Real GM Rumor: Amare to GS, Done Deal!?

[AsUdUdE]

So according to multiple reports, this deal hinges on Stats willingness to sign an extention..

I don't see that happending, Stat wants to go to a big market or Florida... GS doesn't seem to fit is want, other than playing style..

There is not a more hopeless feeling for me right now, then putting the life of this deal on STAT's shoulders.. I have a sneaking suspician this deal is not going to go through....

UGH....

 

[carey]

Even if this deal goes down, I still think we need to run at Chandler.

Explain why please.

Why pay a guy 13 million for 9pt&9rb when you'll have a guy on the roster doing the exact same thing for 9 million but with 12pt&11rb and more blocks. Also, Beans is younger and less injury prone. You can't play Beans & Chandler together. Neither have a jump shot.

Better to turn Wallace into one of the available power forwards (if there's any available).

 

[slinslin]

If the deal goes down we are best served keeping Wallace and trading him at the deadline for someone how wants an expiring contract and hold them hostage for some picks and young talent.

At least you know Wallace is a hard working veteran player, who should be a good presence for some time on a young team.

Also trade JRich and Nash for sth, maybe expiring, for sth to get our pick back from OKC.

Biedrins/Lopez/Wright
Wright/Wallace/Amundson
Clark/Dudley
Barbosa/Belinelli
Curry/Dragic

We will suck, but we have a young team and Curry+Barbosa can each put up better than 20ppg. Maybe throw in Jerryd Bayless or whatever players we could get for Nash and JRich.

Also we dont know yet what will be done with Pavlovic.

 

[devilalum]

So according to multiple reports, this deal hinges on Stats willingness to sign an extention..

I don't see that happending, Stat wants to go to a big market or Florida... GS doesn't seem to fit is want, other than playing style..

There is not a more hopeless feeling for me right now, then putting the life of this deal on STAT's shoulders.. I am a sneaking suspician this deal is not going to go through....

UGH....

GS can give him a lot more money that he can get as an unrestricted free agent.

The Amare doesn't get a deal done then he has only himself to blame.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

So according to multiple reports, this deal hinges on Stats willingness to sign an extention..

I don't see that happending, Stat wants to go to a big market or Florida... GS doesn't seem to fit is want, other than playing style..

There is not a more hopeless feeling for me right now, then putting the life of this deal on STAT's shoulders.. I have a sneaking suspician this deal is not going to go through....

UGH....

Marion & KG part 2.

 

[AsUdUdE]

BTW.. Stve Kerr will be on Colin Cowherd show at 10:10 this morning on ESPN radio for those of you who want to listen....

 

[Covert Rain]

Explain why please.

Why pay a guy 13 million for 9pt&9rb when you'll have a guy on the roster doing the exact same thing for 9 million but with 12pt&11rb and more blocks. Also, Beans is younger and less injury prone. You can't play Beans & Chandler together. Neither have a jump shot.

Better to turn Wallace into one of the available power forwards (if there's any available).

Because Biedrins plays no defense and Lopez sucks. I would use Biedrins as trade bait for more pieces.

 

[carey]

Because Biedrins plays no defense and Lopez sucks. I would use Biedrins as trade bait for more pieces.

Dude, neither does Chandler. Watch a Hornets game sometime.

 

[Covert Rain]

Dude, neither does Chandler. Watch a Hornets game sometime.

I have. Chandler is a very good defender (when healthy). His stats at that position (opposing Center Points) are some of the best in the NBA.

 

[Sundance]

Care to explain why not?
We get rid of Nash, get a competent point guard for a year, and get some kind of a low post threat for 2 years, at around $6 Mil each. Most importantly we get our first rounder back.

So you say Nash probably doesn't even want to play in Phoenix, but he wants to play in OKC, an upstart and one of the crappiest teams in the league? The Suns' 2X MVP and you're going to trade him to OKC... pretty cold. I'd imagine if they were trading he him, he'd have some degree of say in the matter, and he wouldn't be going to OKC.

And if they are shopping Nash, I guess that contradicts the meme that he's now GM/Coach/star, telling Kerr and Sarver to jump and how high, forcing them to get rid of Shaq and Amare at his behest, huh?

 

[SirStefan32]

Explain why please.

Why pay a guy 13 million for 9pt&9rb when you'll have a guy on the roster doing the exact same thing for 9 million but with 12pt&11rb and more blocks. Also, Beans is younger and less injury prone. You can't play Beans & Chandler together. Neither have a jump shot.

Better to turn Wallace into one of the available power forwards (if there's any available).

Exactly. I already tried explaining how those two can not play together and are incredibly redundant, but some people seem to think that Chandler is actually some kind of a star.

I think they should go after Brand or even Camby.
Brand had some injuries recently, but hell, Shaq was supposed to be done before he came here, and he had the best season he's had in years.
His contract is similar to Stoudemire's current contract, but has 4 years left.
If Suns training staff checks him out and signs off on it, he would be a perfect fit. He is a great low post player who can defend and who rebounds like crazy.
Camby is a decent option too as he can at least hit some jumpers and can run the floor with the best of them. Additionally, he is still one of the best defensive players in the league, and only has one year left on his contract at less than $8 mil, if I remember correctly.
Buying Wallace out and then signing Drew Gooden might be an option as well.
He is no Brand or Camby, but he has a nice hook shot and could be the low post scoring threat that Phoenix is going to need, and he might only cost a portion of the mid level exception. He is not much better than Stoudemire on defense though.
Another option is using Nash to get a power forward who can score in the low post.

 

[SirStefan32]

If the deal goes down we are best served keeping Wallace and trading him at the deadline for someone how wants an expiring contract and hold them hostage for some picks and young talent.

At least you know Wallace is a hard working veteran player, who should be a good presence for some time on a young team.

Also trade JRich and Nash for sth, maybe expiring, for sth to get our pick back from OKC.

Biedrins/Lopez/Wright
Wright/Wallace/Amundson
Clark/Dudley
Barbosa/Belinelli
Curry/Dragic

We will suck, but we have a young team and Curry+Barbosa can each put up better than 20ppg. Maybe throw in Jerryd Bayless or whatever players we could get for Nash and JRich.

Also we dont know yet what will be done with Pavlovic.

Pavlovic is gone.

 

[Covert Rain]

Exactly. I already tried explaining how those two can not play together and are incredibly redundant, but some people seem to think that Chandler is actually some kind of a star.

That's why you trade Beidrins. I don't think anybody has suggested playing them together. Also, I don't think it's that Chandler is a star. He is a good defender and better yet, he is probably the most available considering our salary situation.

It would be great to go and get Camby but I don't think the Suns can swing a deal. However, with Chandler, the Hornets have made it known he is available and they are willing to trade. This team doesn't need more scoring PF either. They needs some front court guys to defend. If get Wright in the deal I bet he becomes the starting PF. That means you need to get defense at the Center position.

 

[SirStefan32]

So you say Nash probably doesn't even want to play in Phoenix, but he wants to play in OKC, an upstart and one of the crappiest teams in the league? The Suns' 2X MVP and you're going to trade him to OKC... pretty cold. I'd imagine if they were trading he him, he'd have some degree of say in the matter, and he wouldn't be going to OKC.

And if they are shopping Nash, I guess that contradicts the meme that he's now GM/Coach/star, telling Kerr and Sarver to jump and how high, forcing them to get rid of Shaq and Amare at his behest, huh?

First of all, I appreciate what Nash has done for this team and wish him all the best in the future. He is a great guy and it was fun watching the team under his command. Having said that, I don't give a crap what he wants. I am sending him to any team that will give me something valuable in return. You don't build around a 36 year old point guard who couldn't guard a chair.

As far as trading Nash contradicting the whole thing about him telling Kerr and sarver what to do- your guess is as good as mine as we simply don't know. I can not imagine Nash wanting Amare to be traded and wanting to willingly stay on a rebuilding team. I also don't see Kerr and Sarver giving him a raise.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Really?

Of course not.

 

[SirStefan32]

That's why you trade Beidrins. I don't think anybody has suggested playing them together. Also, I don't think it's that Chandler is a star. He is a good defender and better yet, he is probably the most available considering our salary situation.

It would be great to go and get Camby but I don't think the Suns can swing a deal. However, with Chandler, the Hornets have made it known he is available and they are willing to trade. This team doesn't need more scoring PF either. They needs some front court guys to defend. If get Wright in the deal I bet he becomes the starting PF. That means you need to get defense at the Center position.

First off, trading for Chandler and then trading Biedrins could work. I am not sure that you can get more for Biedrins than you can for a $14 mil expiring contract that can be bought out. I also think that you can get more for Wallace than Tyson Chandler. I am not sure who is going to give you a scoring power forward for Biedrins. Biedrins for Diaw is interesting, but brown wouldn't do it because he already has a big man with no offense.

Chandler is having trouble staying healthy. I don't care how good he is on defense, he's not gonna be able to play any defense if he is hurt. If we are going to take a chance with a player who has a history of being hurt, then let's get Brand who at least has some real skill on both ends of the floor.

I don't see why they couldn't get Camby. Clippers just drafted a power forward with the number one pick in the draft, and they already have Randolph and the Caveman. Clippers are also known for being notoriously cheap.

 

[AnotherHOMER]

This better be all ********.

If Kerr trades Amare, I will be on the FIRE KERR/SARVER SELL bandwagon. That duo at that point would have officially ruined my Suns.

 

[jlove]

Ok, for me if this rumored deal with GSW goes through, then what do we do to make the team better still? Trade Wallace to NOH for Chandler? Trade Wallace to LAC for Camby? J-Rich to Philly for Dalembert? Try and turn Biedrins for something? I dont like trying to trade Wallace to Sixers for Brand (because of his deal). Nash dealt? A couple options I've thought about are:

Wallace to NYK for Lee (S&T), and James (Insurance covered 80%)?
NY Times is saying that NYK most likely will let Nate Robinson and Lee walk or do S&T with the aquisitions of Hill and the PG they picked with the Lakers 1st round pick. This would give the Suns another rebounder that worked really well in the uptempo game and would look good next to Biedrins.

Wallace to Orlando for Turkoglu (S&T)? Orlando was looking like they were gonna let Turkoglu go anyways due to the money he'd want in return. He's a go-to late game changer. That's another reason they went after and got Carter. If Orlando is just gonna let him go, why not get nothing for salary relief? Turkoglu would be our new SF and threat from everywhere.

If the Amare deal goes through, then we are definitely in rebuild mode. What about a Nash to NYK and D'Antoni again? Rumors have been abundant about that as well. Nash for Chandler, J. Hill and James (80% insurance covered)? I kinda have a feeling that a Nash to NYK was on the table in the first place with it contingent on Hill being available.

New look Suns if Nash deal and Amare deal go through:

Barbosa/Curry/Dragic
J-Rich/Bellinelli or Azibuike
Chandler/Dudley/Tucker/Griffin
J. Hill/Wright/Amundson
Biedrins/Fropez

+ whatever we can get for Wallace

The rumored GSW deal was contingent on Curry or Hill being available. This way the Suns get both of them.

 

[TBaslim]

How about Nash to OKC for Watson, Collison, and a first rounder?

One of the the worst Nash trades I have ever seen. Seriously...I mean that as a compliment.

 

[jagu]

I hope the Suns get David Lee, he would be a perfect replacement for Amare.

 

[SirStefan32]

I am cool with Nash to NY as long as we get Hill, a first rounder, AND Chandler. Not really sure about Lee. Interesting player, for sure, but he's gonna demand more money than he is worth.

 

[TBaslim]

Unless Steve absolutely wants out now, it would be crazy for the Suns to trade him this summer unless they get some serious talent or a sure lottery 2010 draft pick back.

He's under contract next year, and if they trade Amare, they have no marketable star on the team besides LB and JRich (who isn't a big name in town).

And they don't have their first round pick next year.

The proposed Suns team post-Amare trade with Nash and another good trade or two? Vying for a playoff spot and bringing in the fans next year with run n gun.

Proposed non Amare Suns team without Nash? Lottery team for sure out west. Iffy on the gate revenue for a losing team. Dragic is not remotely ready, Curry will need a few years to be a starter and LB cannot play the full time point for SSOL. That team would be really young and really bad due to lack of veteran leadership to make the system work.

Again, if he's demanding to leave right now? Ok, gotta do something. But otherwise, at least wait until the trade deadline or sign and trade him next year if he has not agreed to an extension.

Also, neither Toronto or NY will be contenders next year, so why would he want out? Only if he is done with the Suns mgmt, I guess.

The NY option for Nash is for 2010/2011 when the Knicks sign some great veteran free agents to make a run.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Sounds to me like the deal goes through one way or the other. If Amare agrees to an extension, Curry is included, if he does not, Curry is not.

Meanwhile, Nelson is telling Amare under he breath. "Don't sign yet. We'll get it done later."

Kerr and Sarver always have disappointing surprises.

Kerr would do well to back out all together and see what Minnesota or some other team wants.

 

[SirStefan32]

No Curry, no deal. That's all.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Sounds to me like the deal goes through one way or the other. If Amare agrees to an extension, Curry is included, if he does not, Curry is not.

Meanwhile, Nelson is telling Amare under he breath. "Don't sign yet. We'll get it done later."

Kerr and Sarver always have disappointing surprises.

Kerr would do well to back out all together and see what Minnesota or some other team wants.

No Curry, no deal.