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Real GM Rumor: Amare to GS, Done Deal!?
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TucsonDevil
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I can't believe the Suns FO is weak enough to allow that trade to go through without the #7 pick. Incredible. Kerr and Sarver are the biggest punks in the NBA, and everyone knows it.
NO Curry, NO Deal! We should make this a chant for the next 5 days.
NO Curry, NO Deal! We should make this a chant for the next 5 days.
TucsonDevil
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If 'into their system' you mean perimeter focus and no defense, you are absolutely right.
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When was the last 'big man' the Warriors had? Manute Bol?
SirStefan32
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Latest update from Coro:
When Minnesota picked Jonny Flynn with the sixth pick Thursday night, the Suns basketball operations office erupted in elation audible from a floor below. They had their guy ... or at least they thought they did and still believe they do.
The Suns had an agreement in principle with Golden State about a deal that would send Amare Stoudemire to the Warriors for Andris Biedrins, Brandan Wright, Marco Belinelli and the No. 7 pick. It was the Suns' understanding that the Warriors were drafting Curry for them.
But with Biedrins' base-year compensation status, a deal can't be completed immediately because his cap number is lower than his actual $9 million salary until July. Phoenix was expecting to have to wait about two weeks (until July 8) for the deal to be completed.
That is a lot of time, especially when there already is a lot of talk out of Golden State about the Warriors keeping Curry. That about-face would apparently would nix the deal for Phoenix. Even today, there is still a belief in Phoenix that the deal will get pushed through under the initial agreement but you have to wonder if Golden State was shocked that Curry was available and is having a change of heart. There was nothing binding about the agreement.
"I was concerned at one time that we might not be able to get him," Golden State General Manager Larry Riley told reporters in Oakland. "I thought he might go ahead of us but as the draft turned out, it came to our favor."
He also added that Curry will "definitely be a contributor to our team as a rookie" but also was asked about reports that Curry was part of a trade. He said, "I'm operating as though Stephen Curry is a Golden State Warrior. We're in contact with a lot of teams and have been throughout this draft. We've been extremely busy and at this stage I'll have no comment on potential trades or anything that involves movement in the future. I will tell you that we would seek to improve our ballclub throughout this summer by whatever means." That's not exactly a guarantee that Curry is staying.
The Warriors, overloaded at guard, have wanted Stoudemire for a while to fill their desire for a versatile power forward. Stoudemire assumably would like to be a team's focal point and also would want a contract extension, something the Suns were not prepared to give him. Stoudemire could walk in a year so the Suns felt like this was the best deal they could get with four players coming back in it, including a point guard in Curry who they feel has Steve Nash qualities as a playmaker and shooter.
Stoudemire's ability to walk in a year and his health history (knees, eye) would be issues that Golden State would seem to need addressed, if they have not been already.
The deal would also shave more money off the Suns' payroll and could put them under the luxury tax threshold. But if such a deal occurs, where do the Suns' points in the paint come? The starting big men would probably be Biedrins, who is scores off easy stuff, and Wright, a power forward who scores off a mid-range game. But the Suns would play as fast as ever.
Wright is important in the deal because the Suns would have a void in the frontcourt and need a shooting power forward for their system. They would have to seek another big man who can score in free agency.
Curry said the right things about wanting to be a Warrior but a source in the know said going to the Warriors was his worst-case scenario. The possibility "terrified" the Curry contingent and that would be made clear to the Warriors.
On other fronts, it does not appear that a Ben Wallace-for-Tyson Chandler deal will come off. The Suns can save millions by working out a buyout with Wallace while acquiring Chandler would add another year of salary. Acquiring Biedrins would also lessen the chances. He is the type of center who rotates well on help defense, can cover a pick-and-roll and can show on screens and recover with his mobility and length.
http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/PaulCoro/56339
The rest just talks about Griffin.
When Minnesota picked Jonny Flynn with the sixth pick Thursday night, the Suns basketball operations office erupted in elation audible from a floor below. They had their guy ... or at least they thought they did and still believe they do.
The Suns had an agreement in principle with Golden State about a deal that would send Amare Stoudemire to the Warriors for Andris Biedrins, Brandan Wright, Marco Belinelli and the No. 7 pick. It was the Suns' understanding that the Warriors were drafting Curry for them.
But with Biedrins' base-year compensation status, a deal can't be completed immediately because his cap number is lower than his actual $9 million salary until July. Phoenix was expecting to have to wait about two weeks (until July 8) for the deal to be completed.
That is a lot of time, especially when there already is a lot of talk out of Golden State about the Warriors keeping Curry. That about-face would apparently would nix the deal for Phoenix. Even today, there is still a belief in Phoenix that the deal will get pushed through under the initial agreement but you have to wonder if Golden State was shocked that Curry was available and is having a change of heart. There was nothing binding about the agreement.
"I was concerned at one time that we might not be able to get him," Golden State General Manager Larry Riley told reporters in Oakland. "I thought he might go ahead of us but as the draft turned out, it came to our favor."
He also added that Curry will "definitely be a contributor to our team as a rookie" but also was asked about reports that Curry was part of a trade. He said, "I'm operating as though Stephen Curry is a Golden State Warrior. We're in contact with a lot of teams and have been throughout this draft. We've been extremely busy and at this stage I'll have no comment on potential trades or anything that involves movement in the future. I will tell you that we would seek to improve our ballclub throughout this summer by whatever means." That's not exactly a guarantee that Curry is staying.
The Warriors, overloaded at guard, have wanted Stoudemire for a while to fill their desire for a versatile power forward. Stoudemire assumably would like to be a team's focal point and also would want a contract extension, something the Suns were not prepared to give him. Stoudemire could walk in a year so the Suns felt like this was the best deal they could get with four players coming back in it, including a point guard in Curry who they feel has Steve Nash qualities as a playmaker and shooter.
Stoudemire's ability to walk in a year and his health history (knees, eye) would be issues that Golden State would seem to need addressed, if they have not been already.
The deal would also shave more money off the Suns' payroll and could put them under the luxury tax threshold. But if such a deal occurs, where do the Suns' points in the paint come? The starting big men would probably be Biedrins, who is scores off easy stuff, and Wright, a power forward who scores off a mid-range game. But the Suns would play as fast as ever.
Wright is important in the deal because the Suns would have a void in the frontcourt and need a shooting power forward for their system. They would have to seek another big man who can score in free agency.
Curry said the right things about wanting to be a Warrior but a source in the know said going to the Warriors was his worst-case scenario. The possibility "terrified" the Curry contingent and that would be made clear to the Warriors.
On other fronts, it does not appear that a Ben Wallace-for-Tyson Chandler deal will come off. The Suns can save millions by working out a buyout with Wallace while acquiring Chandler would add another year of salary. Acquiring Biedrins would also lessen the chances. He is the type of center who rotates well on help defense, can cover a pick-and-roll and can show on screens and recover with his mobility and length.
http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/PaulCoro/56339
The rest just talks about Griffin.
Joe Smith, Chris Webber, Erick Dampier, Adonal Foyle?
They are a run and gun offense, much like the "old" Suns. Curry has tremendous court vision and passing abilities. So yes, he would fit in quite well
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I thought he was talking about Golden State???
AND SO AM I! Hence "THEY"
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Listening to Chris Brussard on ESPN it actually sounds like the Suns were the team that changed the Dynamic of the deal. Brussard said a deal was in place to have Amare traded for Wright, Biedrins, and Bellinelli, but when Curry was available and the Warriors drafted him, the Suns started asking for Curry.
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I don't believe it. The Suns FO wouldn't have started cheering unless they already thought Curry was theirs.
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Based on what Coro and Bucher are saying, I don't believe it either. Bucher twittered already that GS is lying.
I think Brussard's sources are out of GS and are leaking to him to try to change the deal on the Suns or get them to offer up more.
EDIT: And the war room cheering thing too...that's a pretty sure sign. I think the last time there was a big war room hoop n holler was when Amare slipped to #9.
jlove
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According to IHG on REALGM (the one that broke the deal a couple days before anyone said anything about it) the deal is a done deal, with Curry involved, no Barbosa. Amare has signed a 3 year extension.
Someone also said that Ric Boucher said it's a done deal too, on twitter, but don't know for sure. Don't have twitter. and can't check it from work anyways.
Someone also said that Ric Boucher said it's a done deal too, on twitter, but don't know for sure. Don't have twitter. and can't check it from work anyways.
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Nope. The rumor was out prior to the draft and it included the #7 pick. It's why I paid attention to who was selected. I don't think GS thought Curry would be there and are now having second thoughts. It's their right, but you know.. hand him over already!
joshstmarie
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well im sure we had second thougths when iggy was on the board. a deals a deal.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gecuxYF3J8
Well here's one where Biedrins dunks on Amare lol. I'm all in for this deal. Amare=all talk and no D.
Well here's one where Biedrins dunks on Amare lol. I'm all in for this deal. Amare=all talk and no D.
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Big fan but I am a casual fan concerning all the roster and cap rules and implications. Say the trade goes through, after saving money by trading Amare, the assumed cutting of Pavlovic, Saving money by trading Shaq, Then add back in the contracts of Curry, Clark, and the 2nd rounder. What is the money situation look like with Wallace vs. paying him off. What I am getting at is, is the difference between the two a big difference and could we conceivably ask him to see what are med staff and trainers can do with him and try to get one more good year out of him?
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Good news. If we do acquire Biedrins, we should go after Kaman. The Clippers need to get rid of a big man, and Kaman would fit in well with our line up. Biedrins is athletic enough to slide over to PF, where he would be a significantly better defender, because he isn't outmuscled by bigger centers.
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Not positive on this one, but the word is that he can be bought out for far less than his salary this year (I believe 14 mil), and he mentioned in exit interviews that he is considering retirement.
If indeed the GS trade goes down, it's highly doubtful Wallace ever sees a moment as a Sun, even if healthy. He'd just take away minutes from the young guys we are trying to develop.
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