s just not as good from the pocket which reduces his efficiency.

Let me add, I’m not laying todays lost at Kyler’s feet. When you commit Three turnovers and 11(?) penalties you are probably going to lose. But it doesn’t change my opinion on Kyler’s limitations.

You give k1 a line and time and he is one of the best in the league in the pocket.

 

[HairZach]

He is 22nd in YPA.

NFL Football Player Stats & Stats Leaders - Yards Per Rush Attempt

Free NFL football player stats and stats leaders in simple, easy to read tables. This page tracks yards per rush attempt statistics.

www.teamrankings.com

I'm not the biggest fan of that stat, especially early in the season. It tends to be dominated by low volume rushers on a time share. I don't see the most efficient guys as being the best if they don't have the yards to back it up. Those guy's efficiency usually tanks whenever their workload is forced to increase.

Conner's YPA last year was 5.0, which was tied for 6th best of any running back. Right now he's sitting at 4.6, so it is down. Considering the rushing defenses we face late in our schedule soften up I think Conner's ypa will climb back up to top 10 range before the end of the season. We will see how he finishes. Again, he was firm top 10 in pretty much everything last year, and this year so far he's still top 10 in the main production stats.

 

[vince56]

Where he sucks is when he scrambles out and tries to throw.

I'm not sure I agree 100% and I'd need to see the stats to back that up. Many of his best throws ever were on the run. The Hail Murray and the big pass to Marv against LA a few weeks ago instantly come to mind.

What I do see both with my eyes and statistically is that his deep ball is gone right now, and IDK why. He's not even trying to throw deep, and the 1-2 times a game he does it's an overthrow like the one today.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I'm not sure I agree 100% and I'd need to see the stats to back that up. Many of his best throws ever were on the run. The Hail Murray and the big pass to Marv against LA a few weeks ago instantly come to mind.

What I do see both with my eyes and statistically is that his deep ball is gone right now, and IDK why. He's not even trying to throw deep, and the 1-2 times a game he does it's an overthrow like the one today.

He's the most accurate QB in the league in the pocket with over 3 seconds to throw